Jesus was an Illegal Immigrant

[St.PeteJim]

After running into this website on the internet, I had to do some reading.

Faithful Democrats (http://www.faithfuldemocrats.com/)

There is a 'blog' about Jesus being an illegal immigrant. Can't really say its a good arguement, but the jewel is a comment made from a rather skeptical website viewer (which upon further review appears to have been removed from when I originally viewed the site, but it went something like this):

"If you can find an illegal immigrant that was told by the Angel of God to cross the US/Mexico border, then I'm sure an exception could be made."

But who are they kidding? We all know Liberals are souless creatures doomed to a sorrowful life of suckling at the government's bitter tit.

[St.PeteJim]

Just incase you can't find the actual blog:

Jesus Was An Illegal Immigrant

Sunday School for preschoolers in the Churches of Christ in the 60s was pretty cool. In between the Kool-Aid and the cookies our teachers told us the basic stories of the Bible aided either by handouts with pictures of dramatic biblical scenes painted in romantic nineteenth century style or by "flannel graph" technology which consisted of paper cut out figures of the biblical characters being stuck on a felt board at the appropriate time in the narrative. The paintings made a huge impression on me and I can still see the artists' renditions of Cain and Abel, Samson and Delilah, not to mention Goliath or Moses and the Ten Commandments in my mind's eye. Once we learned to read, these dramatic reenactments ceased and we had to fill out tedious workbooks, but that is a blog entry for another day. One of the most powerful images from that era was the story from Matthew's gospel about Joseph being told in a dream by an angel to flee with Mary and Jesus to Egypt to escape the death sentence issued by King Herod. Later, of course, Joseph was told he could safely return to Palestine, but all of this was illegal since it violated Herod's decree.

Fast forward about forty years and I found myself teaching an adult Sunday School class and the topic of illegal immigration came up as we were considering one of the multitude of passages calling for God's people to love aliens and sojourners because God had taken mercy on us when our ancestors were such themselves. ("And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt." Deuteronomy 10:18-19). A class member declared that all undocumented immigrants in this country should be sent home since they were lawbreakers. No biblical argument to the contrary would move this person off this thesis.

It struck me as very ironic that this class member would affirm the orthodox Christian belief of Jesus as the Son of God, yet the logic of the political credo would have demanded that Joseph, as a law breaker, should have surrendered Jesus to Herod for execution as an infant. No cross, no teaching, no ministry, just infanticide should have been Jesus' fate on earth.

I am convinced Matthew included the flight to Egypt by Jesus and his family to show that Jesus' own story was part of the ancient story of Israel. They, too, fled to Egypt, suffered persecution, were redeemed by God, and then were empowered to live lives in solidarity with sojourners and aliens wherever they encountered them. Likewise disciples of Jesus throughout history pick up the same ministry of solidarity with displaced people. Jesus was an illegal alien and that ought to shape how we enter the current debate. But too often political ideology clouds good theology. In the current debate over immigration policy it distresses me to no end that so many of my fellow church goers ignore this fundamental tenet that should be central to our identity. Instead as theological amnesiacs we insist on a secular law and order ideology over a biblical mandate.

[weknowhowtolive]

When a group that does its best to silence anything that even hints at religion starts using religious characters for their arguement, you know they are grasping for straws. Did Jesus have TB? Because im pretty sure the dude who didnt speak english who came in my work coughing and hacking up a storm did.

[militarymite]

"If you can find an illegal immigrant that was told by the Angel of God to cross the US/Mexico border, then I'm sure an exception could be made."
I think our President in the White house subscribes to this same thump of the bible.

[Cuchulainn]

...Liberals are souless creatures doomed to a sorrowful life of suckling at the government's bitter tit.
St. Pete, ordinarily I have little argument with you... BUT, and this may be slightly petty. Please don't use capitals for liberals. Classical liberals bear little resemblance to modern liberals. Classical liberals loved liberty, both social and economic. Modern liberals betrayed economic freedom and perverted the definition. Libertarianism is the last vestige of classical liberalism. Capitalizing "Liberals" comes dangerously close to associating the modern bottom feeding liberals with the modern classical liberals, which have been forced to rename themselves Libertarians.

[terrormachine]

This is the sort of crap that turns me off to Christianity...or at least mainstream Christianity.

[Land & Heritage]

This is the sort of crap that turns me off to Christianity...or at least mainstream Christianity.

Amen brother, amen.

[Tokyohoon]

We all know Liberals are souless creatures doomed to a sorrowful life of suckling at the government's bitter tit.

I think that could be made into a t-shirt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/evilincarnate/bittertit.jpg

Oh yes.

[St.PeteJim]

I think that could be made into a t-shirt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/evilincarnate/bittertit.jpg

Oh yes.

Good job Hoon, I think that shirt would raise some eyebrows.

[Cuchulainn]

I think that could be made into a t-shirt.
I'll buy one. How much?

[weknowhowtolive]

I think that could be made into a t-shirt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/evilincarnate/bittertit.jpg

Oh yes.SHouldnt that be a Donkey getting its teet sucked.

[Dutch Raven]

Jesus wasn't.

[E4 jon]

You guys are gonna burn in hell.............................................. .................................................. .... ................................................





with me!

[Verv]

I think that the argument is so utterly ridiculous that it would be hard to find that many liberals who will even acknowledge it.

It is one of those things that I think only a hardcore few have embraced... Libs can be pretty foaming-at-the-mouth ridiculous, but the slight application of objective thought upon this statement is like forcing a vampire to eat garlic.

[Tokyohoon]

I'll buy one. How much?

Ummmmm....

Gimme ten minutes.

[Tokyohoon]

I'll buy one. How much?

www.cafepress.com/bittertit

No markup, you want one, feel free. Forgot I had an account there.

Unless Jim wants a markup and/or the design - in which case they're all his.

SHouldnt that be a Donkey getting its teet sucked.

Yes, but traditionally the Goat is the symbol of the Devil and all that is Wrong.

Surprised nobody noted it was a coyote suckling.

[LastRites]

Surprised nobody noted it was a coyote suckling.
I thought it was a wolf...was just gonna say.

[St.PeteJim]

www.cafepress.com/bittertit (http://www.cafepress.com/bittertit)

No markup, you want one, feel free. Forgot I had an account there.

Unless Jim wants a markup and/or the design - in which case they're all his.



Yes, but traditionally the Goat is the symbol of the Devil and all that is Wrong.

Surprised nobody noted it was a coyote suckling.

Brillant, I didn't catch that.

As far as the markup, the staunch capitalist in me is crying, but I will have to say I don't care about the mark up.

[King of all Buffets]

I think that the argument is so utterly ridiculous that it would be hard to find that many liberals who will even acknowledge it.

It is one of those things that I think only a hardcore few have embraced... Libs can be pretty foaming-at-the-mouth ridiculous, but the slight application of objective thought upon this statement is like forcing a vampire to eat garlic.

So can Democrats

[Hostilesouthern]

St. Pete, ordinarily I have little argument with you... BUT, and this may be slightly petty. Please don't use capitals for liberals. Classical liberals bear little resemblance to modern liberals. Classical liberals loved liberty, both social and economic. Modern liberals betrayed economic freedom and perverted the definition. Libertarianism is the last vestige of classical liberalism. Capitalizing "Liberals" comes dangerously close to associating the modern bottom feeding liberals with the modern classical liberals, which have been forced to rename themselves Libertarians.


Classic Liberals are huge supporters of WTO and world trade agreements which undermine our own national standards and trade agreements. I can not think of a more liberal idea than world wide socialism.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need to normalize trade relations and that whole arguement for the standard of free trade. I'm beginning to turn against it, only slightly.

[Mattus]

:rolleyes: There is no historical evidence of any magic wine-shooting jesus, so my stance remains the same.

[LeftWingScum]

c'mon jim who are you trying to kid, your people thrive off illegal labor. it's one of the main requirements to keep wealth concentrated in the minority. you know this, i know this. maybe now you know what it's like for the democrats, having to say one thing to appease the people while supporting the opposite side.

[St.PeteJim]

Classic Liberals are huge supporters of WTO and world trade agreements which undermine our own national standards and trade agreements. I can not think of a more liberal idea than world wide socialism.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need to normalize trade relations and that whole arguement for the standard of free trade. I'm beginning to turn against it, only slightly.

Don't go foolish on me. The only things protectionism has saved are inefficiencies in the use of labor and resources.

c'mon jim who are you trying to kid, your people thrive off illegal labor. it's one of the main requirements to keep wealth concentrated in the minority. you know this, i know this. maybe now you know what it's like for the democrats, having to say one thing to appease the people while supporting the opposite side.

I'm not making an arguement against illegal immigrants with this thread, I'm just pointing out a seldom seen side of the Democratic Party. I'm all for a guest worker program.

[siobahn]

the slight application of objective thought upon this statement is like forcing a vampire to eat garlic.exactly. maybe an issue for christians but that's about it.

[Tokyohoon]

Brillant, I didn't catch that.

As far as the markup, the staunch capitalist in me is crying, but I will have to say I don't care about the mark up.

The reward will be the knowledge that one day a liberal will see that shirt. And cry.

[St.PeteJim]

The reward will be the knowledge that one day a liberal will see that shirt. And cry.

Either cry or attempt to censor.

[LeftWingScum]

Either cry or attempt to censor.

jim, saw your band's and american government defense record's article in FHM today. you "hope to one day be a beurocrat". :biggrin:

this particular american hating leftist extremist was very happy to see you guys in the mag.

[St.PeteJim]

jim, saw your band's and american government defense record's article in FHM today. you "hope to one day be a beurocrat". :biggrin:

this particular american hating leftist extremist was very happy to see you guys in the mag.

What, we were in FHM? I guess they sold that article to a different magazine. Is that in this month's issue?

And thanks Craig.

[Hostilesouthern]

Don't go foolish on me. The only things protectionism has saved are inefficiencies in the use of labor and resources.



I'm not making an arguement against illegal immigrants with this thread, I'm just pointing out a seldom seen side of the Democratic Party. I'm all for a guest worker program.


Please qualify that against the fact that our trade deficit just reached it highest, ever, yesterday. If you pull a Cheney and say deficits do not matter, I'm gonna smack you.

Also, how can you be in favor of a guest worker program when it drives down the wages for legal workers in this country?

[St.PeteJim]

jim, saw your band's and american government defense record's article in FHM today. you "hope to one day be a beurocrat". :biggrin:

this particular american hating leftist extremist was very happy to see you guys in the mag.

Thanks, I wasted $5 on FHM - it's in Stuff Magazine.

Would it have killed them to put a pic of me in there? But boy, what a great article. We got an article in a national magazine with a criticism from the Anti-Defamation League, I feel like Christmas has come early this year.

Here is a link, but you can't read the article:

Patriot Punk
Nation of Suspects channel right-wing, pro-war rants through their amps—and bleed heavily in the process. (http://www.stuffmagazine.com/stuff_print/)

[St.PeteJim]

Please qualify that against the fact that our trade deficit just reached it highest, ever, yesterday. If you pull a Cheney and say deficits do not matter, I'm gonna smack you.

Also, how can you be in favor of a guest worker program when it drives down the wages for legal workers in this country?

I'll have your answers later after the little one goes to bed. But don't worry, I'll show you how deficits matter.

[Gut Check]

Thanks, I wasted $5 on FHM - it's in Stuff Magazine.

Would it have killed them to put a pic of me in there? But boy, what a great article. We got an article in a national magazine with a criticism from the Anti-Defamation League, I feel like Christmas has come early this year.

Here is a link, but you can't read the article:

Patriot Punk
Nation of Suspects channel right-wing, pro-war rants through their amps—and bleed heavily in the process. (http://www.stuffmagazine.com/stuff_print/)
Has anyone stopped you on the street yet? I've used it to bang like 30 chicks already.

[weknowhowtolive]

Im gunna go buy a copy if they have it at the store.

[eddie shots]

and we all know how jesus ended up.

[Jax_mtl]

After running into this website on the internet, I had to do some reading.

Faithful Democrats (http://www.faithfuldemocrats.com/)

There is a 'blog' about Jesus being an illegal immigrant. Can't really say its a good arguement, but the jewel is a comment made from a rather skeptical website viewer (which upon further review appears to have been removed from when I originally viewed the site, but it went something like this):

"If you can find an illegal immigrant that was told by the Angel of God to cross the US/Mexico border, then I'm sure an exception could be made."

But who are they kidding? We all know Liberals are souless creatures doomed to a sorrowful life of suckling at the government's bitter tit.

It's been awhile since I disagreed with you... I'm a little out of practice :tongue:. So I'm just going to say that a true liberal would not even take Jesus into consideration when discussing immigration... we're all atheists you know.

[biglippedbruiser]

I also highly doubt that Jesus was trying to smuggle in drugs, increase the chance of terroists entering the country or stealing REAL citizen's tax dollars to pay for their illegal needs and wants.

[Gut Check]

I also highly doubt that Jesus was trying to smuggle in drugs, increase the chance of terroists entering the country or stealing REAL citizen's tax dollars to pay for their illegal needs and wants.
You didn't know Big J got high? How else to you explain the long hair and sandals?

[St.PeteJim]

Please qualify that against the fact that our trade deficit just reached it highest, ever, yesterday. If you pull a Cheney and say deficits do not matter, I'm gonna smack you.

Also, how can you be in favor of a guest worker program when it drives down the wages for legal workers in this country?

This is what I have so far. It may be a little unorganzied - I had to type it up in a hurry at work earlier...I don't get much time to think anymore at home. I'll finish it later when I can.

That is working under the assumption that trade deficits are bad. The
reason there is a trade deficit is because no one can afford our
products, because as a country we are filthy rich. It is one of
the characteristics of being the richest country in the world.
The only one that really can afford it is the EU, but they use such shady protectionist practices to limit our market share. If we decided we would stop buying foreign products, the resulting effect would be a substantial rise in the cost of living. All it would do is give us, as consumers, less
choice and a more expensive price tag.
You can also think of our trade deficit as "Investing in our Future".
Let's take China for example. The trade deficit between our two
countries is great, and consider what all that US money will do to their
economy when it comes in - rapid inflation. In order to counteract that,
China buys US Gov Bonds, and other US investments in order to decrease
the money supply to combat inflation. And we just don't stick this money
under the mattress. Spending on education is at a record high, so is
spending on defense. What we are doing is investing in our future by
giving our population the tools to excel at what we do best and to
hopefully set up a world wide environment that would be friendlier to global
investment and US market capitalism (War on Terror). You have to keep
in mind that the measure of trade is only on produced goods, we have
the capacity for much more than simple manufacturing and we fill that
need for the world - most notably our dominance in the Financial Markets.
Also, how can you be in favor of a guest worker program when it drives
down the wages for legal workers in this country?
That argument has not changed since it was first used against new
immigrants to America by the Nativists. A conservative estimate of illegal
immigrants in this country is about 10 to 12 million. What does it say
for our labor market when 10 million people can move in and we still
enjoy a low unemployment rate of around 4 to 5 %? It means there is a
labor shortage. We need labor, and the cheaper the better.

[LeftWingScum]

Thanks, I wasted $5 on FHM - it's in Stuff Magazine.

haha sorry about that...

[LeftWingScum]

I also highly doubt that Jesus was trying to smuggle in drugs, increase the chance of terroists entering the country or stealing REAL citizen's tax dollars to pay for their illegal needs and wants.

can you explain how illegal immigrants are "stealing real citizen's tax dollars" when they're the only people here who pay taxes and don't get to see all the benefits that everyone else does from paying taxes? this is rhetoric 101...i think i'm now against letting everyone vote in democratic elections.

[weknowhowtolive]

can you explain how illegal immigrants are "stealing real citizen's tax dollars" when they're the only people here who pay taxes and don't get to see all the benefits that everyone else does from paying taxes? this is rhetoric 101...i think i'm now against letting everyone vote in democratic elections.The cost of paying for illegal immigrants costs more than what they generate in taxes. Fact.

[LeftWingScum]

The cost of paying for illegal immigrants costs more than what they generate in taxes. Fact.

that doesn't even make sense. show me something that proves this "fact".

[weknowhowtolive]

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[weknowhowtolive]

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[St.PeteJim]

So, would you both then support a guest worker program?

[weknowhowtolive]

So, would you both then support a guest worker program?Not really. Id rather we close the boarders for a few years and let stuff cool down, while giving us time to plan stuff before we just make a half assed plan.

[biglippedbruiser]

can you explain how illegal immigrants are "stealing real citizen's tax dollars" when they're the only people here who pay taxes and don't get to see all the benefits that everyone else does from paying taxes? this is rhetoric 101...i think i'm now against letting everyone vote in democratic elections.

Can you explain how they're even paying taxes since in order for one to pay taxes you must be LEGAL you know those forms you fill out for jobs, yeah those w-4 forms, at least the jobs that tend not to pay under the table or hire people illegally. Not to mention, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a part of the country and follow the general rules..no LAWS, in order to be a citizen or by having a visa of some sort so you can live in the country. Not to mention when an illegal immigrant enters the country and ends up living here, they can end up going to school, getting driver's licenses, medicare, school lunches, college grants, etc. And who is paying for this? The American citizens. Hospitals and jails are "some how" paying for these people to take in these benefits while others pay, when they shouldn't even be in these places anyway. Don't get me wrong, these illegals do hard work, which i find sad to be the reason to keep them here. That's all i'm expressing.

[Hostilesouthern]

So, would you both then support a guest worker program?


No. Absolutely not.

[weknowhowtolive]

No. Absolutely not.Why not? I agree with you, im just wondering if its for the same reasons.

[Gut Check]

Why not? I agree with you, im just wondering if its for the same reasons.
She hates non-whites.

[weknowhowtolive]

She hates non-whites.Is this true Lindsay? do you hate non white folk? Are you infact, a closet racist?

[LeftWingScum]

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffe c

because california is the only state that matters.

you're really going to rely on a statistic that even accounting for revenue from illegals, they still end up a liability? just like the poor compared to everyone else, or senior citizens to everyone else, or prisoners to everyone else. i guess when it comes down to it, we should just kick everyone but the rich out of the country. c'mon man, and next time get stats direct from the source, not from some minuteman organization.

[LeftWingScum]

Can you explain how they're even paying taxes since in order for one to pay taxes you must be LEGAL you know those forms you fill out for jobs, yeah those w-4 forms, at least the jobs that tend not to pay under the table or hire people illegally. Not to mention, in order to be a citizen, you have to be a part of the country and follow the general rules..no LAWS, in order to be a citizen or by having a visa of some sort so you can live in the country. Not to mention when an illegal immigrant enters the country and ends up living here, they can end up going to school, getting driver's licenses, medicare, school lunches, college grants, etc. And who is paying for this? The American citizens. Hospitals and jails are "some how" paying for these people to take in these benefits while others pay, when they shouldn't even be in these places anyway. Don't get me wrong, these illegals do hard work, which i find sad to be the reason to keep them here. That's all i'm expressing.

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they're paying for this, because they pay taxes, because they use fake SS documents, the benefits of which don't get back to them because on paper they still don't exist.

[shawn P]

can you explain how illegal immigrants are "stealing real citizen's tax dollars" when they're the only people here who pay taxes and don't get to see all the benefits that everyone else does from paying taxes? this is rhetoric 101...i think i'm now against letting everyone vote in democratic elections.
Please explain to how illegals who work under the table pay fucking taxes? I'm pretty sure the majority off illegals don't pay taxes. And, it's been pointed out to you again and again that taxes taken in by illegals is no where compared to the amount spent on social benifits used by them.

[LeftWingScum]

Please explain to how illegals who work under the table pay fucking taxes? I'm pretty sure the majority off illegals don't pay taxes. And, it's been pointed out to you again and again that taxes taken in by illegals is no where compared to the amount spent on social benifits used by them.

and it's been pointed out to you again and again that there's multiple sections of the population that take more than they give. ANd for the 100th fucking time, illegals get fake SS cards, pay taxes and give in to the community. hell, ask dawgnuts, he's right in the thick of it. he'll tell you.

[weknowhowtolive]

and it's been pointed out to you again and again that there's multiple sections of the population that take more than they give. ANd for the 100th fucking time, illegals get fake SS cards, pay taxes and give in to the community. hell, ask dawgnuts, he's right in the thick of it. he'll tell you.Prove it. Show me stats stating they pay more into taxes than they take from welfare, social security, healthcare etc. I want to see it, rather than you spewing crap about something you really have no clue about.

[LastRites]

Is illegal immigration really just an economical issue to most of you people?

[LeftWingScum]

Is illegal immigration really just an economical issue to most of you people?

dude, you're a smart guy, right? you know what this is about...alot of racial/ethnic/whatever views that are popular among the majority of the public, yet not acceptable to proclaim, have to be argued under a diffirent point of view.

[weknowhowtolive]

dude, you're a smart guy, right? you know what this is about...alot of racial/ethnic/whatever views that are popular among the majority of the public, yet not acceptable to proclaim, have to be argued under a diffirent point of view.You gunna answer me buddy?

[weknowhowtolive]

Prove it. Show me stats stating they pay more into taxes than they take from welfare, social security, healthcare etc. I want to see it, rather than you spewing crap about something you really have no clue about.


Welllllllll Craig?

[LeftWingScum]

Welllllllll Craig?

dude - valium. seriously. you just asked me the same thing 3 times within 5 minutes.

you'd save both of us alot of time if you actually read what i typed instead of what you want it to say. i didn't say they pay in more than they take out - i said the percentage of the population that pays in more than they take out is very small, meaning every other section of the population takes more than they give. pick em'. the elderly, the sick, the poor, the..."stay at home mothers". :rolleyes:

[weknowhowtolive]

dude - valium. seriously. you just asked me the same thing 3 times within 5 minutes.

you'd save both of us alot of time if you actually read what i typed instead of what you want it to say. i didn't say they pay in more than they take out - i said the percentage of the population that pays in more than they take out is very small, meaning every other section of the population takes more than they give. pick em'. the elderly, the sick, the poor, the..."stay at home mothers". :rolleyes:You've said that illegal immigrants pay more into taxes and government programs than they use. I want proof of that.

[LastRites]

dude, you're a smart guy, right? you know what this is about...alot of racial/ethnic/whatever views that are popular among the majority of the public, yet not acceptable to proclaim, have to be argued under a diffirent point of view.
I hear ya...I just dont see a solution if we exlude all non-economic factors in this issue. They all must play a role as one affects the other. I dunno...my .2

[LeftWingScum]

I hear ya...I just dont see a solution if we exlude all non-economic factors in this issue. They all must play a role as one affects the other. I dunno...my .2

the solution is for everyone to be honest for once instead of being closet xenophobes, and say we don't want hispanics here.

and if i may, YET FUCKING AGAIN, tell you all what you already know - that NOTHING will be done about illegal immigration. it's BENEFICIAL to the upper class, and in turn beneficial to politicians. whine all you want, it's NOT going to change.

pay extra attention to what jim says on here. he is classic neo-con; he supports capitalism, wants it to prosper, and illegal labor is a means to that end. he understands that. he understands capitalism, and understands where illegal labor fits into that.

[St.PeteJim]

the solution is for everyone to be honest for once instead of being closet xenophobes, and say we don't want hispanics here.

and if i may, YET FUCKING AGAIN, tell you all what you already know - that NOTHING will be done about illegal immigration. it's BENEFICIAL to the upper class, and in turn beneficial to politicians. whine all you want, it's NOT going to change.

pay extra attention to what jim says on here. he is classic neo-con; he supports capitalism, wants it to prosper, and illegal labor is a means to that end. he understands that. he understands capitalism, and understands where illegal labor fits into that.

And this whole time I thought it was in one ear out the other with you.

[LeftWingScum]

And this whole time I thought it was in one ear out the other with you.

nah dude, most times i think me and you are the only ones who understand capitalism on here.

[Weasel]

all i can think after reading the title of this thread is "and his ass got nailed to a cross."

[bacon_lettuce_tomato]

I got to this topic about two months too late, and it seems to have already derailed... but...
as for Jesus being an illegal immigrant: As of 44 BC when Cessarion (the child born to Cleopatra VII and Gaius Julius Caesar) became nominal king of Ptolemeic Egypt, Egypt came under Roman power. This was solidified when Octavian (Caesar Augustus) defeated Marc Antony claimed Egypt as the province of Aegyptus in the new Roman empire by 30 BC. Romans had conquered Palestina, the biblical lands of Jesus, befor 64 BC. Within the early empire (and throughout most of its existance) conquered people were treated as citizens and were allowed free passage to anywhere within the empire. So no, Jesus was not an illegal immigrant. He just moved from one area of the state to another.