Age Restrictions

[weknowhowtolive]

What do you think age restrictions should be on certain things?

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 18

Hand guns - 18 to purchase

Semi auto rifles - 16 to purchase

Automatic - 21 to purchase

[Johnny Rebel]

I think you should be 23 to start a new thread in WSN :rolleyes:

[showsomeskin]

You can bone a 16 year old in Nevada. I used to cruise the parking lots of high schools looking for poon. "Hey babe, I am old enough to buy beer and my parents are coming home never."

I recently heard something about a guy who, when 17, recieved head from a 15 year old girl at a party and now the state of Georgia wants to lock him away for ten years even though it was consentual.he's already served 2 and a half years of the sentence, won a trial, but the state appealed and now wants him to serve the ten years and be on a registered sex offenders list in the state. First they tried to get him for appearing in a video that someone had made of guys running a train on this one girl, even though he was only pictured in it, not partaking in it. i saw an article about it somewhere, can't seem to find it now but shit like that is ridiculous....who hasn't gotten head from a 15 year old?

[Chicago Red]

What do you think age restrictions should be on certain things?

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 18

Hand guns - 18 to purchase

Semi auto rifles - 16 to purchase

Automatic - 21 to purchase

If you are old enough to be drafted...you are old enough to do any of the above in my book.

[Chris NYHC]

who hasn't gotten head from a 15 year old?

:blush:

[CptnSpaulding]

I have always thought the voting age should be like 23 or higher... so it would at least give some of the gay college kids a year in the real world so they could be like, "wow, my professor is an idiot..no wonder he doesnt get paid shit".

edit: haha, you guys know damn well that would put a huge dent into the liberal vote... haha, if all the MTV retards couldnt vote until they get into the real world. TV would be a different world I tell ya.

[CptnSpaulding]

but in all reality.. I couldnt disagree with what Chicago Red thinks

[Baldy]

I think you should be 23 to start a new thread in WSN :rolleyes:



Listen to Johnny Rebel.

[TRIED.TRUE.TEXAN.]

I have always thought the voting age should be like 23 or higher... so it would at least give some of the gay college kids a year in the real world so they could be like, "wow, my professor is an idiot..no wonder he doesnt get paid shit".

edit: haha, you guys know damn well that would put a huge dent into the liberal vote... haha, if all the MTV retards couldnt vote until they get into the real world. TV would be a different world I tell ya.


Like they vote anyway. Ha! Most of them are to busy between sleeping in class and getting drunk to care about things like that. Most of them don't vote, they just bitch and whine and do nothing like most of the rest of the population that's eligible.

I also agree with Chicago Red on this.

[Skones]

I recently heard something about a guy who, when 17, recieved head from a 15 year old girl at a party and now the state of Georgia wants to lock him away for ten years even though it was consentual.he's already served 2 and a half years of the sentence, won a trial, but the state appealed and now wants him to serve the ten years and be on a registered sex offenders list in the state. First they tried to get him for appearing in a video that someone had made of guys running a train on this one girl, even though he was only pictured in it, not partaking in it. i saw an article about it somewhere, can't seem to find it now but shit like that is ridiculous....who hasn't gotten head from a 15 year old?

Guy in MD not too long ago got busted for banging his 15 year old girlfriend a week before her 16th birthday. He had been 16 for 2 days. Bam, statutory rape charge and a "sex offender" for life.

What do you think age restrictions should be on certain things?

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 18

Hand guns - 18 to purchase

Semi auto rifles - 16 to purchase

Automatic - 21 to purchase

You get Constitutional rights when you turn 18, so you should get everything else then too.

[Tokyohoon]

Assuming the abscence of draft legislation:

Voting - 25 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Driving - 14 for learner's permit, 16 for full license.

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 21 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Hand guns - 21 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Semi auto rifles - 21 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Automatic - 21 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Pump or semiauto shotguns - 21 or possession of a valid military/peace corps ID or honourable discharge.

Bolt action rifles, single shot or double barrel shotguns - 16

(If you can't bag your game with a bolt action or plain ol' shotgun, you have no business owning anything with more lead-spraying ability)

[Diana E]

:blush:


Yeah really.. woah wtf?

[HEADKICK HERO]

What do you think age restrictions should be on certain things?

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 18

Hand guns - 18 to purchase

Semi auto rifles - 16 to purchase

Automatic - 21 to purchase

i agree with everything except the sixteen gun thing, i think guns should be 18.

[CptnSpaulding]

Like they vote anyway. Ha! Most of them are to busy between sleeping in class and getting drunk to care about things like that. Most of them don't vote, they just bitch and whine and do nothing like most of the rest of the population that's eligible.

I also agree with Chicago Red on this.

Nah, there is a difference between idiot frat boys and idiots who believe everything their poor/drugged up professor thinks

[ArmedSuspect]

I have always thought the voting age should be like 23 or higher... so it would at least give some of the gay college kids a year in the real world so they could be like, "wow, my professor is an idiot..no wonder he doesnt get paid shit".

edit: haha, you guys know damn well that would put a huge dent into the liberal vote... haha, if all the MTV retards couldnt vote until they get into the real world. TV would be a different world I tell ya.

In the 2004 election, young adults age 18 to 24 only constituted 13% of the total voting-age citizen population and only 9% of the voting population. That means 91% of the vote came from those 25 and older. Adults 55 and over composed 35% of the vote, so again, explain to me how persuading the young is going to affect the vote? Seems to me if anything it's all the old ass baby boomers you'd have to convince to get anything done in this country.

If you want to check my figures, feel free. http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf

[CptnSpaulding]

so again, explain to me how persuading the young is going to affect the vote?

Durring the "growing up" period of peoples life, you can easily be manipulated into thinking whats right and wrong.

Example 1, if you go to college for four years.. you are surrounded by professors who speak their point of view on a subject..and push and push and push it into you until you can only think their way.

Example 2, growing up in homes w/ parents that strongly believe in one party... all you do is hear about how great their party is and how stupid the other party is.

Example 3, Specific parties use Celebs as part of their campaign... and we all know only stupid kids can easily be suckered into thinking the same way a celeb does. Most fully grown adults wouldnt even think about caring as to what a celeb had to say about certain issues... though most of the MTV generation falls for that shit..as if it should matter what a famous actor has to say about politics.

Ones political view on the world/country can only be made when one is away from their professors and away from their parents and living on their own in the real world

Do you know how many times I have heard, "Damn, I cant believe I was that dumb when I was younger and I actually voted for "blank"?

My bottom line is: Young peoples minds are easily minipulated into thinking one side is right by people who are supposed to be leaders/ look up to... and not knowing how to think on their own yet

I understand your point of how its only 13%, but that can be enough in many cases...and its a growing rate... hell they already started campaign strategies for this vary situation..fucking "Rock the Vote/Vote or die" shit- fucking CELEBS convincing the MTV generation to vote... why do you ask? take a wild guess

[weknowhowtolive]

Im behind the Capn on that 101%

[Bruiser]

...who hasn't gotten head from a 15 year old?

Ya know, I never have. I suddenly feel sheltered :mad:

[doc marten soul]

I don't think it should be age restrictions, I think it should be IQ tests.

[Truth]

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 16

Hand guns - illegal

Semi auto rifles - illegal

Automatic - illegal

:hippy:

[CptnSpaulding]

Voting - 21

Driving - 18

Drinking, smoking, drugs - 16

Hand guns - illegal

Semi auto rifles - illegal

Automatic - illegal

:hippy:
drugs:16? now I cant even take you serious

driving:18? yea, good idea..as soon as they get freedom from their guardians/parents they are able to drive...... I'm sure those two wont cross..give me a break

[Big_8]

I'm more for "cut off" ages.

Driving:65,or a road driving test every year after that age.

Voting: 65. It would take a lot the bible thumping douchebags out of our lives.

[weknowhowtolive]

drugs:16? now I cant even take you serious

driving:18? yea, good idea..as soon as they get freedom from their guardians/parents they are able to drive...... I'm sure those two wont cross..give me a breakIm pretty sure driving in england is 18 and drinking is 16...seems to work pretty well for them.

i cant take the "all guns illegal" bit seriously though.

[Dutch Raven]

Drinking, smoking - 16
Voting, Driving, drugs - 18
Hand guns, Semi auto rifles, Automatic - 21

Except for the gun things and the fact that you have to be 18 or older to drink distilled drinks, this is how it is over here and it's just fine.

[CptnSpaulding]

Im pretty sure driving in england is 18 and drinking is 16...seems to work pretty well for them.

i cant take the "all guns illegal" bit seriously though.

I wasnt talking about drinking... the whole drugs thing through me off a lil... and obviously the guns

[LastRites]

I remember picking up beer and smokes for my papa when I was 7 yrs old...with a fucking hand written note.

[MarkSociety]

You can bone a 16 year old in Nevada. I used to cruise the parking lots of high schools looking for poon. "Hey babe, I am old enough to buy beer and my parents are coming home never."
In Canada the age of consent is 14... 19 to drink, 18 to vote and 16 to drive.

[WH Jay]

Im pretty sure driving in england is 18 and drinking is 16...seems to work pretty well for them.



Drinking here is 18 as well....same as driving...smoking 16...voting 18...

and the craziest two....16 to have sex....18 to watch other people have sex on screen....

[Chicago Red]

I remember picking up beer and smokes for my papa when I was 7 yrs old...with a fucking hand written note.

Shit, I remember drinking beer at that age too...and look, I turned out fine!

[LastRites]

Shit, I remember drinking beer at that age too...and look, I turned out fine!
Exactly....kids these days eh?

[london callum]

Drinking here is 18 as well....same as driving...smoking 16...voting 18...

and the craziest two....16 to have sex....18 to watch other people have sex on screen....


Driving is 17.

[CptnSpaulding]

Driving is 17.
ooooo..somebody just got their license!

[ArmedSuspect]

Durring the "growing up" period of peoples life, you can easily be manipulated into thinking whats right and wrong.

Example 1, if you go to college for four years.. you are surrounded by professors who speak their point of view on a subject..and push and push and push it into you until you can only think their way.

Example 2, growing up in homes w/ parents that strongly believe in one party... all you do is hear about how great their party is and how stupid the other party is.

Example 3, Specific parties use Celebs as part of their campaign... and we all know only stupid kids can easily be suckered into thinking the same way a celeb does. Most fully grown adults wouldnt even think about caring as to what a celeb had to say about certain issues... though most of the MTV generation falls for that shit..as if it should matter what a famous actor has to say about politics.

Ones political view on the world/country can only be made when one is away from their professors and away from their parents and living on their own in the real world

Do you know how many times I have heard, "Damn, I cant believe I was that dumb when I was younger and I actually voted for "blank"?

My bottom line is: Young peoples minds are easily minipulated into thinking one side is right by people who are supposed to be leaders/ look up to... and not knowing how to think on their own yet

I understand your point of how its only 13%, but that can be enough in many cases...and its a growing rate... hell they already started campaign strategies for this vary situation..fucking "Rock the Vote/Vote or die" shit- fucking CELEBS convincing the MTV generation to vote... why do you ask? take a wild guess

And my point was that there are alot more idiots out there besides just the "young" crowd; personally I'd rather have someone young and inexperienced who votes based on ideals than someone old and cyncical who only votes based on if their personal self-interests are protected. The role of government is to serve the greatest good for the greatest number of people, not to insulate a small elitist group of wealthy individuals and special interests. But that's a discussion for the Politics section.

[Skones]

old and cyncical who only votes based on if their personal self-interests are protected
That's the entire point of representation. You try to elect the person that can do the most for you.

The role of government is to serve the greatest good for the greatest number of people, not to insulate a small elitist group of wealthy individuals and special interests. But that's a discussion for the Politics section.

The role of government is neither. Our government is supposed to only be there to protect the rights guaranteed to us under the Constitution. Anything other than that, refer to the 10th Amendment.

[CptnSpaulding]

personally I'd rather have someone young and inexperienced who votes based on ideals than someone old and cyncical who only votes based on if their personal self-interests are protected.

Are you serious? ehh fuck it.. agree to disagree.. none of our oppinions are gonna change

[Truth]

drugs:16? now I cant even take you serious

driving:18? yea, good idea..as soon as they get freedom from their guardians/parents they are able to drive...... I'm sure those two wont cross..give me a break

Yeah drugs, perhaps not 16. But then again, think about it. Alot of kids start drinking and smoking pot, experimentally in their early teens. But many by the time they're 16/17 have already made alcohol a regular part of their lives. I was never much of a drinker but at 16 alot of my friends were regular drinkers. I think it's alot better to perhaps be able to control how much kids are drinking and shit rather than simply outlawing it. Because I'm sure that you know alcohol and drugs will get into peoples hands if they really want it.

[CondemnedBootBoy]

If you are old enough to be drafted...you are old enough to do any of the above in my book.

Old enough to vote, old enough to get drafted, old enough to have to pay taxes. Then you should be to be old enough to drink at a bar and own firearms...It should be a god damned birthright as an AMERICAN!:cool:

[CptnSpaulding]

Yeah drugs, perhaps not 16. But then again, think about it. Alot of kids start drinking and smoking pot, mainly as experimentation in their early teens. But many by the time they're 16/17 have already made alcohol a regular part of their lives. I was never much of a drinker but at 16 alot of my friends were regular drinkers. I think it's alot better to perhaps be able to control how much kids are drinking and shit rather than simply outlawing it. Because I'm sure that you know alcohol and drugs will get into peoples hands if they really want it.
true..very true

[Truth]

true..very true

That's the way my parents looked at it... they never said to me 'kid, you can't drink', sometimes the old man would offer me a beer or a shot of whiskey and because they never restricted it from me they knew how much I was drinking judging from how many beers were left in the fridge, or how much of the bottle was full, and I could be open about it. Furthermore, there wasn't that 'forbidden fruit' stigma associate with alcohol... I never felt the need to get piss drunk and throw up everywhere because it was available and nothing that great. To this day I've never thrown up because of alcohol and I've never had a hang over...

As for light drugs... alcohol is more damaging than pot.

[ArmedSuspect]

The role of government is neither. Our government is supposed to only be there to protect the rights guaranteed to us under the Constitution. Anything other than that, refer to the 10th Amendment.

I'll tell you to refer to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution which states the federal government has the power "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." Also known as the Elastic Clause, our forefathers included it in the Constitution to give the Federal Government the power to do what was best for the nation.

[Loathe]

Guy in MD not too long ago got busted for banging his 15 year old girlfriend a week before her 16th birthday. He had been 16 for 2 days. Bam, statutory rape charge and a "sex offender" for life.



You get Constitutional rights when you turn 18, so you should get everything else then too.

Thats always been my opinion, age of majority.

[Loathe]

Hand guns - illegal

Semi auto rifles - illegal

Automatic - illegal

:hippy:

You scared of the big bad guns?

[Skones]

I'll tell you to refer to Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution which states the federal government has the power "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." Also known as the Elastic Clause, our forefathers included it in the Constitution to give the Federal Government the power to do what was best for the nation.

Article 1 is in reference to the Congress only, so the entire Federal Government doesn't have the power to do anything contained with in it. Just the Legislative.

However, if you look up the word "foregoing" in a historical dictionary from the period, you'll see that "foregoing" means the same as "preceding", meaning "everything before this" and thus only applies to:


Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


To borrow money on the credit of the United States;


To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;


To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;


To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;


To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;


To establish post offices and post roads;


To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;


To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;


To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;


To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules

concerning captures on land and water;


To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;


To provide and maintain a navy;


To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;


To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;


To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings

It hardly gives them the power to do what is best for the nation. If they were to decide that we no longer needed an elected President and Representatives and it would be in our best interest to have a brutal dictator, there would be nothing stopping them.

There is nothing elastic about the USC. The closest it comes to being "elastic" is mentioned in Article 5.

[CptnSpaulding]

That's the way my parents looked at it... they never said to me 'kid, you can't drink', sometimes the old man would offer me a beer or a shot of whiskey and because they never restricted it from me they knew how much I was drinking judging from how many beers were left in the fridge, or how much of the bottle was full, and I could be open about it. Furthermore, there wasn't that 'forbidden fruit' stigma associate with alcohol... I never felt the need to get piss drunk and throw up everywhere because it was available and nothing that great. To this day I've never thrown up because of alcohol and I've never had a hang over...

As for light drugs... alcohol is more damaging than pot.
yea def. I grew up with my old man and he let me drink so by the time where it would be a norm for me to go out drinking.. I would be used to it...and not "freak out"..you know?

edit: then again.. I do drink almost every single night.. but still.. I like the theory.. ha

You can tell when someone is usually the wildest and drunkest out of the bunch... that they were probably the most sheltered from alcohol out of everyone while growing up........ or their just a raging alcoholic..haha.

[ArmedSuspect]

Article 1 is in reference to the Congress only, so the entire Federal Government doesn't have the power to do anything contained with in it. Just the Legislative.

However, if you look up the word "foregoing" in a historical dictionary from the period, you'll see that "foregoing" means the same as "preceding", meaning "everything before this" and thus only applies to:



It hardly gives them the power to do what is best for the nation. If they were to decide that we no longer needed an elected President and Representatives and it would be in our best interest to have a brutal dictator, there would be nothing stopping them.

There is nothing elastic about the USC. The closest it comes to being "elastic" is mentioned in Article 5.

The US Supreme Court would disagree with you; in the majority opinion in the case of McCulloch v. State of Maryland, Justice Marshall wrote:

1st. The clause is placed among the powers of congress, not among the limitations on those powers. 2d. Its terms purport to enlarge, not to diminish the powers vested in the government. It purports to be an additional power, not a restriction on those already granted. No reason has been, or can be assigned, for thus concealing an intention to narrow the discretion of the national legislature, under words which purport to enlarge it. The framers of the constitution wished its adoption, and well knew that it would be endangered by its strength, not by its weakness. Had they been capable of using language which would convey to the eye one idea, and, after deep reflection, impress on the mind, another, they would rather have disguised the grant of power, than its limitation. If, then, their intention had been, by this clause, to restrain the free use of means which might otherwise have been implied, that intention would have been inserted in another place, and would have been expressed in terms resembling these. 'In carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all others,' &c., 'no laws shall be passed but such as are necessary and proper.' Had the intention been to make this clause restrictive, it would unquestionably have been so in form as well as in effect.

[Truth]

You scared of the big bad guns?

Yes suh. I'm not a fan of getting shot and I don't see the point of gun ownership.

[weknowhowtolive]

Yes suh. I'm not a fan of getting shot and I don't see the point of gun ownership.Good thing you aint American then, eh?

[Dawgnuts]

Break this down for me, why on earth should a 16 year old be able to purchase a handgun? I didn't read any of this so if you already answered it I didn't see it. But that is an idiotic thought.

[weknowhowtolive]

Break this down for me, why on earth should a 16 year old be able to purchase a handgun? I didn't read any of this so if you already answered it I didn't see it. But that is an idiotic thought.Who said 16 for hand guns? I dont see that

[TRIED.TRUE.TEXAN.]

I'm more for "cut off" ages.

Driving:65,or a road driving test every year after that age.

Voting: 65. It would take a lot the bible thumping douchebags out of our lives.


I gotta agree with that too, well at least the driving thing. Don't think the right to vote should be taken away once you've got it. Of course, it'd be nice if everyone else voted at the same rate that old people do. But as we all know "it doesn't count" or "I don't have the time" or whatever other gay excuses people come up with for not taking five minutes of their time to do something important.

[Dawgnuts]

Who said 16 for hand guns? I dont see that


Ok 18. And why rifles at 16? Why should somebody be able to purchase a gun before they can drive?

[weknowhowtolive]

Ok 18. And why rifles at 16? Why should somebody be able to purchase a gun before they can drive?Whats wrong with 18 for a hand gun?

16 for a semi auto rifle or shotgun...i dont see a problem with that. its not like you can just walk in and buy them off the shelf. I also think there should be required gun classes and or hunting safety courses to acquire a gun, but you can own a rifle at 16 now you just cant buy one. i know tons of 16 year olds that hunt.

[Dawgnuts]

Whats wrong with 18 for a hand gun?

16 for a semi auto rifle or shotgun...i dont see a problem with that. its not like you can just walk in and buy them off the shelf. I also think there should be required gun classes and or hunting safety courses to acquire a gun, but you can own a rifle at 16 now you just cant buy one. i know tons of 16 year olds that hunt.


Yes, it like you can just walk in and pick one off the shelf.

And it's not about me saying what is wrong with being 16 and buying a gun, its about you saying what is right about it. And there is nothing right about it.

A 16 year old can be given a gun from a family member meaning the is more then likely supervision at all times when around that gun.

It makes no sense that you think someone is responsible enough to purchase and make decisions with a fire arm but not old enough to vote?

[Joey D]

Voting - 15

Driving - 16

Drinking, smoking, drugs - free to all, for all.

Hand guns - 6 to purchase

Semi auto rifles - 6 to purchase

Automatic - 6 to purchase

That's right bitches, 6 years old.

And why shouldn't 15 year olds vote?

Fuck, this thread is weak. After 3 months of not posting, I post on this? Whack.

[weknowhowtolive]

Yes, it like you can just walk in and pick one off the shelf.

And it's not about me saying what is wrong with being 16 and buying a gun, its about you saying what is right about it. And there is nothing right about it.

A 16 year old can be given a gun from a family member meaning the is more then likely supervision at all times when around that gun.

It makes no sense that you think someone is responsible enough to purchase and make decisions with a fire arm but not old enough to vote?Sure, like I said, theyd have to take a safety course. a 16 year old kid can walk in to walmart and buy a pellet gun that goes over 700FPS. Hell some go voer 1200FPS.

If a 16 year old kid can be given a gun and purchase a hunting license, go through safety courses, and legally go out and hunt with that firearm, why not be able to purchase it?

[LeftWingScum]

Good thing you aint American then, eh?

what does that have to do with being against gun ownership?

[Skones]

Yes suh. I'm not a fan of getting shot and I don't see the point of gun ownership.
Gun ownership and carrying a gun are two very good ways to prevent being shot.

[weknowhowtolive]

what does that have to do with being against gun ownership?" A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."