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Gentle Jones
09-11-2006, 01:01 PM
http://libcom.org/


article was posted about an hour ago, i suspect the messageboard will get interesting shortly

thought you might be interested, i kinda was like "wtf?" when i saw the homepage after checking the article

EDIT: heres the article


1960-today: Skinhead culture


Submitted by John. on Mon, 11/09/2006 - 15:51.

A short history of Skinhead culture from its birth in 1960s Britain, and its relation to racist, anti-racist and working class politics.

Oi Oi Oi! A brief history of skinheads

Most people’s reaction to the word ‘skinhead’ is not a good one. As a cultural group, skinheads have been seen as stupid, violent, racists. No one here is going to deny that a lot of skins have been involved in far-right groups or held racist views, but the origins of skinhead culture were much more linked to multi-racial working class unity than any kind of white pride bollocks.
Skinhead culture emerged as a result of two shifts in British culture and society in the early/mid 1960s. Firstly, the Mod scene which had been so popular amongst British youth had begun to split into different factions. While the middle class Mods were able to carry on pursuing the latest Carnaby Street clothes and fashionable haircuts, this was out of reach to most working class Mods. In a scene so heavily based on consumerism, this undermined the working class Mods' status and ability to take part in the scene. This led to the emergence of "hard Mods", who marked themselves off from their peers with shaved hair, tight jeans, braces (suspenders), and work boots. This style, based on the typical style of British workingmen at the time, served to separate them from the old Mods and the middle class hippies of their generation. It served as "a conscious attempt by working class youth to dramatise and resolve their marginal status in a class-based society."
At the same time, there was an influx of Jamaican immigration to London. They brought with them Jamaican rude boy culture, reggae and ska. Many of them went to work in London’s docks and lived in the working class communities of London’s East End. As a result of living so close to one another, the ‘native’ hard Mods mingled with the Jamaican rude boys, swapping mannerisms, slang words and dancing together in West Indian dancehalls to all the latest ska, reggae and soul records.
Out of this, the Skinheads were born, a multi-racial, working class youth subculture with a clearly defined hostility to the police, government and bosses as well as being an expression of the discontent that many young people felt at the time. This culture would only flourish for a short while, peaking in 1969 and fizzling out in the early 1970s amidst internal violence and media hysteria.
However, to say that Skinhead died in the early 70s is wrong and by the late 1970s, Skinheads were back and had spread internationally, across Europe and to North America. Sadly, the resurgence of Skinhead culture in Britain had seen a fundamental political shift within the scene. Skins no longer danced side-by-side with Jamaican rude boys, were more connected to the emerging Punk movement and had become fertile ground for recruiting for far-right groups like the National Front and the more radical neo-Nazi group, the British Movement. Fascist groups began consciously recruiting racist Skinheads (who anti-racist Skins called ‘Boneheads’) to be foot soldiers in their street fights with immigrants, ethnic minorities and the far-left. This process was helped by the media’s portrayal of this new subculture as an explicitly racist one. Also, by the mid-1980s a far-right music movement, Blood & Honour, had become the main distributor of nazi Skinhead and Punk bands across the world holding big international gigs and publishing magazines.
Far-right activism also became a common theme throughout the Skinhead scene in North America and even more so in Europe (a common idea was that some Skins in the US might not be racist, but all the Skins in Europe were Nazis!). Racist Skins in the US were the first to organise themselves into gangs and attacked Punks, non-whites and anti-racist Skinheads. However, with the increasing violence of racist Skinheads, it’s hardly surprising that anti-racist Skins started organising themselves.
In 1986, the Baldies, America’s first explicitly anti-racist Skinhead crew were formed in Minneapolis to combat the presence of neo-Nazi gang, the White Knights. In 1987, the first Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice (SHARP) branch opened up in New York City to combat media portrayals of Skinheads as violent racists and spread information about Skinhead culture’s multi-racial history. They also vowed to rid New York of the racist Skinhead scene that was around in New York at the time. The SHARP model spread to other cities across the US and by 1988, there were SHARP branches in Europe as well. There have also been other anti-racist Skinhead groups, most notably RASH – Red and Anarchist Skinheads.
Today, Skinhead continues to be a thriving international youth subculture. Though still retaining a lot of the racist elements it has in the past, thanks to the efforts of dedicated anti-fascists both in and out of the scene, the nazi Skins have been (often literarily) kicked to the sidelines. Large fascist gigs have been smashed up and prevented, shops distributing nazi music were attacked until they stopped and the entire nazi Skinhead scene was driven underground. To this day in Britain, nazi Skinheads have to organise their gigs in secret, book venues under false names and often ask the police to provide protection for them on the night!
This article isn’t trying to romanticise Skinhead culture. It has been racist and mindlessly violent. But we can never forget that Skinhead culture came out of both black and white working class youth dissatisfaction and alienation from mainstream society. Because of this, there has always been a sizeable section of Skins who hold a working class politic, laying the blame for our problems fairly and squarely on those who run society, not on other sections of our class who differ from us only in race or country of birth.
By libcom

weknowhowtolive
09-11-2006, 01:49 PM
libertarian communist? uhhh.......are you sure thats not liberal? Libertarian and communist are worlds apart.

Gentle Jones
09-11-2006, 01:55 PM
yeah i'm not sure how they worked it out, just saw the article on google news and checked it out, never heard of the site before today

beer and loathing
09-11-2006, 01:55 PM
I was thinking the same thing, so I searched the site and found this:

Our name, libcom, is an abbreviation of "libertarian communism" - and its goals of liberty and community - the political current we identify with.

http://libcom.org.uk/notes/about.php

Pretty fucking queer in my opinion.

weknowhowtolive
09-11-2006, 01:58 PM
wow...what a bunch of morons. I wonder how the fuck the libertarian economics fit into the communist crap...that shits insulting.

beer and loathing
09-11-2006, 02:02 PM
It also says: Libertarian communism is a social system where production is based on the concept "from each according to ability, to each according to need"

http://libcom.org.uk/notes/about.php

which to me, sounds like communism, or at the very least liberalism, but not libertarianism.

In any case, their views of anything skinhead doesn't interest me in the least.

SkinJen
09-11-2006, 02:07 PM
It also says: Libertarian communism is a social system where production is based on the concept "from each according to ability, to each according to need"

http://libcom.org.uk/notes/about.php

which to me, sounds like communism, or at the very least liberalism, but not libertarianism.

In any case, their views of anything skinhead doesn't interest me in the least.

In reality isn't that capitalism? If your ass has the ability to go to work everyday then you can go get what you need on pay day.:biggrin:

beer and loathing
09-11-2006, 02:14 PM
If it's done by choice and not by force or coersion I guess.

Edit: Reading the above quote makes me think of someone being forced to use their ability to aid in the need of others.

I'm thinking it could be called many things, but libertarianism communism?

Cuchulainn
09-11-2006, 04:35 PM
There is no such thing as libertarian communism and there never will be. They are oxymorons. Plain and simple. Libertarians are the natural enemies of communists.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Bound Fo' Glory
09-11-2006, 07:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism


It's a fancy word for Anarchism.

beer and loathing
09-11-2006, 07:29 PM
Whatever it is, it's gay - these kids need to quit making shit up!

Bound Fo' Glory
09-11-2006, 07:38 PM
Whatever it is, it's gay - these kids need to quit making shit up!
When you look at any political philosophy (right or left) it was usually invented by some professor or rich jackass with too much time on their hands.

Professor
09-11-2006, 07:45 PM
When you look at any political philosophy (right or left) it was usually invented by some professor or rich jackass with too much time on their hands.

you got me. i do have a lot of time on my hands and with that time, i create all these theories and labels just to fuck with people. i figure, if you're dumb enough to want a nice little label for yourself, you deserve it. besides, it's less bothersome than dealing with the legalities of beating the shit out of them.

siobahn
09-11-2006, 07:56 PM
Reading the above quote makes me think of someone being forced to use their ability to aid in the need of othersthat's the idea.

yes it's aka anarchism, and actually might have seemed like a good idea when it was conceived 200 years ago.. before the catastrophic failures that have given 'communism' the definition it has today.

Bound Fo' Glory
09-11-2006, 07:59 PM
you got me. i do have a lot of time on my hands and with that time, i create all these theories and labels just to fuck with people. i figure, if you're dumb enough to want a nice little label for yourself, you deserve it. besides, it's less bothersome than dealing with the legalities of beating the shit out of them.
Can I interest you in my theories of Progressive National Socialism, Democratic Fascism, or Pimpin ain't easyism?

Cuchulainn
09-11-2006, 08:09 PM
Can I interest you in my theories of Progressive National Socialism, Democratic Fascism, or Pimpin ain't easyism?
How do you use your Progressive National Socialism, Democratic Fascism to keep your pimp hand strong?

And how does this make you a better skinhead?

Mattus
09-11-2006, 08:28 PM
libertarian communist? uhhh.......are you sure thats not liberal? Libertarian and communist are worlds apart.
Libertarian communist is actually the older branch of modern libertarianism. Went by a lot of fancy pants names.

Bound Fo' Glory
09-11-2006, 08:30 PM
How do you use your Progressive National Socialism, Democratic Fascism to keep your pimp hand strong?

And how does this make you a better skinhead?

I don't fuck with no subordinate bitches, they gotta be throughbreds. You gotta further the cause of the Master Hos. National Socialism helps keep my pimp hand strong because a bitch gotta work for the advancement of my paper stacks, ain't no room for no individualistic hos.


It doesn't help me be a better Skinhead per se, but I just beat Joe Hawkins' ass the other day for shortin my trick...that's gotta be worth somethin.

Packratt
09-11-2006, 08:33 PM
It's all the same in my opinion, just another bendyoualloverandfuckyouintheassism.

Professor
09-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Can I interest you in my theories of Progressive National Socialism, Democratic Fascism, or Pimpin ain't easyism?

i am well versed in the tenets of progressive national socialism and democratic fascism, having written texts that attempt to reconcile and cross-hybridize certain facets of both to create what i call fasdemnatsocprogism. it is an interesting concept that has yet to be fully explored. i am a staunch proponent of it. however, i am always interested in theories of pimpin' ain't easyism. the pimp hand is in constant need of practice to remain strong. perhaps we could discuss this over some tea and scones and a nice pipe. i have recently obtained some of the finest turkish tobacco that i think you will find quite delectable.

siobahn
09-11-2006, 08:55 PM
Libertarian communist is actually the older branch of modern libertarianism.hrm.. i wouldn't say that... libertarianism is an extension of classical liberalism as you probably know.. which as far as i've read didn't have much to do with kropotkin and his cronies. sure the name came from them (well, it was used in a letter to proudhon) but that's the name only. i think the distinction of property makes american libertarianism an entirely new animal. [/geek]

Bound Fo' Glory
09-11-2006, 09:01 PM
i am well versed in the tenets of progressive national socialism and democratic fascism, having written texts that attempt to reconcile and cross-hybridize certain facets of both to create what i call fasdemnatsocprogism. it is an interesting concept that has yet to be fully explored. i am a staunch proponent of it. however, i am always interested in theories of pimpin' ain't easyism. the pimp hand is in constant need of practice to remain strong. perhaps we could discuss this over some tea and scones and a nice pipe. i have recently obtained some of the finest turkish tobacco that i think you will find quite delectable.
Indeed, we can follow it up with the finest Andean freebase.

Mattus
09-12-2006, 12:35 AM
hrm.. i wouldn't say that... libertarianism is an extension of classical liberalism as you probably know.. which as far as i've read didn't have much to do with kropotkin and his cronies. sure the name came from them (well, it was used in a letter to proudhon) but that's the name only. i think the distinction of property makes american libertarianism an entirely new animal. [/geek]
Sorry didn't mean to imply direct branch AT ALL, they are QUITE different and are not linked only in the name, libertarian. Branch was a bad choice of words.

Acari Rotter
09-12-2006, 01:23 AM
The original goal of communism was to decentralise governmental power. When they actually got around to giving it a try, they decided the only way to dissolve the government was to give the government more strength. And we know how that worked out.

Mattus
09-12-2006, 08:28 PM
The original goal of communism was to decentralise governmental power. When they actually got around to giving it a try, they decided the only way to dissolve the government was to give the government more strength. And we know how that worked out.
Libertarian communism was never an accepted statist strategy, most divisions thereof actually fought tooth, nail, and bullet against the Communist state.

siobahn
09-12-2006, 09:20 PM
are not linked only in the name, libertarian.well, libertarian communists argue that a society with property is not completely free, while american libertarians believe the same about a society in which property rights are not respected. so i see it as freedom through property vs. freedom through lack of property, applying of course the "other" (social) freedoms that the name implies. not trying to be contrarian, i'm just curious as to whether i have a wrong understanding of this.
Libertarian communism was never an accepted statist strategy, most divisions thereof actually fought tooth, nail, and bullet against the Communist state.yeah, it continuously amazes me that anarchists will ally themselves with commies (in north america and western europe at least), given that every single time a communist revolution has succeeded, the reds have been so very eager to turn the guns on their former 'comrades'.

but i think you guys are saying the same thing.. anarchism/libertarian communism if you will is just the end stage or utopian vision of communist theory. it skips the steps that people like lenin considered necessary.. which in my opinion makes it even more ridiculous.

tousunis
09-13-2006, 01:20 AM
libertarian communist? uhhh.......are you sure thats not liberal? Libertarian and communist are worlds apart.

Yeah I was just gonna say....what the fuck is a libertarian communist?

Acari Rotter
09-13-2006, 01:37 AM
It seems to be a popular strategy to kill off your supporters after a successful revolution. The Nazis wiped out the SA and the Communist nations get rid of their beatnik intellectuals.

winecityskin
09-15-2006, 07:43 AM
well, libertarian communists argue that a society with property is not completely free, while american libertarians believe the same about a society in which property rights are not respected. so i see it as freedom through property vs. freedom through lack of property, applying of course the "other" (social) freedoms that the name implies. not trying to be contrarian, i'm just curious as to whether i have a wrong understanding of this.
yeah, it continuously amazes me that anarchists will ally themselves with commies (in north america and western europe at least), given that every single time a communist revolution has succeeded, the reds have been so very eager to turn the guns on their former 'comrades'.

but i think you guys are saying the same thing.. anarchism/libertarian communism if you will is just the end stage or utopian vision of communist theory. it skips the steps that people like lenin considered necessary.. which in my opinion makes it even more ridiculous.

Basically what you Americans call a Libertarian for us Europeans is a Liberal, while "libertarian" is just another word for Anarchist...

And yeah, after we'll destroy the capitalist system and kill their fascist servants, we'll send those damn anarchists to the Gulags and build a World Socialist Republic of which I'll be the Master and Commander till the end of my life. YAWHOL!!!:cool:

LostinKS
09-15-2006, 07:52 AM
hmm..here's what i got...blah blah....skinheads...mod hard mods....69...black white unity...music...blah blah...liberal...working class blah blah...then todays episode brought to you...letters a..e...i..o..u...numbers 6...9..1...4....8...8...nazi...beer...liberal...bl ah blah...anarchohardon...yackity schmackity...more skinheads...britain...jamaica bananas....punk rock...blaise blaise...boom boo INCOMING HIT THE DECK ASSHOLE!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

tousunis
09-16-2006, 02:53 AM
Basically what you Americans call a Libertarian for us Europeans is a Liberal, while "libertarian" is just another word for Anarchist...

Libertarianism and Liberalism are 2 completely different philosophies, I don't know how it is over there in Italy but I hope that everyone there isn't that big of an idiot.

winecityskin
09-16-2006, 12:43 PM
Libertarianism and Liberalism are 2 completely different philosophies, I don't know how it is over there in Italy but I hope that everyone there isn't that big of an idiot.


You in the short bus? Ok, I'll repeat this for you...

AMERICA: Liberal= Leftie; Libertarian= capitalist.

EUROPE(not only Italy): Liberal= capitalist; Libertarian= Anarchist.

Understood? It's not me that say's it, it's just how it is...
Want it translated in Canuckese to understand it better?

Eek-a-Will
09-16-2006, 12:53 PM
Libertarianism and Liberalism are 2 completely different philosophies, I don't know how it is over there in Italy but I hope that everyone there isn't that big of an idiot.
"Some writers who have been called libertarians have also been referred to as classical liberals, by others or themselves. And, some use the phrase "the freedom philosophy" to refer to libertarianism, classical liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism), or both."
now i wouldnt call them the same things because i call myself a Libertarian and im not a fucking democrat

tousunis
09-16-2006, 05:10 PM
"Some writers who have been called libertarians have also been referred to as classical liberals, by others or themselves. And, some use the phrase "the freedom philosophy" to refer to libertarianism, classical liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism), or both."
now i wouldnt call them the same things because i call myself a Libertarian and im not a fucking democrat

Nothing you say really matters now does it? I could go and make up my own quote...."Some writers have said that all Republicans shave their testicles and rub them with peanut butter just to get blowjobs from their dogs." Writers are just that...writers. You could write about anything you fucking want and it doesn't make it true.

offender
09-16-2006, 05:18 PM
Libertarians tend to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

siobahn
09-16-2006, 08:22 PM
Nothing you say really matters now does it? I could go and make up my own quote...."Some writers have said that all Republicans shave their testicles and rub them with peanut butter just to get blowjobs from their dogs." Writers are just that...writers. You could write about anything you fucking want and it doesn't make it true.you're right, better stick with your apparent strategy of avoiding books altogether.

winecityskin
09-16-2006, 09:18 PM
you're right, better stick with your apparent strategy of avoiding books altogether.

Har har har... If my rep counted, You'd be the first to know:wink: