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papatest
12-28-2009, 01:15 PM
By Bryan Denson, The Oregonian (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/bdenson/index.html)

October 08, 2009, 5:14PM

A Portland-based organizer for a national neo-Nazi (http://www.americannaziparty.com/)group was brought before a federal judge in shackles Thursday, accused of mailing a hangman's noose to the president of an Ohio chapter of the NAACP. (http://www.naacp.org/home/index.htm)
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Daniel Lee Jones, the 33-year-old regional director of the American National Socialist Workers Party, was in court to make his first appearance on two criminal civil rights charges.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Dennis J. Hubel in Portland appointed Harold DuCloux, a public defender who is African-American, to handle Jones' legal affairs in Portland. The magistrate also freed Jones from jail as he prepares to face the charges in Ohio, but he put restrictions on his travel and ordered that he part with his guns.

Jones was indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury in Toledo.

The government accuses Jones of mailing the noose to the home of F.M. Jason Upthegrove, the African-American president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in Lima, Ohio. He mailed that symbol of racism to threaten Upthegrove and interfere with his public activities, according to the indictment.

Upthegrove spoke out publicly last year after police officers knocked down the front door of a Lima, Ohio, home to arrest a drug suspect and shot to death Tarika Wilson, a 26-year-old African-American woman, and wounded her 14-month-old son, Sincere.

When Jones mailed out hate fliers about the incident, Upthegrove condemned the white supremacist organization.

According to the government, Upthegrove received a package containing the noose on Valentine's Day 2008. The indictment did not spell out how investigators concluded the noose came from Jones.

The Portland area is no stranger to virulent racists. A national civil rights organization once designated the town "Skinhead City," and the 1988 slaying of Ethiopian student Mulugeta Seraw (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/lessons_from_mulugeta_seraws_b.html) by a trio of skinheads on the city's southeast side drew national headlines.

But as the ailing economy prompts an uptick in hate group membership in some corners of America, membership in Portland's few white supremacist organizations has held steady,said Randy Blazak (http://www.sociology.pdx.edu/faculty/Blazak/index.php), a Portland State University professor and skinhead expert.

Blazak described the American National Socialist Workers' Party as a neo-Nazi group based in Roanoke, Va., with a cadre of adherents in Portland and its suburban communities.

"They're general white supremacists," said Blazak. "They believe the federal government is controlled by a Jewish cabal and needs to be overthrown."

Blazak attended Jones' court appearance Thursday, partly out of academic interest but mostly because he's had personal run-ins with him.

Jones has publicly described Blazak, who is white, as a traitor to his race. On Sept. 14, 2008, Jones posted a photo of the professor's Toyota Prius -- the one with an Obama sticker on the bumper -- on his group's Website. The photo showed Blazak's home in the background and listed his address and where Blazak's then-wife worked.

"Luckily," Jones wrote, "we have a few comrades who live near him."

Blazak asked Jones to take down the posting and told him police would know where to go if his house was broken into or someone harmed him. But the post stayed up. So Blazak shot a photo of Jones' house and published it on the Website of the Coalition Against Hate Crimes (http://www.againsthate.pdx.edu/), identifying it as the home of a local Nazi.

Jones' group pulled its photo of Blazak's car and home from its Website. Eventually, the entire site vanished because the founder of the American National Socialist Workers' Party, Bill White, was arrested last October by the FBI.

The government accuses White of threatening a juror in the criminal case of Matt Hale, a notorious white supremacist now serving a 40-year term in the government's supermax prison in Florence, Colo., for soliciting an FBI informant to kill a federal judge.

papatest
12-28-2009, 01:15 PM
test article post

Oldcrow
01-12-2010, 06:58 PM
soooooo, in essence what has happened here is a man has been indicted and jailed for a non crime....'magine that.

TxDevil
01-12-2010, 08:54 PM
I'm a bit perplexed. And, what's with the name Upthegrove? Weird.

ArmedSuspect
01-12-2010, 11:55 PM
soooooo, in essence what has happened here is a man has been indicted and jailed for a non crime....'magine that.

Actually, it could fall under harassment and intimidation, and it could also be considered a hate crime.

Oldcrow
01-13-2010, 11:47 AM
Actually, it could fall under harassment and intimidation, and it could also be considered a hate crime.

like I said...a non-crime.

amber jaime
01-13-2010, 12:07 PM
still sick none the less...


like I said...a non-crime.

laylers
01-13-2010, 01:01 PM
Wow, that Jones guy sounds like a hypocrite. Mmk

Oldcrow
01-13-2010, 01:07 PM
still sick none the less...

true, but a criminal offense? not by a long shot. If being "sick" were criminal 3/4 of the people on this board would be locked up..

Freebooter
01-13-2010, 06:44 PM
true, but a criminal offense? not by a long shot. If being "sick" were criminal 3/4 of the people on this board would be locked up..

I see what you're saying man, but mailing a hangmans noose to someone crosses a line that I think should be considered a crime. It's like throwing a brick throw a window with a death threat note attached to it. I agree though that hate crime laws are bullshit and not applied when white people are the victims.

Oldcrow
01-13-2010, 07:45 PM
odd comparison,,,throwiing a brick through a window is destroying someones property and a clearly defined crime. Placing a length of rope in a package and mailing it, whicj may offend sensibilities, is in no way a criminal act, period...and claiming it is don't change that.

Carter Ratio
01-13-2010, 08:19 PM
Rather than charging him with a crime, someone should just throw a brick through that fucker's window. If you're mailing nooses to people, you don't deserve the protection of the law, at least up to a point.

Oldcrow
01-13-2010, 08:30 PM
Rather than charging him with a crime, someone should just throw a brick through that fucker's window. If you're mailing nooses to people, you don't deserve the protection of the law, at least up to a point.



wow....

laylers
01-13-2010, 09:01 PM
I am going with Katt Williams on this sort of thing. If we keep putting the importance on an object or word as something to fear or get upset over, then it will continue to have power. Rope isn't scary. Actually using it to hang someone up is. But, sending someone or leaving someone a piece of rope tied as a noose is reinforcing it as something to fear. That, and pimpin' ain't easy.

Freebooter
01-13-2010, 09:09 PM
odd comparison,,,throwiing a brick through a window is destroying someones property and a clearly defined crime. Placing a length of rope in a package and mailing it, whicj may offend sensibilities, is in no way a criminal act, period...and claiming it is don't change that.


I realize that my comparison wasn't the best but the thing is though is that it ain't no prank done by some 14 yr old. Two facts would conclude sensibly that this is a legitimate death threat. Those facts being that the victim was the Ohio President of the NAACP, and the perpetrator is the Regional Director of the American National Socialist Party. He was a target of this threat and it should be taken very seriously. Not to mention all the connotations that go along with the noose and lynching. If you think that it's ok for NAZI's or anyone for that matter, to send death threats via mail than I don't really know what else to say.



Rather than charging him with a crime, someone should just throw a brick through that fucker's window. If you're mailing nooses to people, you don't deserve the protection of the law, at least up to a point.


wow....

If some one sent me such a threat and I knew who sent it, I would not think twice about acting in one form or another, and would probably seek justice or revenge.

J_BCS
01-14-2010, 12:35 AM
It all comes down to interpretation and how someone sees something to help their stance. Do you really think that guy was scared when he got that in the mail? That's free ammo for him.

Carter Ratio
01-14-2010, 02:14 AM
It all comes down to interpretation and how someone sees something to help their stance. Do you really think that guy was scared when he got that in the mail? That's free ammo for him.

Uh, wouldn't you be a little scared if someone mailed a noose to you?

J_BCS
01-14-2010, 02:20 AM
Uh, wouldn't you be a little scared if someone mailed a noose to you?Not as much as I would if someone mailed me a bullet but still, that's how I interpret the meaning behind it. If I mail some chick a rubber, does that mean I could be charged with attempted rape?

Carter Ratio
01-14-2010, 02:38 AM
"Some chick" is not a fair analogy. Let's say it was the president of NAMBLA, and he mailed the rubber to a little boy.

Freebooter
01-14-2010, 02:41 AM
It all comes down to interpretation and how someone sees something to help their stance. Do you really think that guy was scared when he got that in the mail? That's free ammo for him.

I don't know him so I can't make that call. I imagine he knew that this sort of thing could happen when he accepted that position. And yes this makes good publicity for the NAACP but I still don't think you can excuse the threat. You don't know when people will follow through with their threats and to laugh off receiving a noose from an extremist that you have a history with is not exactly the smartest response.


Not as much as I would if someone mailed me a bullet but still, that's how I interpret the meaning behind it. If I mail some chick a rubber, does that mean I could be charged with attempted rape?

The interpretation should depend on the situation. Yes there are clowns looking for attention but there are also those who will follow through with such threats. I don't know if we'd be having this same conversation had this nazi been a homegrown muslim american terrorist and the victim was white. I've a feeling people would say he should be executed on the spot and question why didn't they act on the threat.

Preacher
01-14-2010, 04:01 AM
Neo Nazi goofball isn't comparible to a muslim terrorist.

Carter Ratio
01-14-2010, 04:33 AM
Yeah, my NAMBLA analogy was better.

amber jaime
01-14-2010, 10:37 AM
oh i agree, but would him handing it to him be one? (not trying to be testy, just curious because i dont know the specific laws)

Oldcrow
01-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Christ, it's no wonder this country is in such deep shit.....I swear, some of you people should be locked in your houses....

Carter Ratio
01-14-2010, 11:34 AM
Who gives a damn, the National Socialists weren't democratic, and they were enemies of your country, so why should they expect any protection from your government--especially when they're mailing nooses to people they want to murder. Fuck them. I'm glad I don't live next to any Nazis.

Freebooter
01-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Neo Nazi goofball isn't comparible to a muslim terrorist.

an extremist is an extremist and a threat is a threat. i don't give a shit about how people want to "interpret it."

Papaskin
01-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Sorry - the design change was so that people would comment to the article posted on the "Home" page - not to this thread and I just forgot to lock it...so...yay..now it's locked....