Wheres your gun laws at now?

[Dawgnuts]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html


See its gonna happen no matter what. As long as people keep molesting thier kids they are gonna grow up to kill people. Guns or not.

[terrormachine]

I'm still looking for the child molesting part of the story.

[weknowhowtolive]

Canada huh...call Michael Moore.

[Dawgnuts]

I'm still looking for the child molesting part of the story.


Oh I made that up. People who go on rampages usually had a favorite uncle or a dad that liked to stick his fingers in dark holes.

[Scotskin]

Bowling for Montreal anyone?

I'd love to be the man that kills Michael Moore.

[Yorkshire Rich]

Bowling for Montreal anyone?

I'd love to be the man that kills Michael Moore.
haha, i live with a lefty, we agree on few things as far as politics go, but we'd both quite gladly give mm a good kicking.
the fella's got some valid points, but he's just such a twat you end up disagreeing, just 'cos you can't bring yourself to agree with the man.

[Martina]

That would be the second time in Montreal, some stupid french fuck killed women at post-secondary school.

[terrormachine]

Oh I made that up. People who go on rampages usually had a favorite uncle or a dad that liked to stick his fingers in dark holes.

Is it just me, or does it seem like that shit goes on more now? Maybe it's just reported more.....but who knows. Anyhow, death to pedophiles.

[Cuchulainn]

My understanding is that the Canadians are allowed to own firearms. They have a strong socialism bent, but they don't strike me as freedom haters per se. What gun laws are you referring to?

We'll find out more about the sick fuck in the next few days. The Canadian punk scene is going to take a hit for this one. They'll probably have the same type of backlash that we saw in the US (banning trench coats and mohawks in schools etc).

[Loathe]

My understanding is that the Canadians are allowed to own firearms. They have a strong socialism bent, but they don't strike me as freedom haters per se. What gun laws are you referring to?

We'll find out more about the sick fuck in the next few days. The Canadian punk scene is going to take a hit for this one. They'll probably have the same type of backlash that we saw in the US (banning trench coats and mohawks in schools etc).

Canadians have access to hunting stuff, shotguns shit like that. Pistols are much more difficult to get, at least they were when I lived in Alberta.

Although I did own my first gun when I lived there. A single shot .410 for rabits.

[siobahn]

My understanding is that the Canadians are allowed to own firearms. They have a strong socialism bent, but they don't strike me as freedom haters per se. What gun laws are you referring to?

We'll find out more about the sick fuck in the next few days. The Canadian punk scene is going to take a hit for this one. They'll probably have the same type of backlash that we saw in the US (banning trench coats and mohawks in schools etc).
i don't know what he's referring to, but it is harder to get guns here. for example you need a firearms acquisition certificate, for which you have to take a safety course. all guns have to be registered. ammunition sales are monitored and handguns are harder to procure. automatic weapons are illegal, which is interesting since every report i've read says the gunman in montreal was carrying an ak-47. (not sure about that, it's all 'preliminary' at this point.)

it also happened at a private school in westmount, the richest neighbourhood in canada. you won't see me shedding any tears...

[Cuchulainn]

i don't know what he's referring to, but it is harder to get guns here. for example you need a firearms acquisition certificate, for which you have to take a safety course. all guns have to be registered. ammunition sales are monitored and handguns are harder to procure. automatic weapons are illegal, which is interesting since every report i've read says the gunman in montreal was carrying an ak-47. (not sure about that, it's all 'preliminary' at this point.)...
Ah, I did not know all those things. Thank you for educating me. They monitor ammo sales? Wow...

Gun registration is a preliminary to government ban, because the registration means they will know whose door to knock on to pick up the gun after it's been banned.

The AK might have been a semi-auto version (and a lot of people will call any rifle an AK, because they don't know any better). And if an AK would be illegal in semi-auto in Canada, he may have taken a little trip south of the border to get it. I doubt we allow foreigners to legally buy guns here though... I never bothered to look into these things, because it doesn't normally concern me; I'm an American and I can buy a weapon if the mood strikes me (although I only own a 12 gauge).

[siobahn]

Ah, I did not know all those things. Thank you for educating me. They monitor ammo sales? Wow...

Gun registration is a preliminary to government ban, because the registration means they will know whose door to knock on to pick up the gun after it's been banned.

The AK might have been a semi-auto version (and a lot of people will call any rifle an AK, because they don't know any better). And if an AK would be illegal in semi-auto in Canada, he may have taken a little trip south of the border to get it. I doubt we allow foreigners to legally buy guns here though... I never bothered to look into these things, because it doesn't normally concern me; I'm an American and I can buy a weapon if the mood strikes me (although I only own a 12 gauge).well, the gun registry is pretty controversial (we have a conservative government at this point, albeit that they are really big pussies). there is talk about getting rid of it because of the cost. not sure which way that'll go though...

i specifically heard 'automatic ak-47' (did not realize there was a semi-auto) but of course the person(s) could have been wrong about what they saw. i also saw an emotional guy on the news earlier (right after it happened) that said he was firing off one shot at a time and that it was 'definitely a handgun'. so who knows.

and as for foreigners buying handguns, i've heard that it's sometimes possible to get anything with no background check at gun shows... but this was quite a while ago. i have a rule against talking about shit i don't know about, so this is where i shutup.. :smile:

[eddie shots]

"from my cold dead hands"
- Charlton Heston

[Jax_mtl]

That would be the second time in Montreal, some stupid french fuck killed women at post-secondary school.

This is far from the first time in Montreal, let alone Canada. There was the Polytechnique shootings in Montreal in '89, at Concordia University in '92, at Woodland elementary in Verdun '99, Taber Albert shooting in 2000...

The problem isn't Frenchies... it's men... with guns!

[Martina]

This is far from the first time in Montreal, let alone Canada. There was the Polytechnique shootings in Montreal in '89, at Concordia University in '92, at Woodland elementary in Verdun '99, Taber Albert shooting in 2000...

The problem isn't Frenchies... it's men... with guns!

In some of those other shootings, it was about school bullying.
But both times in Montreal, both men blamed women. I'd say that's not a just a coinsidence.

[weknowhowtolive]

In some of those other shootings, it was about school bullying.
But both times in Montreal, both men blamed women. I'd say that's not a just a coinsidence.

I agree. Its crazy fucking women with your crazy fucking mouths

[eddie shots]

a responsible man with a gun is a woman (or mans for the sake of pc bullshit) best protection. i am a proud multi-firearm owner(legally now) for over ten years now and not an incident has occurred. if it ever did i would be prepared to protect family, friends, and freedom.

[Jax_mtl]

In some of those other shootings, it was about school bullying.
But both times in Montreal, both men blamed women. I'd say that's not a just a coinsidence.

It seems this time around it's about school bullying...
All I have to say is it's fucked... and I'm happy that my sister is safe... Unfortunately she was there today, and it took over an hour to get in touch with her. Needless to say my family and the Mtl hardcore scene were very worried about her.

[steelcityskin]

The problem isn't Frenchies... it's men... with guns!
it's men? seriously. go burn yer bra somewhere else. it's retarded fucks with problems, not MEN and GUNS. they'd still do whatever crime they had planned on, just found a different avenue to use. don't be simple.

[Jax_mtl]

it's men? seriously. go burn yer bra somewhere else. it's retarded fucks with problems, not MEN and GUNS. they'd still do whatever crime they had planned on, just found a different avenue to use. don't be simple.

Dude... it was a bit of a joke to lighten the mood.
The guy obviously had major fuckin problems. I'm just surprised it happened in a college... It's not usually the surroundings where one gets picked on or excluded to the point of wanting to pull a stunt like this.

[LastRites]

I like how they mention "no links to racism or terrorism" right away.
Some Montreal web newspaper metnioned the background of the or one of the gunmen...they quickly edited it.
Ya well....another reason to keep and enforce Canadian gun laws....:rolleyes:

[LeftWingScum]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html


See its gonna happen no matter what. As long as people keep molesting thier kids they are gonna grow up to kill people. Guns or not.

actually, no one would be able to kill with a gun if guns weren't available...which is very easy to accomplish.

[weknowhowtolive]

actually, no one would be able to kill with a gun if guns weren't available...which is very easy to accomplish.Yeah its really easy, we just take them all away and melt them and then no one can ever make one ever again...

[Dawgnuts]

actually, no one would be able to kill with a gun if guns weren't available...which is very easy to accomplish.


How do you take back the billions of guns manufactured in this world?

[LeftWingScum]

Yeah its really easy, we just take them all away and melt them and then no one can ever make one ever again...

no, see, you have to think on a higher level than we're used to. strict laws against not owning them, but against the manufacturing of firearms (extreme fines, extreme prison sentences) would immediately cause firearms to cease being produced. no one would manufacture them, as the profit wouldn't be worth the risk, when no one can pay the price for one.

[LeftWingScum]

How do you take back the billions of guns manufactured in this world?

it would have to be something larger than just an american ban on manufacturing.

[Cuchulainn]

And when hurting people becomes illegal, we can all hold hands and sing, "We are the world." Banning guns, even if it were possible, would only produce oppressive governments.

[madicide]

This is not the first shooting at a Montreal college. About 17 years ago, Marc Lepine opened fire at Ecole Polytechnique. Fourteen female students were killed in the December 1989 shooting before Lepine killed himself.
Lepine left behind a three-page letter blaming feminists for his not being able to get into the school.


I wonder what the headline for that one was?

FOURTEEN BULLDYKES KILLED, KILLER SHOOTS SELF

But seriously...if Canada's feminist movement was anything like ours, that does not suprise me.

[King of all Buffets]

I wonder what the headline for that one was?

FOURTEEN BULLDYKES KILLED, KILLER SHOOTS SELF

But seriously...if Canada's feminist movement was anything like ours, that does not suprise me.

I am glad you find it so funny, i hope someone you know goes to a school that get shot up and you can spend a whole day worried sick that they may have had their brains blown out.....stupidass!

[Hostilesouthern]

it would have to be something larger than just an american ban on manufacturing.


I assume you mean a forced confiscation.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

it's retarded fucks with problems, not MEN and GUNS.
Right, that guy was a world-class douchebag. "the world is a video game" fuck that kid, wanna be Blade lookin faggot.
but lemme run down who's gonna get blamed
1. Guns
2. Metal-"He listened to some Norwegian fag singing about the devil...that's your motive right there"
3. Playstation/Xbox.

[madicide]

I am glad you find it so funny, i hope someone you know goes to a school that get shot up and you can spend a whole day worried sick that they may have had their brains blown out.....stupidass!

I don't think shootings are funny in the slightest, having been at school when an armed intruder attempted one I can't imagine how bad an actual shooting would be...but I do think the feminist movement here is ridiculous at times.

[Dawgnuts]

it would have to be something larger than just an american ban on manufacturing.


Even if you ban the manufacturing of guns what about the billions already made and in the hands of the public?

[Nutter]

actually, no one would be able to kill with a gun if guns weren't available...which is very easy to accomplish.

First off it isnt easy to accomplish at all there are millions of guns in the us alone the plolice count forcably remove them from every person because there are not enough man hours at in a year to do it. And we are not even talking about all the third world countries that have millions of guns and no control what so ever. Hell most of them have strick gun control laws but cant back them eather. And if you make a statement about the UN coming in I have only one thing to say. When they pry my cold dead fingers from my guns. They can have them.

I assume you mean a forced confiscation.

Off course he means forced confiscation. Because the fact is if they ban guns and say turn them in its not going to happen. There would be armed resistance.

As for the guy who shot up the school in .ca. It just goes to prove even if guns are banned/tightly controled or restricted. People can get guns and commit an act of violence.

Back in the 1990s there was a big shooting in england were a bunch of people were shot by a armed gunman who got ahold of some fire arms (Uzi I think) and went on a shooting rampage. And england has has had some of the strickest gun controls laws on the books for over a hundered years. Gun control isnt the answer. Education and learning how to profile people in advanced of these types of acts can and will be more effective. This guy would have made a bomb, used a sword or found a way to commit this act if he didnt have a gun. He got ahold of a simi automatic (Barretta storm not AK47) even though the weapon isnt easily accuired in cannada and may infact be illegal unless your goverment of police.

[King of all Buffets]

Back in the 1990s there was a big shooting in england were a bunch of people were shot by a armed gunman who got ahold of some fire arms (Uzi I think) and went on a shooting rampage. And england has has had some of the strickest gun controls laws on the books for over a hundered years. Gun control isnt the answer. Education and learning how to profile people in advanced of these types of acts can and will be more effective. This guy would have made a bomb, used a sword or found a way to commit this act if he didnt have a gun. He got ahold of a simi automatic (Barretta storm not AK47) even though the weapon isnt easily accuired in cannada and may infact be illegal unless your goverment of police.

the problem is that they allow some of the gunsd but have a restriction on how big of a clip they can have (5 rounds) to avoid them being used in a multi-person killing spree... They said on the news the morning that one of the guns he had (the beretta maybe) had an interchangeable clip which could take a much bigger clip from a different gun by the same manufacturer.

[Loathe]

no, see, you have to think on a higher level than we're used to. strict laws against not owning them, but against the manufacturing of firearms (extreme fines, extreme prison sentences) would immediately cause firearms to cease being produced. no one would manufacture them, as the profit wouldn't be worth the risk, when no one can pay the price for one.

Because that worked witht he production of alcohol during prohibition, and it worked for the production of dugs too right?

The Mujihadin could make an AK-47 over a fire in the mountains of afghanistan, I'm pretty sure that even if you made the manufacture of firearms illegal they would still be around. Look at cities like NY. They have had gun control laws for years, made the owning and possestion of all kinds of weapons illegal, but there were still guns around, hell think about the zip guns of the old school gangs.

[siobahn]

no, see, you have to think on a higher level than we're used to. strict laws against not owning them, but against the manufacturing of firearms (extreme fines, extreme prison sentences) would immediately cause firearms to cease being produced. no one would manufacture them, as the profit wouldn't be worth the risk, when no one can pay the price for one.yes, exactly... then the government can arrest anyone who advocates guns (not to mention racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.).. all the confiscated weapons (and there will be a lot) can be used to beef up the police force to take care of all those undesirable elements that think rich people "deserve" the money they earned.. (rubbish).. as well as any who say that white people were responsible for anything positive in the world, or that religion is preferable to athiesm... best of all, all those ignorant hicks guilty of Incorrect Speech can be fenced in the forest to fend for themselves against an out of control deer population (which should probably be purposely infected with rabies to make the public viewing sessions oh so vindicating)...

[Nutter]

please remind me to add a sarcasm tag for the forum. :biggrin:

[Hostilesouthern]

Chris brings up an interesting point, who would enact this seizure of private property from U.S. citizens?

The AFT is made up of Americans, dummy. Would you have our government war against it's own people to satisfy some deluded sense of justice? Or better yet, invite the pathetic Untied Nations violate our sovereignty?

That's a stomach turning thought.

[Loathe]

Chris brings up an interesting point, who would enact this seizure of private property from U.S. citizens?

The AFT is made up of Americans, dummy. Would you have our government war against it's own people to satisfy some deluded sense of justice? Or better yet, invite the pathetic Untied Nations violate our sovereignty?

That's a stomach turning thought.

In the 60's JFK actually tried working with the UN to ban weapons in the US, but was persuaded that he really didn't understand how much American's loved their guns. I think it was called the 1961 Weapons Control Act or some shit. I used to have a copy of the original document, I should still have it here somewhere. The UN printed up millions of them, you can buy them online.

So, who konws, UN forces?

Plus, we've already seen ample evidence that officers and even the military to a certain extent, will places orders over their loyalty to the common citizen. I mean, Ruby Ridge, Waco, New Orleans (violations of posse comitatus and other violations), do you really doubt that if ordered officers would start collecting guns?

They probably thought that in Australia too, and look at them now, they practically have nothing left.

[siobahn]

Plus, we've already seen ample evidence that officers and even the military to a certain extent, will places orders over their loyalty to the common citizen. I mean, Ruby Ridge, Waco, New Orleans (violations of posse comitatus and other violations), do you really doubt that if ordered officers would start collecting guns?yeah, but there's a big difference between that and having to actually kill your countrymen during an insurgency. the cases you mention were americans of course, but this would be a much, much larger scale.

[Cuchulainn]

The ATF would like nothing more than to be given the go ahead to start disarming the populace. They're chomping at the bit. They are probably the second most dangerous organization (following the Dept of Homeland Security) to our civil liberties.

The white helmets of the UN will never be seen in the US. Those helmets are reserved for nations too barbaric to be trusted to police themselves. That's not us. And to echo Nutter, "From my cold dead fingers." Any foreign military that violates our borders, even to do the "good deed" of disarming our people, will very quickly be pushed into the sea.

[madicide]

When they pry my cold dead fingers from my guns. They can have them.





That's the spirit!:biggrin:

[LeftWingScum]

And when hurting people becomes illegal, we can all hold hands and sing, "We are the world." Banning guns, even if it were possible, would only produce oppressive governments.

not when we're there to liberate the people of various nations.

[Hostilesouthern]

Right, that guy was a world-class douchebag. "the world is a video game" fuck that kid, wanna be Blade lookin faggot.
but lemme run down who's gonna get blamed
1. Guns
2. Metal-"He listened to some Norwegian fag singing about the devil...that's your motive right there"
3. Playstation/Xbox.


Sigh, why are there not more lefties like you, Jason? This is going to sound like ball licking....

You are seriously one of the only people on the "other side" I can converse with and come away with a good idea of where you are coming from and why you feel that way. That you arrived at your conclusions honestly.

I dunno, thanks for not sucking, I guess.

[Dixon]

More proof the Liberals failed registrys act didn't work for shit...

Personally? Im sitting at 14 firearms and counting... Havent shot anyone yet..
lots o moose, deers, elk and a bear
but no people

Oh nutter, the CX4 is legal for public ownership In Soviet Canuckistan

[AppletonDan]

actually, no one would be able to kill with a gun if guns weren't available...which is very easy to accomplish.
Ok hippy man lets say some ragheads wanna pull some 9/11 shit again and all of our guns have been taken away, what do we do knock them on their heads with fucking sticks, id really not like to revert back to the god damned times of swords and clubs? get over it there will be no world peace ever. and do you really think TED FUCKIN NUGGENT is gonna let you take his fire arms away? hell no he'll start a god damned revolution

[Ihateyou]

not when we're there to liberate the people of various nations.
How will we liberate anyone without any firepower or force? What are we going to use; strong words?

[LeftWingScum]

Ok hippy man lets say some ragheads wanna pull some 9/11 shit again and all of our guns have been taken away, what do we do knock them on their heads with fucking sticks, id really not like to revert back to the god damned times of swords and clubs? get over it there will be no world peace ever. and do you really think TED FUCKIN NUGGENT is gonna let you take his fire arms away? hell no he'll start a god damned revolution

i never said anything about world peace. that's the last thing i want. killing the racists, homophobes and breeders would be a good start.

[Ihateyou]

killing the racists, homophobes and breeders would be a good start.
So, if you kill all the "breeders", wouldn't mankind simply vanish off the face of the earth? You really do spew some nonsensical shit, you know that? How will you identify these racists and homophobes? Plus, how will you kill them? You've already eliminated all firearms in the world remember?

[steelcityskin]

i never said anything about world peace. that's the last thing i want. killing the racists, homophobes and breeders would be a good start.

wow. aint cuba or north korea calling?

[LeftWingScum]

So, if you kill all the "breeders", wouldn't mankind simply vanish off the face of the earth? You really do spew some nonsensical shit, you know that? How will you identify these racists and homophobes? Plus, how will you kill them? You've already eliminated all firearms in the world remember?

there's a diffirence between having a child and working and contributing to society and the economy, and existing solely to breed children.

[LeftWingScum]

wow. aint cuba or north korea calling?

no, but venezuela sure is! :biggrin:

[Diana E]

How will we liberate anyone without any firepower or force? What are we going to use; strong words?

Of course not.. we'll do it by hugs, candy corn and "I hate whitey" t-shirts

[LeftWingScum]

Of course not.. we'll do it by hugs, candy corn and "I hate whitey" t-shirts

and they say the left are the ones without solutions...

[Diana E]

and they say the left are the ones without solutions...

I'm talking about the left ya retaaaad

[Mike]

no, but venezuela sure is! :biggrin:

Seriously LWS, you must be joking. Move to Venezuela and see how you like it, destitution and absolute poverty aren't big attractions to sheltered, idealistic Americans that "dabble" in socialism. Your political views and beliefs would quickly be challenged and you would haul your ass back to your comfy little place in America.

Socialism in countries like Venezuela is only attractive to wealthy (in comparison to any third world country) bourgeois, American pseudo intellectuals. Get fucking real.

Unemployment is at almost 13%.
47% of people live below the poverty line.
34.2% of their GDP goes towards external debt.
16% inflation.

Looks like a utopian paradise to me... Especially when their petroleum reserves (their main source of income) are depleted, what then? The shortlived economic boom they are experiencing will be over, then back to farming or agriculture for big corporate agri-business concerns at slave wages. Sounds sweet.

[Ihateyou]

That's the problem with most of the socialist activist type people I know. They all raise a huge stink about how terrible our system of government is and how they'l love to live in glorious Cuba or Venezuela or "insert socialist dream vacation getaway here" But, they'd never give up all the comforts and freedoms this country provides to follow through. If they did, Antiflag would be long fucking gone by now instead of putting out shitty music on major record labels.

[LeftWingScum]

get the joke next time. i like it here, i'm not leaving, and you, my fellow americans, are stuck with me.

[Diana E]

get the joke next time. i like it here, i'm not leaving, and you, my fellow americans, are stuck with me.

get a blow job yet?

[LeftWingScum]

get a blow job yet?

last sunday. i told you, you don't gotta worry about me. i'm doing A-OK.

[Diana E]

last sunday. i told you, you don't gotta worry about me. i'm doing A-OK.


Good, because sometimes I worry about you. Now my angelic little head will be resting comfortably upon my down pillow this evening.

[Cuchulainn]

LWS, don't ever change. When a topic is starting to go stale, you can be counted on to come along and piss everybody off and get things moving again. Even if it's just to toss insults back and forth... :rolleyes: