Chavez calls Bush the devil, Pelosi calls Chavez a thug. WTF?

[Hostilesouthern]

Between What Pelosi said in the news today-

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060921/2006-09-21T164325Z_01_N21334844_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-VENEZUELA-USA-SPAT-DC.html




And Rep. Rangel basically telling Chavez to fuck himself...I'm digging all this All-American indignation, even from one of Bush's most vocal critics. Plus, I despise Chavez.

[beer and loathing]

I heard about that. He also said: "The hegemonistic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species."

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060920-080232-4672r

Amazing.

[terrormachine]

Why is this man on American soil? Yet another reason to kick the UN out of New York and build a parking garage.

[gregtheskin]

maybe he's here for the mutation and combining of the two to make a thug devil? Or is it devil thug?

[Gut Check]

Man Lindsay it doesn't take much to swing your opinion of someone!

What he said was funny as hell anyway, I smell the sulfur of the devil? Hahaha, they shouldn't have even dignified his statements with a legitimate response, Charles Rangle should have been like, "Nigga you bout to smell some napalm shit!" Everything is so much cooler in my own little world.

[Gut Check]

Why is this man on American soil? Yet another reason to kick the UN out of New York and build a parking garage.
Mos def. Saw some poll the other day, a big number of American's, like over 60%, don't want the UN here, and want to stop sending our tax dollars to it.

[Hostilesouthern]

Man Lindsay it doesn't take much to swing your opinion of someone!

Who? Bush?

[Gut Check]

Who? Bush?
No, Pelosi, and Rangle.

On another note, does Charlie Rangle smoke a pack a day or what?

[weknowhowtolive]

Why is this man on American soil? Yet another reason to kick the UN out of New York and build a parking garage.Why was Muhmomo Acknamemenajam or whatever the fuck his name is here too? What a bunch of bullshit. We sit there telling them over and over to cease and desist, but when he shows up Bush stands there muttering like a fucking hairlip about how thankful we are to them.

[Hostilesouthern]

No, Pelosi, and Rangle.

On another note, does Charlie Rangle smoke a pack a day or what?

No dummy, I hate those two. I know why they are making these statements, it's election year. Makes the Democrats look more moderate. But it's nice to hear none the less. makes me feel like all Stars and Stripey.

[Gut Check]

No dummy, I hate those two. I know why they are making these statements, it's election year. Makes the Democrats look more moderate. But it's nice to hear none the less. makes me feel like all Stars and Stripey.
I gotcha. Hearing it makes me feel dirty, I start agreeing with a Democrat and I have to go take a shower.

[King of all Buffets]

Weeeeeell in his defense, Bush really is the Devil.

[Jimmy]

Weeeeeell in his defense, Bush really is the Devil.


Haha, that was funny... unexpected.

[militarymite]

No dummy, I hate those two. I know why they are making these statements, it's election year. Makes the Democrats look more moderate. But it's nice to hear none the less. makes me feel like all Stars and Stripey.
Last I checked democrats were americans too, why should'nt they stand up and say something like that? I know why George Bush is going around everywhere giving speech after speech on the only bone they have left which is security, because it's election year.

[Jax_mtl]

What's the big deal about him calling Bush the Devil.... Did he make any comments against the American people after that?

[Hostilesouthern]

Just an aside, is anyone still buying gas from Citgo? I banned my husband from ever spending our $ there. I even check our bank statements to make sure.

[King of all Buffets]

Just an aside, is anyone still buying gas from Citgo? I banned my husband from ever spending our $ there. I even check our bank statements to make sure.

Why? whats the deal with that place?

[Hostilesouthern]

Why? whats the deal with that place?


Citgo is owned by the Venezuelan government, they nationalized their oil industry. I do not want to finance their replusive leftist state. There are a few oil companies I will not do business with, Citgo is at the very top of that list.

[Hostilesouthern]

Last I checked democrats were americans too, why should'nt they stand up and say something like that? I know why George Bush is going around everywhere giving speech after speech on the only bone they have left which is security, because it's election year.


You are bitching about nothing, I liked that they made those statements.

[King of all Buffets]

Citgo is owned by the Venezuelan government, they nationalized their oil industry. I do not want to finance their replusive leftist state. There are a few oil companies I will not do business with, Citgo is at the very top of that list.

What kind of governments do you really think you funding when you go to the other gas stations?

[Gut Check]

Last I checked democrats were americans too, why should'nt they stand up and say something like that?
Maybe because 364 days out of the year Democrats say the exact same thing as Chavez.:confused:

[Jax_mtl]

What kind of governments do you really think you funding when you go to the other gas stations?

I'd rather fund a government that feeds its people than one that uses the cash to finance its nuclear aspirations... or better yet, a privately owned company that barely even pays its share of taxes.

[Hostilesouthern]

I'd rather fund a government that feeds its people than one that uses the cash to finance its nuclear aspirations... or better yet, a privately owned company that barely even pays its share of taxes.


And that would be capitalism now, wouldn't it? You decide what you would and would not like to support with your $.

[King of all Buffets]

The top 4 oil importing countries to the USA are

Canada (17%)
Saudi Arabia (14.5%)
Mexico (13%)
Venezuela (11%)

..... Even when supporting a U.S company pumping the gas, your still inadvertantly giving $ to to Mexico and the friendy Saudis......oh ya and us Canuks:biggrin:

[Hostilesouthern]

The top 4 oil importing countries to the USA are

Canada (17%)
Saudi Arabia (14.5%)
Mexico (13%)
Venezuela (11%)

..... Even when supporting a U.S company pumping the gas, your still inadvertantly giving $ to to Mexico and the friendy Saudis......oh ya and us Canuks:biggrin:


I like doing business with Canda and Mexico, how many times do I have to repeat that? I use gas stations that get the largest crop of oil from those two countries.

[weknowhowtolive]

I banned Citigo months ago and i dont even buy gas :eek:

But seriously, i told my friends to stop buying when that stunt was pulled with offering gas after Katrina.

[King of all Buffets]

I like doing business with Canda and Mexico, how many times do I have to repeat that? I use gas stations that get the largest crop of oil from those two countries.

Its so crazy how the whole Oil boom has changed Canada over the last number of decades....Alberta is now like a Canadian Texas and a place where people move to for jobs not away from.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

Weeeeeell in his defense, Bush really is the Devil.
Bush is not the Devil.




...He's the anti-christ, there IS a difference, you know.

[Hostilesouthern]

Its so crazy how the whole Oil boom has changed Canada over the last number of decades....Alberta is now like a Canadian Texas and a place where people move to for jobs not away from.


For better or worse, in your opinion? America really need to step it up with our economic ties to Canada. We make mad cash off of one another.

[Jax_mtl]

And that would be capitalism now, wouldn't it? You decide what you would and would not like to support with your $.

It is... I'm just wondering why you would prefer to boycott Venezualan oil as opposed oil from the Middle East?

[Tokyohoon]

maybe he's here for the mutation and combining of the two to make a thug devil? Or is it devil thug?

Neither. It's a thugil. Or a dug. Or a Thevil. Awwww... dammit! :mad:


In all seriousness - Chavez, as much as I hate him, is playing a pretty good game of politics right now. I'm predicting that he'll have an accident. Or a coup.

[King of all Buffets]

For better or worse, in your opinion? America really need to step it up with our economic ties to Canada. We make mad cash off of one another.

I think for better, there are allot of American business people that are buying second houses in Alberta....having kids born in Canada. Also the job boom is great for that reagion. I am all for the U.s and Canada to become way more north american centric to that we can maximize what we can get from each other, then we could minimize what we need from other countires.

I think alot of Americans shit on canada and/or are unaware of our econmic value to each other....when it comes to global issues we are in the same neighbourhood...so in the same boat.

[Gut Check]

Citgo has pumps at 7-11 down here, I have severly limited my Slurpee consumption.

[Hostilesouthern]

I think for better, there are allot of American business people that are buying second houses in Alberta....having kids born in Canada. Also the job boom is great for that reagion. I am all for the U.s and Canada to become way more north american centric to that we can maximize what we can get from each other, then we could minimize what we need from other countires.

I think alot of Americans shit on canada and/or are unaware of our econmic value to each other....when it comes to global issues we are in the same neighbourhood...so in the same boat.


yeah, but we do that do each other all the time. And it's fucking retarded. I see you Maple ******s posting shit about how stupid Americans are all the time, some of us pull the same crap. It's a worn out punch line.

As time marches on and we all begin to see how destructive the leftist swell in South America is, and how brutal and disgusting the House of Saud is.....I'm thinking the shift will follow.

[Dawgnuts]

What's the big deal about him calling Bush the Devil.... Did he make any comments against the American people after that?


When the American public ELECTS a president then some shit bag country calls that man a devil then you are talking shit to AMERICANS.

[King of all Buffets]

As time marches on and we all begin to see how destructive the leftist swell in South America is, and how brutal and disgusting the House of Saud is.....I'm thinking the shift will follow.

I think we are fairley iggnorant to the possable theat that south america possess. As for my favorite House of Saud, I really beleive that we will do absolutely nothing about them since the popular consensus is that in another 20-40 years their insane spending will cause them to bankrupt themselves and alow us to waltz in....give them a democracy and a middle class and use their resources what ever way we wish.... Unfortunately at the current rate at witch their Islamic schools are graduating extremists I think waiting is that worst possable option.

[Hostilesouthern]

I think we are fairley iggnorant to the possable theat that south america possess. As for my favorite House of Saud, I really beleive that we will do absolutely nothing about them since the popular consensus is that in another 20-40 years their insane spending will cause them to bankrupt themselves and alow us to waltz in....give them a democracy and a middle class and use their resources what ever way we wish.... Unfortunately at the current rate at witch their Islamic schools are graduating extremists I think waiting is that worst possable option.


See that's the great thing about bio-fuel and drilling in our own nation. Chavez has zero diversity in that country's economy, Iran, Saudi Arabia...etc. We all need to smarten up and stop playing their game, no need to bomb everyone. Economic embargos on their only real export works much better and bloodlessly.

[Jax_mtl]

When the American public ELECTS a president then some shit bag country calls that man a devil then you are talking shit to AMERICANS.

I would argue that maybe is true if more than 25% of the American public had voted for him. I talk shit all the time on Bush, Harper, Blair, Chirac, etc. I must either love talking shit on my own country and every other country in the world, or I call em as I see em. Dissin' Bush does not equate with insulting Americans... If that were the case, half of America would be anti-American.

[Jax_mtl]

We all need to smarten up and stop playing their game, no need to bomb everyone. Economic embargos on their only real export works much better and bloodlessly.

I agree 100%... Buying locally is good for a variety of reasons. I would go a step further, and argue that we should buy not only locally, but also in local smaller business. They usually have a greater interest in reinvesting in their communities than larger companies.

[Diana E]

Chavez is a squirt. That sums up my opinion on him. But I can't be a hypocrite and say he shouldn't have said what he wanted to but no one should get upset or feign ignorance as to why the American people drop a shit storm on his ass.

As for boycotting Citgo.. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Citgo franchises are privately owned. So on one hand, if I boycott Citgo, i'm taking $ away from Chavez's evil regime but on the other hand, i'm taking $ out of the hands of American business owners.

I don't think I've ever used Citgo anyway, i buy gas from WaWa.. i have no idea where they get their oil from, I should find out.

[Hostilesouthern]

I would argue that maybe is true if more than 25% of the American public had voted for him. I talk shit all the time on Bush, Harper, Blair, Chirac, etc. I must either love talking shit on my own country and every other country in the world, or I call em as I see em. Dissin' Bush does not equate with insulting Americans... If that were the case, half of America would be anti-American.


You come to America to bash us publicly? In an international forum?

You have some balls I just do not have, then.

Chavez could have made the case for how great his country is, how well their state controlled population is doing. Instead he merely used the UN platform to talk about how bad we are. Same problem I have with WP folks talking trash on black folks. If you are truly better, you have no need to denigrate the group you are better than. Unless, ya know, one does not truly believe that or can not show it.

[Jax_mtl]

You come to America to bash us publicly? In an international forum?

You have some balls I just do not have, then.

Chavez could have made the case for how great his country is, how well their state controlled population is doing. Instead he merely used the UN platform to talk about how bad we are. Same problem I have with WP folks talking trash on black folks. If you are truly better, you have no need to denigrate the group you are better than. Unless, ya know, one does not truly believe that or can not show it.

Definitely, I agree that the dude should be using such a forum for constructive discussion. On the other hand, I don't understand the big deal on him calling Bush the Devil. The whole story screams childish.

[Hostilesouthern]

I agree 100%... Buying locally is good for a variety of reasons. I would go a step further, and argue that we should buy not only locally, but also in local smaller business. They usually have a greater interest in reinvesting in their communities than larger companies.


I agree with that as well, but no one should be forced to do so. I buy locally cause it's usually cheaper and I like growing my own economy.

Kmart was once one of the largest retailers in America, but their service and goods got uber shitty and they went under.

Wal-Mart may learn from those mistakes...only time will tell. I refuse to step foot in a Wal-Mart, either way.

[Hostilesouthern]

Definitely, I agree that the dude should be using such a forum for constructive discussion. On the other hand, I don't understand the big deal on him calling Bush the Devil. The whole story screams childish.


If Chavez was not courting Cuba and Iran so visually, I would say you are correct. Since he is working against as often as he possibly can, no, fuck that guy. He is taunting us, and using his oil funds to gain a foothold with people who wish us ill.

[Jax_mtl]

I agree with that as well, but no one should be forced to do so. I buy locally cause it's usually cheaper and I like growing my own economy.

Kmart was once one of the largest retailers in America, but their service and goods got uber shitty and they went under.

Wal-Mart may learn from those mistakes...only time will tell. I refuse to step foot in a Wal-Mart, either way.

People shouldn't be forced, but often people are indirectly forced to go to stores like Wal-Mart because they're so much cheaper. Mom n' Pop places often can't compete price-wise for alot of goods, although they usually offer better quality products and service. Governments should be forced to stop giving land grants and the like to companies like Wal-Mart who don't need them, and help out small business more.
I also boycott Walmart... among a zillion other places.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

As for boycotting Citgo.. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Citgo franchises are privately owned. So on one hand, if I boycott Citgo, i'm taking $ away from Chavez's evil regime but on the other hand, i'm taking $ out of the hands of American business owners.
C'mon, reactionary boycotts are the best...nevermind the fact that China will just buy all the gas Citgo isn't selling here, your 20 bucks will really show those bastards in Caracas.

[Jax_mtl]

If Chavez was not courting Cuba and Iran so visually, I would say you are correct. Since he is working against as often as he possibly can, no, fuck that guy. He is taunting us, and using his oil funds to gain a foothold with people who wish us ill.

Isn't propaganda wonderful?
I hate all politicians...

[Dawgnuts]

I would argue that maybe is true if more than 25% of the American public had voted for him. I talk shit all the time on Bush, Harper, Blair, Chirac, etc. I must either love talking shit on my own country and every other country in the world, or I call em as I see em. Dissin' Bush does not equate with insulting Americans... If that were the case, half of America would be anti-American.


Yes it does. It insults me a man who voted for him, in which I am American.

There is a difference between criticizing what someone does and calling him a devil and talking shit.

[Hostilesouthern]

C'mon, reactionary boycotts are the best...nevermind the fact that China will just buy all the gas Citgo isn't selling here, your 20 bucks will really show those bastards in Caracas.


That's good when China pollutes their countryside into complete shitholes. Let them buy as much as they desire. It's already one of the most polluted places in the world.

[Diana E]

C'mon, reactionary boycotts are the best...nevermind the fact that China will just buy all the gas Citgo isn't selling here, your 20 bucks will really show those bastards in Caracas.

Yeah, gas boycotts are silly. If someone feels righteous enough to not buy, i'm sure there's 5 other people to that don't suffer from over inflated egos fueled by indignation. The older I get the more I realize how fuckin ridiculous egos are.

[Jax_mtl]

Yes it does. It insults me a man who voted for him, in which I am American.

There is a difference between criticizing what someone does and calling him a devil and talking shit.

Just cause you're insulted doesn't mean he was insulting Americans... 75% of Americans did not vote for Bush (50% didn't vote at all).

And there is a big difference between criticism and shit talking... which is why I'm surprised everyone is so offended over childish name calling.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

Yeah, gas boycotts are silly. If someone feels righteous enough to not buy, i'm sure there's 5 other people to that don't suffer from over inflated egos fueled by indignation. The older I get the more I realize how fuckin ridiculous egos are.
And that's today's lesson. Hugo Chavez is just one more egotistical meglomaniac in a world full of them.

[Dawgnuts]

Just cause you're insulted doesn't mean he was insulting Americans... 75% of Americans did not vote for Bush (50% didn't vote at all).

And there is a big difference between criticism and shit talking... which is why I'm surprised everyone is so offended over childish name calling.


nevermind.

[Hostilesouthern]

Yeah, gas boycotts are silly. If someone feels righteous enough to not buy, i'm sure there's 5 other people to that don't suffer from over inflated egos fueled by indignation. The older I get the more I realize how fuckin ridiculous egos are.


yeah well that's my principals and that's all I care about. I don't tell others how to live right cause it's not my place.

[Nutter]

Just cause you're insulted doesn't mean he was insulting Americans... 75% of Americans did not vote for Bush (50% didn't vote at all).

And there is a big difference between criticism and shit talking... which is why I'm surprised everyone is so offended over childish name calling.

Why are you even attempting to comment on how americans should feel about a scumbag south america dictator that enjoys talking shit about america, americans and our president when your not even from our country? How about keeping your two cents out of it until he comes to canada and starts making comments about your country.

[Diana E]

yeah well that's my principals and that's all I care about. I don't tell others how to live right cause it's not my place.

There's a difference between principles and ego. Those who react based on their indignation seldomly follow through and stick to a course of action. Those who act on their principles do. That comment was not pointed at you.

[Jax_mtl]

Why are you even attempting to comment on how americans should feel about a scumbag south america dictator that enjoys talking shit about america, americans and our president when your not even from our country? How about keeping your two cents out of it until he comes to canada and starts making comments about your country.

I don't presume to think I have the right to tell anyone how to feel. I'm just wondering why anyone is bothered by the comments of an idiot about your president. If he were to say the same thing about our prime minister, I doubt I would be getting my panties in a twist. The guy is nuts, and is playing on typical propaganda slogans to win over other crazy people.

Also I asked before, and no one has answered. I didn't see this shit, and am wondering if he made comments only on the president, or if he insulted the American public directly.

[weknowhowtolive]

Why are you even attempting to comment on how americans should feel about a scumbag south america dictator that enjoys talking shit about america, americans and our president when your not even from our country? How about keeping your two cents out of it until he comes to canada and starts making comments about your country.Ding ding ding!! We have a winner folks!

I can make fun of Bush, call him a douche, call him the devil. Im American, i voted for him the second time.

Some fatfuck commie, thats a different story.

[Hostilesouthern]

There's a difference between principles and ego. Those who react based on their indignation seldomly follow through and stick to a course of action. Those who act on their principles do. That comment was not pointed at you.


Thanks asshole, now I can not get all uppity. Cock blocker.

[Jax_mtl]

I can make fun of Bush, call him a douche, call him the devil. Im American, i voted for him the second time.

Some fatfuck commie, thats a different story.

This is what I was looking for. This was the kind of explanation that makes sense to me.

[Diana E]

Thanks asshole, now I can not get all uppity. Cock blocker.


Stop it, you're turning me on and i'm vulnerable right now.

[E4 jon]

Chavez should take a leaf from Brian Clough - a one time great English Football manager..."It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it".

[Nutter]

I don't presume to think I have the right to tell anyone how to feel. I'm just wondering why anyone is bothered by the comments of an idiot about your president. If he were to say the same thing about our prime minister, I doubt I would be getting my panties in a twist. The guy is nuts, and is playing on typical propaganda slogans to win over other crazy people.

Though you did presume... in your other posts. Choice of words is everything.

I am not upset about what he has to say about bush everyone has something to say about him. I dont really care. I have issue with his statements about america and americans. As I assume you would have issue if he came to canada and made statements about your country and its people. You dont have to agree with the politics of your leaders but you have to support your country.

[Diana E]

Chavez should take a leaf from Brian Clough - a one time great English Football manager..."It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it".

Ironically, fools don't think that deep. Besides, without fools we wouldn't have threads like this one.

[Jax_mtl]

Though you did presume... in your other posts. Choice of words is everything.

I am not upset about what he has to say about bush everyone has something to say about him. I dont really care. I have issue with his statements about america and americans. As I assume you would have issue if he came to canada and made statements about your country and its people. You dont have to agree with the politics of your leaders but you have to support your country.

What did he say about Americans? As I asked, since I did not see this infamous 'speech', what he said about Americans. All the news talks about is Chavez calling Bush the Devil... but did anyone see what else he said about the American public?

I stand by my fellow people... not my leaders, which is why I don't equate insulting leaders with insulting the people. Duncan's answer is the one I was looking for... other people seem to be responding from a sense of personal attack, as opposed to saying only 'we' can insult our own.

Edit: Ya I just re-read my post, and I guess I was assuming that people taking Chavez's comments as a personal attack was illogical. I guess, I don't see attacks on Bush as attacks on Americans... Just like I don't see the Canadian government and people as the same.

[Nutter]

The speech he made were he called bush the devil or whatever it was didnt include anything about americans because it was given at a church in NYC.

His statments about americans and america in general have all been made while he was in cuba and back in his home country.

[ienjoybeer]

Weeeeeell in his defense, Bush really is the Devil.


hahahahah

[ienjoybeer]

I'd rather fund a government that feeds its people than one that uses the cash to finance its nuclear aspirations... or better yet, a privately owned company that barely even pays its share of taxes.


Let me just start by saying you know NOTHING about Venezuela if you think Chavez feeds his people. My man was born and raised there, and I've been there, buddy...and it isn't exactly the communist candy land you seem to think it is. It is RIDDLED with poverty. Outside of Maricaibo, Caracas, Margarita...and a few other tourist-laden areas...people have NOTHING. Chavez got into office the first time because of what was virtually a coup...and the second time because he fucked with the elections. That man has ruined that country.. I will hold the Venezuelans partially responsible, because they have blase attitudes towards taking action...but I NEVER want to hear anyone say that Chavez's government is taking the oil profits and putting them towards a greater good in that country. He's rolling back more human rights and democratic reforms every single day. It's a beautiful country...and the people are almost all good looking...but, the facade of Caracas has nothing on the rest of Venezuela.... So...shutcha mouf...:cool:

[Jax_mtl]

Let me just start by saying you know NOTHING about Venezuela if you think Chavez feeds his people. My man was born and raised there, and I've been there, buddy...and it isn't exactly the communist candy land you seem to think it is. It is RIDDLED with poverty. Outside of Maricaibo, Caracas, Margarita...and a few other tourist-laden areas...people have NOTHING. Chavez got into office the first time because of what was virtually a coup...and the second time because he fucked with the elections. That man has ruined that country.. I will hold the Venezuelans partially responsible, because they have blase attitudes towards taking action...but I NEVER want to hear anyone say that Chavez's government is taking the oil profits and putting them towards a greater good in that country. He's rolling back more human rights and democratic reforms every single day. It's a beautiful country...and the people are almost all good looking...but, the facade of Caracas has nothing on the rest of Venezuela.... So...shutcha mouf...:cool:

Feeding people was a figure of speech. I'm saying I'd rather give my cash to a government which puts it's funds, however minimally, back into free healthcare or something that to the Middle East, where women are oppressed and the funds are used for uranium enrichment programs.
While Venezuela is no walk in the park, there still seems to be a lesser of two evils... and a lesser threat from one than the other.

[ienjoybeer]

Feeding people was a figure of speech. I'm saying I'd rather give my cash to a government which puts it's funds, however minimally, back into free healthcare or something that to the Middle East, where women are oppressed and the funds are used for uranium enrichment programs.
While Venezuela is no walk in the park, there still seems to be a lesser of two evils... and a lesser threat from one than the other.


So, you mean to tell me you're a fucking commie?
Cause, I'll tell you right now...I'm not fond of a lot of the legal infrastructure of free trade and the unbridled allowances of big business...but, it seems to me that you are a little naive if you think Chavez is the lesser of two evils. He may have cared about the people at once...but, whatever "equality" he believed in has been washed down the drain by his lavish wardrobe, cars, homes...etc..etc.. Go to Venezuela for a year. I somehow doubt you'd make it back alive. Two people we knew got shot last month....The homicide rate is through the roof...and they kill gringos like you....

[ienjoybeer]

So, you mean to tell me you're a fucking commie?
Cause, I'll tell you right now...I'm not fond of a lot of the legal infrastructure of free trade and the unbridled allowances of big business...but, it seems to me that you are a little naive if you think Chavez is the lesser of two evils. He may have cared about the people at once...but, whatever "equality" he believed in has been washed down the drain by his lavish wardrobe, cars, homes...etc..etc.. Go to Venezuela for a year. I somehow doubt you'd make it back alive. Two people we knew got shot last month....The homicide rate is through the roof...and they kill gringos like you....


I mean, I'm not saying the United States is any angel...but, if I were you I would pick another country to defend than Venezuela....

[Jax_mtl]

So, you mean to tell me you're a fucking commie?
Cause, I'll tell you right now...I'm not fond of a lot of the legal infrastructure of free trade and the unbridled allowances of big business...but, it seems to me that you are a little naive if you think Chavez is the lesser of two evils. He may have cared about the people at once...but, whatever "equality" he believed in has been washed down the drain by his lavish wardrobe, cars, homes...etc..etc.. Go to Venezuela for a year. I somehow doubt you'd make it back alive. Two people we knew got shot last month....The homicide rate is through the roof...and they kill gringos like you....

I'm not a commie... I'm a fuckin' hippie... Get it right.
Chavez is a fuckin' douchebag. But if I have to support with my cash either a country where the literacy rate is 40% or 98%, or choose between a country where women can be stoned to death legally or not... Well yes, then I'm choosing the latter. As I've said in other posts, I support local business above all else. But if I must choose between the two scenarios above... I'm taking Venezuela. And like I said... not a fuckin' walk in the park... meaning I would rather not have to choose in favor of a dictatorship which oppresses it's people ever. But sometimes, life makes you choose between two bad options.

[Jax_mtl]

I mean, I'm not saying the United States is any angel...but, if I were you I would pick another country to defend than Venezuela....

Not defending it... just less bad than the Middle East in my opinion.
Plus, it's always fun to play the other side on this board :tongue:

[ienjoybeer]

I'm not a commie... I'm a fuckin' hippie... Get it right.
Chavez is a fuckin' douchebag. But if I have to support with my cash either a country where the literacy rate is 40% or 98%, or choose between a country where women can be stoned to death legally or not... Well yes, then I'm choosing the latter. As I've said in other posts, I support local business above all else. But if I must choose between the two scenarios above... I'm taking Venezuela. And like I said... not a fuckin' walk in the park... meaning I would rather not have to choose in favor of a dictatorship which oppresses it's people ever. But sometimes, life makes you choose between two bad options.



I'm sorry.......



Yeah...well, my smelly, hallucinogenic drug taking friend... I'm just going to leave this topic alone...because...right now...I don't think you have any clue what it's like....But, If you ever wanted a ideological ass-kicking...there or brazil...is where you need to go. I'll let that speak for itself.

Oh and...if you would rather go live there...go for it. It's just too bad you aren't willing do more to help the problems at home then to complain about them and tell everyone how you'd rather live under a communist dictator.... We need help...not complainers..


:edit: oh sorry...you're canadian....haha...now I know why you're not getting the picture...eh??

[Jax_mtl]

I'm sorry.......



Yeah...well, my smelly, hallucinogenic drug taking friend... I'm just going to leave this topic alone...because...right now...I don't think you have any clue what it's like....But, If you ever wanted a ideological ass-kicking...there or brazil...is where you need to go. I'll let that speak for itself.

Oh and...if you would rather go live there...go for it. It's just too bad you aren't willing do more to help the problems at home then to complain about them and tell everyone how you'd rather live under a communist dictator.... We need help...not complainers..

Can you read? I said given a shitty choice between Venezuelan oil and Middle East oil, I take the former. Following that I said, it's a choice I'd rather have to avoid altogether... which is actually pretty true, cause I don't drive or heat with gas. But I don't differentiate between left or right-wing dictators... same shit to me... they both suck.
As for helping out problems at home, don't presume to know what I do for my community. Just cause I bitch on this board about anything and everything does not mean than I refuse to be constructive in my offline time.

[Hostilesouthern]

Can you read? I said given a shitty choice between Venezuelan oil and Middle East oil, I take the former. Following that I said, it's a choice I'd rather have to avoid altogether... which is actually pretty true, cause I don't drive or heat with gas. But I don't differentiate between left or right-wing dictators... same shit to me... they both suck.
As for helping out problems at home, don't presume to know what I do for my community. Just cause I bitch on this board about anything and everything does not mean than I refuse to be constructive in my offline time.


Ok I'll buy that, why not support the gas companies that export oil from your nation over both Chavez and the ME?

Not to be a dickhead, but it takes oil to make electricity. You do use gas.

[ienjoybeer]

Can you read? I said given a shitty choice between Venezuelan oil and Middle East oil, I take the former. Following that I said, it's a choice I'd rather have to avoid altogether... which is actually pretty true, cause I don't drive or heat with gas. But I don't differentiate between left or right-wing dictators... same shit to me... they both suck.
As for helping out problems at home, don't presume to know what I do for my community. Just cause I bitch on this board about anything and everything does not mean than I refuse to be constructive in my offline time.


Yeah, I can read... but...we get most of our oil from the Saudi's...and if it's not saudi oil...that's still where the $$ ends up...and I've never been to Dubai...but, I know a few people who lived there...and I'm pretty sure they don't stone women.... That's why it's stupid of you to defend Venezuela...

[Jax_mtl]

Ok I'll buy that, why not support the gas companies that export oil from your nation over both Chavez and the ME?

Not to be a dickhead, but it takes oil to make electricity. You do use gas.

Exactly... I live in Canada and would have that choice. Not everyone has that choice. I'm just saying, if I had to, I know where I'd rather see my money.

And no... electricity here is entirely generated by hydro-power. I also use the metro to travel, which also runs on hydro-electricity. So my consumption of gas is limited to when I travel out of town.

[ienjoybeer]

Yeah, I can read... but...we get most of our oil from the Saudi's...and if it's not saudi oil...that's still where the $$ ends up...and I've never been to Dubai...but, I know a few people who lived there...and I'm pretty sure they don't stone women.... That's why it's stupid of you to defend Venezuela...


And, the money that the middle east gets from oil elsewhere goes to socialized westernized motherfuckers in business suits...(ie..not the same people who make women wear burkas)... You should look to the Chinese if you want to point fingers on funding women abuse and building nuclear stockpiles...because THEY are funding countries like that...by buying their oil and forming strategic partnerships with them...

[ienjoybeer]

Exactly... I live in Canada and would have that choice. Not everyone has that choice. I'm just saying, if I had to, I know where I'd rather see my money.

And no... electricity here is entirely generated by hydro-power. I also use the metro to travel, which also runs on hydro-electricity. So my consumption of gas is limited to when I travel out of town.


I make bio-diesel in my garage....that's about it..

[Hostilesouthern]

Exactly... I live in Canada and would have that choice. Not everyone has that choice. I'm just saying, if I had to, I know where I'd rather see my money.

And no... electricity here is entirely generated by hydro-power. I also use the metro to travel, which also runs on hydro-electricity. So my consumption of gas is limited to when I travel out of town.


Unfortunately we have lots of NIMBYers - not in my back yard- Commiefornia would be a GREAT place for wind power but alas, NIMBY. The liberals in Mass. did that too with wind turbines. Fucking hypocrites.

[Jax_mtl]

Yeah, I can read... but...we get most of our oil from the Saudi's...and if it's not saudi oil...that's still where the $$ ends up...and I've never been to Dubai...but, I know a few people who lived there...and I'm pretty sure they don't stone women.... That's why it's stupid of you to defend Venezuela...

Dubai is a Western city, inhabited by 80% foreigners... travel outside of Dubai into the rest of that shit, and well it's another story. And yes, Saudi Arabia is better than Iran, Iraq, etc. But those other shithole countries still supply America with oil.

[weknowhowtolive]

Unfortunately we have lots of NIMBYers - not in my back yard- Commiefornia would be a GREAT place for wind power but alas, NIMBY. The liberals in Mass. did that too with wind turbines. Fucking hypocrites.Depends on the part of CA. If you drive through death valley, there are areas with windmills as far as the eye can see.

[Jax_mtl]

Unfortunately we have lots of NIMBYers - not in my back yard- Commiefornia would be a GREAT place for wind power but alas, NIMBY. The liberals in Mass. did that too with wind turbines. Fucking hypocrites.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term NIMBY :redface:

[ienjoybeer]

Dubai is a Western city, inhabited by 80% foreigners... travel outside of Dubai into the rest of that shit, and well it's another story. And yes, Saudi Arabia is better than Iran, Iraq, etc. But those other shithole countries still supply America with oil.

Alright...but the money that goes back to those countries goes to oil executives and pro-arab kings...not abdullah tribesmen out in opiumland afghanistan...

Once again...you want to point fingers...China's your country.

[Dawgnuts]

I agree with that as well, but no one should be forced to do so. I buy locally cause it's usually cheaper and I like growing my own economy.

Kmart was once one of the largest retailers in America, but their service and goods got uber shitty and they went under.

Wal-Mart may learn from those mistakes...only time will tell. I refuse to step foot in a Wal-Mart, either way.


Walmart=awsome.

BTW walmart is starting a program in florida offering generic prescriptions for $4 for anyone, insured or not. Over 300 somehting drugs are apart of the program. Soon to go nation wide.

Walmart will go nowhere.

I don't understand everyones gripe with walmart. It started out just like the rest of the mom and pop stores. Its their fault they succeeded?

[Dawgnuts]

Dubai is a Western city, inhabited by 80% foreigners... travel outside of Dubai into the rest of that shit, and well it's another story. And yes, Saudi Arabia is better than Iran, Iraq, etc. But those other shithole countries still supply America with oil.


Not with as much as you would like to beleive. Canada supplies america with more oil then any other country.

[Jax_mtl]

Not with as much as you would like to beleive. Canada supplies america with more oil then any other country.

They all sell less oil to you than we do. So I think you should boycott all oil companies that are not American or Canadian :biggrin:

[Hostilesouthern]

Walmart=awsome.

BTW they walmart is starting a program in florida offering generic prescriptions for $4 for anyone, insured or not. Over 300 somehting drugs are apart of the program. Soon to go nation wide.

Walmart will go nowhere.

I don't understand everyones gripe with walmart. It started out just like the rest of the mom and pop stores. Its their fault they succeeded?


Oh I have no issue wth them being big business, it's the rampant Eminent Domain abuse that is SOP with Walmart. I am exercising my capitalistic right to not shop there. That's all.

That and every cook out I have been to where someone picked up meat from that place has always been awful. I am not in favor of factory farming. I will only buy free range meat, chicken and eggs.

[ienjoybeer]

Walmart=awsome.

BTW they walmart is starting a program in florida offering generic prescriptions for $4 for anyone, insured or not. Over 300 somehting drugs are apart of the program. Soon to go nation wide.

Walmart will go nowhere.

I don't understand everyones gripe with walmart. It started out just like the rest of the mom and pop stores. Its their fault they succeeded?


I like to let everyone have their own opinons...maybe with the exception of canadian hippes....
But, walmart has done a lot wrong. Walmart was one in a long line of many to start importing chinese made goods for mass consumption...and because of that, it has not only sent a lot of manufacturing jobs out to China (who is now quietly threatening the united states with the incredible army we helped it build by selling shower curtains for $3.99), it has filled our landfills with useless junk that breaks quickly. They've defaced the idea of workmanship.
I think walmart is disgraceful... cheap...enticingly cheap...but, disgraceful.

[Dawgnuts]

Oh I have no issue wth them being big business, it's the rampant Eminent Domain abuse that is SOP with Walmart. I am exercising my capitalistic right to not shop there. That's all.

That and every cook out I have been to where someone picked up meat from that place has always been awful. I am not in favor of factory farming. I will only buy free range meat, chicken and eggs.


Oh thats a given. I don't buy meat from walmart. Its gross. Their produce sucks too.


You have to give props to walmart though for this prescriptions deal.

[ienjoybeer]

Oh I have no issue wth them being big business, it's the rampant Eminent Domain abuse that is SOP with Walmart. I am exercising my capitalistic right to not shop there. That's all.

That and every cook out I have been to where someone picked up meat from that place has always been awful. I am not in favor of factory farming. I will only buy free range meat, chicken and eggs.



I'm down with free range/ organic shit too. After I stopped drinking that hormone infested milk...I stopped having allergic reactions...imagine that...

[Jax_mtl]

I don't understand everyones gripe with walmart. It started out just like the rest of the mom and pop stores. Its their fault they succeeded?

My gripe with Walmart:
-Started as a store that sold American made, and has succeeded by changing their slogan to selling anything that is cheaply made in foreign sweatshops. Walmart is hypocritical... it changed policies hurting American suppliers.
-Walmart makes $250 billion in profits every year, yet when one Quebec store voted to unionize they closed it saying it would no longer be profitable to keep the store open (may I add that the salary demands were increased to $9 from $7.50 which hardly puts a dent in their profits). These actions taken by Walmart were illegal, and are now being pursued in court.
-Walmart who makes more profit than the GDP of most countries on the planet cannot 'afford' to pay decent wages or benefits to its employees, who then cause the American taxpayer billions a year to provide the healthcare services that Walmart cannot afford to provide.
-Finally, whenever a Walmart opens in a neighbourhood, all other business disappears. Plus they're fuckin' ugly. A big box surrounded by a giant parking lot. Ugly!

[Hostilesouthern]

Doing business with China is not my largest complaint, in some ways creating capitalism in a communist country is the best way to destroy communism. Problem is, for me, they have a tax shelter we do not have, encouraging business to send jobs there. Their enviro regulations are fuckin' nil.

We have uneven trade relations with China, at our disadvantage. It's not a free market at all with them.

[Dawgnuts]

I like to let everyone have their own opinons...maybe with the exception of canadian hippes....
But, walmart has done a lot wrong. Walmart was one in a long line of many to start importing chinese made goods for mass consumption...and because of that, it has not only sent a lot of manufacturing jobs out to China (who is now quietly threatening the united states with the incredible army we helped it build by selling shower curtains for $3.99), it has filled our landfills with useless junk that breaks quickly. They've defaced the idea of workmanship.
I think walmart is disgraceful... cheap...enticingly cheap...but, disgraceful.


Who do you think is gonna make all that shit in america? The unemployment rate is like 5.5%. They have like 4 times our population and are a mass production country.

I think people who think walmart is disgraceful are disgracful.

BTW Walmart started out as a "Made In America" company. That was their whole catch in the 80s/90s.

[Jax_mtl]

I'm down with free range/ organic shit too. After I stopped drinking that hormone infested milk...I stopped having allergic reactions...imagine that...

So much better for health and the environment.
I just found out that hormone milk is allowed in the U.S. which I find astonishing... as it's never been approved here for it's potential human health risks.

[ienjoybeer]

Doing business with China is not my largest complaint, in some ways creating capitalism in a communist country is the best way to destroy communism. Problem is, for me, they have a tax shelter we do not have, encouraging business to send jobs there. Their enviro regulations are fuckin' nil.

We have uneven trade relations with China, at our disadvantage. It's not a free market at all with them.

I know what you are saying...but, if the government is resolved and they've got plans...they'll use the $$ they make off of their capitalistic ventures and build their military to the point of no return...like they have.

And, on top of it...we are massively in debt with them...and still sinking...that's just not cool.

[Hostilesouthern]

I'm down with free range/ organic shit too. After I stopped drinking that hormone infested milk...I stopped having allergic reactions...imagine that...


See now, again, this is an excellent local way to build up our economy and create jobs that have ZERO to do with government and, it's just a healthier way of eating.

I'm into America being as independent as possible, while still fostering trade relations.

[King of all Buffets]

Dubai is a Western city, inhabited by 80% foreigners... travel outside of Dubai into the rest of that shit, and well it's another story. And yes, Saudi Arabia is better than Iran, Iraq, etc. But those other shithole countries still supply America with oil.

A friend of mine said that the first thing you see whne you get off the plane in Dubai, is a TGI Fridays :biggrin:

[ienjoybeer]

A friend of mine said that the first thing you see whne you get off the plane in Dubai, is a TGI Fridays :biggrin:


jesus.... it's always friday in dubai, too, huh?

[Hostilesouthern]

I know what you are saying...but, if the government is resolved and they've got plans...they'll use the $$ they make off of their capitalistic ventures and build their military to the point of no return...like they have.

And, on top of it...we are massively in debt with them...and still sinking...that's just not cool.


Oh I hear that, the best way to take down their government is create privately held wealth. I mean, think about it, in a land war, China has the edge. They are unable to match us militarily, but I would not want to hedge that bet just yet.

[Dawgnuts]

My gripe with Walmart:
-Started as a store that sold American made, and has succeeded by changing their slogan to selling anything that is cheaply made in foreign sweatshops. Walmart is hypocritical... it changed policies hurting American suppliers.
-Walmart makes $250 billion in profits every year, yet when one Quebec store voted to unionize they closed it saying it would no longer be profitable to keep the store open (may I add that the salary demands were increased to $9 from $7.50 which hardly puts a dent in their profits). These actions taken by Walmart were illegal, and are now being pursued in court.
-Walmart who makes more profit than the GDP of most countries on the planet cannot 'afford' to pay decent wages or benefits to its employees, who then cause the American taxpayer billions a year to provide the healthcare services that Walmart cannot afford to provide.
-Finally, whenever a Walmart opens in a neighbourhood, all other business disappears. Plus they're fuckin' ugly. A big box surrounded by a giant parking lot. Ugly!


Do you eat at mcdonalds? Buy exxon/chevron/BP/or any gas? Do you shop at any major chain? All major corporations make billions a year. Whether its 100 billion or 250 billion doesn't matter.

And walmart does have healthcare for employee's.

BTW nobody makes anybody work at walmart. If it was really as bad as you say nobody would work there and it would go under. Clearly thats not the case.

[ienjoybeer]

See now, again, this is an excellent local way to build up our economy and create jobs that have ZERO to do with government and, it's just a healthier way of eating.

I'm into America being as independent as possible, while still fostering trade relations.


Independence is key...I hate using them for an example sometimes......but look at the Dutch...they do it hydroponically...they've got some of the tastiest veggies in the world.

[Hostilesouthern]

Independence is key...I hate using them for an example sometimes......but look at the Dutch...they do it hydroponically...they've got some of the tastiest veggies in the world.


I'm down with certain business ventures in China, when it's done with companies not under strict government controls. If we can do it here, that's what I want to see.

Let's say there is an oil embargo from these left wing asshole countries. So much of our shit comes from other countries, it could cripple us for a short while, long enough to allow China to gain the economic advantage. Not just cheap crap like clocks, I mean as basic as pharmaceuticals.

[ienjoybeer]

Do you eat at mcdonalds? Buy exxon/chevron/BP/or any gas? Do you shop at any major chain? All major corporations make billions a year. Whether its 100 billion or 250 billion doesn't matter.

And walmart does have healthcare for employee's.

BTW nobody makes anybody work at walmart. If it was really as bad as you say nobody would work there and it would go under. Clearly thats not the case.


Putting wage disputes aside....what about all of the small businesses that have perished as a result of having a walmart every 5 square miles. Small business was the essense of americana....our own little dream..only to be replaced by plastic chinese bullshit...and fat toothless people making their way from the trailer park to go buy themselves some more useless garbage they don't need. Walmart helped fuel America's greedy shit-behavior. The Germans firebombed a walmart once, cause they wanted to make the employees work on Sunday...we just need to do just as the Germans did..and put those assholes in check.

[ienjoybeer]

I'm down with certain business ventures in China, when it's done with companies not under strict government controls. If we can do it here, that's what I want to see.

Let's say there is an oil embargo from these left wing asshole countries. So much of our shit comes from other countries, it could cripple us for a short while, long enough to allow China to gain the economic advantage. Not just cheap crap like clocks, I mean as basic as pharmaceuticals.


That's why I'm so against having vital industry based in a foreign country...I don't give a fuck if it's the UK...We shouldn't put our health and well-being in the hands of foreign entities... I think that there should be restrictions on what we let get outsourced...and I believe that non-vital industry should be taxed if it's sending jobs out...no more tax loophole bullshit.

[Hostilesouthern]

That's why I'm so against having vital industry based in a foreign country...I don't give a fuck if it's the UK...We shouldn't put our health and well-being in the hands of foreign entities... I think that there should be restrictions on what we let get outsourced...and I believe that non-vital industry should be taxed if it's sending jobs out...no more tax loophole bullshit.


No, I'm into the FairTax. Invite industry to do business here and they will come. Penalties just do not work, there are always loopholes. Seriously, look into the FairTax. It's good for everyone's bottom line, even big business.

K- my kid is waking up from her nap so see y'all later.

[Dawgnuts]

Putting wage disputes aside....what about all of the small businesses that have perished as a result of having a walmart every 5 square miles. Small business was the essense of americana....our own little dream..only to be replaced by plastic chinese bullshit...and fat toothless people making their way from the trailer park to go buy themselves some more useless garbage they don't need. Walmart helped fuel America's greedy shit-behavior. The Germans firebombed a walmart once, cause they wanted to make the employees work on Sunday...we just need to do just as the Germans did..and put those assholes in check.


Why can they not do the same as Sam Walton did? Why is it Walmart has a restraint on mom and pop shops? They have the restraint on themselves. I really don't get how you think only walmart sells "plastic chinese bullshit". Those mom and pop stores sell the same shit at a higher price.

What Sam Walton created is the American dream.

How dare somebody be asked to work on sunday. Your right lets go destroy property because they sell stuff to cheap and don't pay a retard of a cashier 30 bucks an hour for scanning shit.

[ienjoybeer]

No, I'm into the FairTax. Invite industry to do business here and they will come. Penalties just do not work, there are always loopholes. Seriously, look into the FairTax. It's good for everyone's bottom line, even big business.

I'll look into it more...but, my pre-research opinion is that if we have to watch the government for abuses...we should do the same with big business...I think they get away with too damn much...and big businesses and governments aren't unlike eachother in that they control important aspects of life and economy... I guess I just like to know that someone is keeping tabs on big business and we don't fall into some orwellian/huxleyan world where everything is out of control and everyone is a drugged up, brainwashed consumer...
.....god...I just read that. I have no faith in people....

[weknowhowtolive]

Hahaha someone firebombed a walmart because they didnt want to work on Sunday? what a load of shit. If i need my employees to work on sunday and they dont want to, i fire them. Its simple as that. You applied for a job and gave me the hours you could work. If everyone tells me they cant work a day, and i have to hire someone willing to work those days, you lose your job. Buh bye. Fucking germans.

[Jax_mtl]

Do you eat at mcdonalds? Buy exxon/chevron/BP/or any gas? Do you shop at any major chain? All major corporations make billions a year. Whether its 100 billion or 250 billion doesn't matter.

And walmart does have healthcare for employee's.

BTW nobody makes anybody work at walmart. If it was really as bad as you say nobody would work there and it would go under. Clearly thats not the case.

From the Walmart site:
The Walmart employee benefit package includes superb, affordable health coverage for our associates which provides individual health coverage beginning under twenty dollars per pay period and family coverage under seventy-five dollars. Additionally, unlike many other available medical plans, after the first year, the Walmart employee benefit package has no lifetime maximum for most expenses.

From Wiki (while I don't like using Wiki, this article provides the links to all it's sources, including Business Week):
Another United States-specific criticism concerns Wal-Mart's health insurance. According to an October 2005 article in BusinessWeek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusinessWeek), Wal-Mart's health insurance covers 44% or approximately 572,000 of its 1.3 million U.S. workers. [43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-stepped-up) In comparison, Wal-Mart rival Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) insures approximately 96% of its 2,000 eligible workers. [44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-27) Further, Wal-Mart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-28) Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Scott) acknowledged benefits could improve by claiming Wal-Mart employees can get better value from taxpayer funded health care than from Wal-Mart's own health plans, "In some of our states, the public program may actually be a better value - with relatively high income limits to qualify, and low premiums."[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-29) On April 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_17), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006), Wal-Mart announced that it was making a health care plan available to part-time workers after only 1 year of service, instead of the prior 2 year requirement, as well as extending the coverage to include children.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan) The company estimates that this new change could add 150,000 workers to health coverage plans, if all eligible choose to take part.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan) However, there is concern that since the new plan provides a benefit only after a $1,000 deductible is paid ($6,000 for a family), many workers will be unable to afford the coverage and will opt not to participate in the plan.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan)

And finally from http://www.answers.com/topic/wal-mart-stores-inc:

In Canada Wal-Mart competes with the Hudson Bay Companys (http://www.answers.com/topic/hudson-s-bay-company) low cost department store Zellers (http://www.answers.com/topic/zellers), which is the second largest chain of discount department stores (http://www.answers.com/topic/department-store) in Canada after Wal-Mart.


Zellers, allows unionization, pays better wages, gives employees better benefits, and generally sells better merchandise.

I recognize that other people like Walmart, and it's your business if you want to shop there. But you wanted to know why people had beef... well here's a few reasons why.

[ienjoybeer]

Why can they not do the same as Sam Walton did? Why is it Walmart has a restraint on mom and pop shops? They have the restraint on themselves. I really don't get how you think only walmart sells "plastic chinese bullshit". Those mom and pop stores sell the same shit at a higher price.

What Sam Walton created is the American dream.

How dare somebody be asked to work on sunday. Your right lets go destroy property because they sell stuff to cheap and don't pay a retard of a cashier 30 bucks an hour for scanning shit.



Look, I see your point...and I agree with some aspects of it...and some I don't. But, Walmart is not the same walmart that Sam Walton had envisioned...I would hope...
And, I'm not dissing working on Sundays...I'm just saying...walmart never asked to be open on sunday after that.
I simply do not see the need to have 45 walmarts in any given suburban city...
And...as for the shit they sell.....I would rather pay more for shit that lasts forever...than pay less money to have something last for a little while. I have never bought anything at walmart, with the exception of my bathroom wastebin...that has lasted like it would, otherwise. Everything I buy there is crap...so you know what....instead of getting a cheap knife set with 20 knives for $20...I buy a wusthoff every 6 months or something. I'll throw walmart knives away in two, three years...but, the wusthoffs will last me the rest of my life.
It promotes consumerism to the degree where it's not useful consumerism...but, instead that people are addicted to buying shit...
Again...that's my opinion..and my cash to spend...

[weknowhowtolive]

I love this part.

"Wal-Mart's health insurance covers 44% or approximately 572,000 of its 1.3 million U.S. workers. [43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-stepped-up) In comparison, Wal-Mart rival Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) insures approximately 96% of its 2,000 eligible workers."

What a fucking bunch of crap.

2000 employees from a store ive never heard of does not a rival make.

Notice the wording. "insures approximately 96% of its 2000 ELIGIBLE workers."

[ienjoybeer]

Hahaha someone firebombed a walmart because they didnt want to work on Sunday? what a load of shit. If i need my employees to work on sunday and they dont want to, i fire them. Its simple as that. You applied for a job and gave me the hours you could work. If everyone tells me they cant work a day, and i have to hire someone willing to work those days, you lose your job. Buh bye. Fucking germans.


It wasn't a lazy thing... See...in other countries people don't generally like to work themselves into a coronary... And, there is a large christian population in germany that still observes the sabbath...it's family...and..you know...god time. I think it's a healthier attitude than a majority of americans have towards work and family....but, again...just an opinion.

[weknowhowtolive]

It wasn't a lazy thing... See...in other countries people don't generally like to work themselves into a coronary... And, there is a large christian population in germany that still observes the sabbath...it's family...and..you know...god time. I think it's a healthier attitude than a majority of americans have towards work and family....but, again...just an opinion.What the fuck? How does working on a Sunday give you a coronary? What a bunch of pussies.

[Dawgnuts]

From the Walmart site:
The Walmart employee benefit package includes superb, affordable health coverage for our associates which provides individual health coverage beginning under twenty dollars per pay period and family coverage under seventy-five dollars. Additionally, unlike many other available medical plans, after the first year, the Walmart employee benefit package has no lifetime maximum for most expenses.

From Wiki (while I don't like using Wiki, this article provides the links to all it's sources, including Business Week):
Another United States-specific criticism concerns Wal-Mart's health insurance. According to an October 2005 article in BusinessWeek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusinessWeek), Wal-Mart's health insurance covers 44% or approximately 572,000 of its 1.3 million U.S. workers. [43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-stepped-up) In comparison, Wal-Mart rival Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) insures approximately 96% of its 2,000 eligible workers. [44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-27) Further, Wal-Mart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-28) Wal-Mart CEO Lee Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Scott) acknowledged benefits could improve by claiming Wal-Mart employees can get better value from taxpayer funded health care than from Wal-Mart's own health plans, "In some of our states, the public program may actually be a better value - with relatively high income limits to qualify, and low premiums."[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-29) On April 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_17), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006), Wal-Mart announced that it was making a health care plan available to part-time workers after only 1 year of service, instead of the prior 2 year requirement, as well as extending the coverage to include children.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan) The company estimates that this new change could add 150,000 workers to health coverage plans, if all eligible choose to take part.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan) However, there is concern that since the new plan provides a benefit only after a $1,000 deductible is paid ($6,000 for a family), many workers will be unable to afford the coverage and will opt not to participate in the plan.[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-newplan)

And finally from http://www.answers.com/topic/wal-mart-stores-inc:

In Canada Wal-Mart competes with the Hudson Bay Companys (http://www.answers.com/topic/hudson-s-bay-company) low cost department store Zellers (http://www.answers.com/topic/zellers), which is the second largest chain of discount department stores (http://www.answers.com/topic/department-store) in Canada after Wal-Mart.


Zellers, allows unionization, pays better wages, gives employees better benefits, and generally sells better merchandise.

I recognize that other people like Walmart, and it's your business if you want to shop there. But you wanted to know why people had beef... well here's a few reasons why.

What is the point of what you posted? That walmart coveres 572,000 people out of 1.3 million while another company covers 96% of its eligible 2,000 employees? how can you even compare the 2? For walmart it talks about all of its employees while for Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) its compares its eligible employees.

[weknowhowtolive]

What is the point of what you posted? That walmart coveres 572,000 people out of 1.3 million while another company covers 96% of its eligible 2,000 employees? how can you even compare the 2? For walmart it talks about all of its employees while for Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) its compares its eligible employees.hahahah exactly. Spin any harder?

This is a bunch of bullshit. If you dont like where you're working, dont work there. No ones forcing you, its not THAT hard to find a job, especially when you're as qualified as a Wal Mart employee. Go work at McDonalds, go work at Kohls, go work at Target if you think youll get paid better.

Bottom line is, ive worked 7 jobs, and this is the FIRST job ive ever had health insurance from.

[ienjoybeer]

What the fuck? How does working on a Sunday give you a coronary? What a bunch of pussies.


You're missing the point...Americans have more stress from more work...Who knows..you may like it...but, I know it stresses me the fuck out when I spend my life working and still have a hard time making the bills and feeding myself. I have two jobs..and go to school.
America is riddled with psychological problems and horrible attitudes towards family.. I think a day off to spend with the ones you love, relaxing is probably necessary. Keep in mind...human beings (as well as animals) weren't put on this earth, initially, to work in factories...this is a man-made development.
I believe in holding your own and working towards a brighter future. But, coming from a broken family myself...I sort of wish we would adopt a healthier attitude towards working and family...whether you think it makes people "pussies" or not.

[weknowhowtolive]

You're missing the point...Americans have more stress from more work...Who knows..you may like it...but, I know it stresses me the fuck out when I spend my life working and still have a hard time making the bills and feeding myself. I have two jobs..and go to school.
America is riddled with psychological problems and horrible attitudes towards family.. I think a day off to spend with the ones you love, relaxing is probably necessary. Keep in mind...human beings (as well as animals) weren't put on this earth, initially, to work in factories...this is a man-made development.
I believe in holding your own and working towards a brighter future. But, coming from a broken family myself...I sort of wish we would adopt a healthier attitude towards working and family...whether you think it makes people "pussies" or not.Are you telling me these german slaves were being forced to work 7 days a week? Or was Wal Mart saying "work Wd-Sun and get Monday and Tuesday off"

[Jax_mtl]

What is the point of what you posted? That walmart coveres 572,000 people out of 1.3 million while another company covers 96% of its eligible 2,000 employees? how can you even compare the 2? For walmart it talks about all of its employees while for Brown & Cole Stores (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown_%26_Cole_Stores&action=edit) its compares its eligible employees.

It's an example. There is no other store chain of comparable size to Walmart.
Forget it... ignore the comparison. Just read how many employees are insured at Walmart... not even half. Walmart claims on it's own website that it offers it's employees affordable insurance... yet not even half their staff is insured.
I like this tidbit better anyways.

Further, Wal-Mart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-28)

I will not encourage a company, without question, that does not support it's employees in a way that I deem fit. They do not insure enough of their staff (and even then the employees fork over a decent amount of their pay for that insurance coverage), they do not allow unionization, and I don't like their practices overall. They will never get my money.

[ienjoybeer]

Are you telling me these german slaves were being forced to work 7 days a week? Or was Wal Mart saying "work Wd-Sun and get Monday and Tuesday off"
Nevermind, man...nevermind. I'm not gonna argue an ideological difference with you... But, yeah..they were being asked to work 7 days a week, from what I understand.

[Dawgnuts]

You're missing the point...Americans have more stress from more work...Who knows..you may like it...but, I know it stresses me the fuck out when I spend my life working and still have a hard time making the bills and feeding myself. I have two jobs..and go to school.
America is riddled with psychological problems and horrible attitudes towards family.. I think a day off to spend with the ones you love, relaxing is probably necessary. Keep in mind...human beings (as well as animals) weren't put on this earth, initially, to work in factories...this is a man-made development.
I believe in holding your own and working towards a brighter future. But, coming from a broken family myself...I sort of wish we would adopt a healthier attitude towards working and family...whether you think it makes people "pussies" or not.


You make no sense. In one post your saying how america has shipped away all of its factory jobs then in the next your saying we are all factory workers.

I don't see how you dont have time to spend with your family. You work 8 out of 24 hours in a day.

[weknowhowtolive]

It's an example. There is no other store chain of comparable size to Walmart.
Forget it... ignore the comparison. Just read how many employees are insured at Walmart... not even half. Walmart claims on it's own website that it offers it's employees affordable insurance... yet not even half their staff is insured.
I like this tidbit better anyways.

Further, Wal-Mart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-28)

I will not encourage a company, without question, that does not support it's employees in a way that I deem fit. They do not insure enough of their staff (and even then the employees fork over a decent amount of their pay for that insurance coverage), they do not allow unionization, and I don't like their practices overall. They will never get my money.Every place ive ever worked offers bini's only to full time 40 hour a week or more employees. Some kid who works as a checker at walmart 15 hours a week after school doesnt and shouldnt get bini's.

At my store, im the only person with health insurance. that means only about 15% of the employees are covered. I guess we're worse than walmart :frown:

[ienjoybeer]

You make no sense. In one post your saying how america has shipped away all of its factory jobs then in the next your saying we are all factory workers.

I don't see how you dont have time to spend with your family. You work 8 out of 24 hours in a day.


Are you just picking shit out of my posts and over generalizing them cause you want to piss me off...or are you really that illiterate? Cause, as of yet you haven't presented any of your political philosophy..you've just been criticizing mine. It's like you want everyone to know you work for a living...we get it pal. You don't have to shove it down people's throats when you dont agree...aight?!

[Dawgnuts]

It's an example. There is no other store chain of comparable size to Walmart.
Forget it... ignore the comparison. Just read how many employees are insured at Walmart... not even half. Walmart claims on it's own website that it offers it's employees affordable insurance... yet not even half their staff is insured.
I like this tidbit better anyways.

Further, Wal-Mart spends an average of $3,500 per employee for health care, 27% less than the retail-industry average of $4,800.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wal-Mart#_note-28)

I will not encourage a company, without question, that does not support it's employees in a way that I deem fit. They do not insure enough of their staff (and even then the employees fork over a decent amount of their pay for that insurance coverage), they do not allow unionization, and I don't like their practices overall. They will never get my money.

572,000 out of 1.2 million right? And it also said it takes 2 years for part time employees to become covered right? What do you think the turnover rate is at walmart? I doubt more then half of the employees at walmart have worked there for years.

They spend 3,500 while other spend 4,800. Do you not think they get better rates for employing twice as many people then the rest of the retail industry?

Why do you not factor all of this in when you think about shit? why should they allow unionization? Its should be their choice if they want to and they don't.

[weknowhowtolive]

Nevermind, man...nevermind. I'm not gonna argue an ideological difference with you... But, yeah..they were being asked to work 7 days a week, from what I understand.So rather than quitting and finding a better job, they firebombed their workplace? Thats gunna make your boss wanna do something for you.

Its fucking disgusting. When did people start thinking that their job was there for them. Its not. You are there for the employer. If you arent doing your job, your employer should have every right to find someone else. If you cant meet all the requirements asked, you shouldnt be employed.

[Jax_mtl]

Every place ive ever worked offers bini's only to full time 40 hour a week or more employees. Some kid who works as a checker at walmart 15 hours a week after school doesnt and shouldnt get bini's.

At my store, im the only person with health insurance. that means only about 15% of the employees are covered. I guess we're worse than walmart :frown:

I don't know what to tell ya... but that Wall Street Journal article invests less than the average retail store in healthcare for employees. Either you've had bad luck, or just low expectations.
I'm just surprised that you guys don't seem to care that a billion dollar company doesn't do more for it's employees. I'm not even remotely affected by this, Walmart doesn't have pay any healthcare to Canadian employees, and I'm still pissed at their practices.

[ienjoybeer]

So rather than quitting and finding a better job, they firebombed their workplace? Thats gunna make your boss wanna do something for you.

Its fucking disgusting. When did people start thinking that their job was there for them. Its not. You are there for the employer. If you arent doing your job, your employer should have every right to find someone else. If you cant meet all the requirements asked, you shouldnt be employed.


You are really good at spinning things. The fact of the matter is you have no idea what I believe, and you should stop trying before you hurt yourself by trying to think too hard... I'm done with this topic, unless you want to pull your head out of your ass and have an educated conversation instead of a flame war.

[Dawgnuts]

Are you just picking shit out of my posts and over generalizing them cause you want to piss me off...or are you really that illiterate? Cause, as of yet you haven't presented any of your political philosophy..you've just been criticizing mine. It's like you want everyone to know you work for a living...we get it pal. You don't have to shove it down people's throats when you dont agree...aight?!


What does talking about walmart have to do with politics? I asked what everyones beef is with walmart and you responded so I responded to your response. what does this have to do with politics or what I do for work?

When have I said one thing about MY job or what I do or how hard I work. You are making up a bunch of bullshit rhetoric about walmart and I am debunking it and now your getting pissed.

Maybe you should ask your self the literacy question.

[Jax_mtl]

why should they allow unionization? Its should be their choice if they want to and they don't.

I don't know about American union laws, but here refusing employees to unionize is illegal. They know this before they set up shop here. So when a store voted to unionize and they refused... well that's illegal and I refuse to support a company who thinks they can come here and do whatever the fuck they want, with no regard to our laws.

[weknowhowtolive]

I don't know what to tell ya... but that Wall Street Journal article invests less than the average retail store in healthcare for employees. Either you've had bad luck, or just low expectations.
I'm just surprised that you guys don't seem to care that a billion dollar company doesn't do more for it's employees. I'm not even remotely affected by this, Walmart doesn't have pay any healthcare to Canadian employees, and I'm still pissed at their practices.What the fuck? WHY! Healthcare is something a job GIVES you, they arent REQUIRED. If you get hurt on the job, tax money goes to that. Its covered. It comes out of every pay check. If you cut your hand with a pair of scissors at home trying to open some plastic crap, why the fuck should your employer who had NOTHING to do with it, pay out of THEIR FUCKING POCKET because YOU got sick/hurt whatever?

[Jax_mtl]

So rather than quitting and finding a better job, they firebombed their workplace? Thats gunna make your boss wanna do something for you.

Its fucking disgusting. When did people start thinking that their job was there for them. Its not. You are there for the employer. If you arent doing your job, your employer should have every right to find someone else. If you cant meet all the requirements asked, you shouldnt be employed.

Foreign companies should not be allowed to come in and try and change the rules of the game. They should play by the 'laws of the land'.

[Gut Check]

You are really good at spinning things. The fact of the matter is you have no idea what I believe, and you should stop trying before you hurt yourself by trying to think too hard... I'm done with this topic, unless you want to pull your head out of your ass and have an educated conversation instead of a flame war.
You're from St. Pete, and educated conversation is impossible for you.

[weknowhowtolive]

You are really good at spinning things. The fact of the matter is you have no idea what I believe, and you should stop trying before you hurt yourself by trying to think too hard... I'm done with this topic, unless you want to pull your head out of your ass and have an educated conversation instead of a flame war.Everything i have said has been educated. I have experience in all this. Ive been managing a storefront since i was your age. What do you do for a living?

[Jax_mtl]

What the fuck? WHY! Healthcare is something a job GIVES you, they arent REQUIRED. If you get hurt on the job, tax money goes to that. Its covered. It comes out of every pay check. If you cut your hand with a pair of scissors at home trying to open some plastic crap, why the fuck should your employer who had NOTHING to do with it, pay out of THEIR FUCKING POCKET because YOU got sick/hurt whatever?

They don't have to do anything, just like I don't have to support shit I don't agree with. I demand more of companies... they make money off a community and should be more willing to reinvest in that community, which includes their employees.

[ienjoybeer]

What does talking about walmart have to do with politics? I asked what everyones beef is with walmart and you responded so I responded to your response. what does this have to do with politics or what I do for work?

When have I said one thing about MY job or what I do or how hard I work. You are making up a bunch of bullshit rhetoric about walmart and I am debunking it and now your getting pissed.

Maybe you should ask your self the literacy question.


I'm getting pissed because we are having a serious miscommunication...and I don't see how it is all my fault. I don't work 8 hours a day...I work 12-14....and I don't think we are all factory workers...it was an example... You are turning simple examples into extreme shit. I didn't say ALL of our jobs got shipped offshore. I'm saying that instead of giving china more money and incentive to build their military (which they aspire to use against us)...and getting ourselves farther in debt with them...that we should restrict what we outsource... I don't see how my words translate into yours. I'm sorry if I'm being hostile...but, fuck....

[weknowhowtolive]

Foreign companies should not be allowed to come in and try and change the rules of the game. They should play by the 'laws of the land'.I dont care about Wal Mart in Canada...in fact i dont care about Canada. You pointed out a statistic of US based Wal Marts and employees, we are talking about US Wal Marts.

[ienjoybeer]

You're from St. Pete, and educated conversation is impossible for you.


I know it sucks here....Thanks........You didn't have to remind me.

[weknowhowtolive]

They don't have to do anything, just like I don't have to support shit I don't agree with. I demand more of companies... they make money off a community and should be more willing to reinvest in that community, which includes their employees.Except, we're talking about capitalism here. It would be wonderful if there was no such thing as money and everyone traded goods like thousands of years ago...but, thats not what we're talking about.

[Jax_mtl]

I dont care about Wal Mart in Canada...in fact i dont care about Canada. You pointed out a statistic of US based Wal Marts and employees, we are talking about US Wal Marts.

Apparently I care about American employees getting squat from a company that claims to care about America. I shouldn't give a shit about insurance provided in the U.S., they don't have to here cause it's not a concern. But I do care about Americans who don't get coverage from Walmart, and therefore don't support them.

[ienjoybeer]

Everything i have said has been educated. I have experience in all this. Ive been managing a storefront since i was your age. What do you do for a living?


I handle mutual fund accounts for a fortune 500 company and waitress in the evenings......and go to school....I don't know how well that sits with you...but, I don't know that I care, either...

[Jax_mtl]

Except, we're talking about capitalism here. It would be wonderful if there was no such thing as money and everyone traded goods like thousands of years ago...but, thats not what we're talking about.

Haha... Walmart could fully insure all their employees and still make 249 billion in profits. Don't give me it's capitalism shit. Tons of companies insure employees, give them paid vacation, decent wages, allow them to unionize if they vote in favour of such, etc. and make millions in profits. I would rather support the latter companies than Walmart.

Plus, I was mentioning that business should respect the rules of the game where they open, in response to the Germany situation.... even in general. People here love to complain about immigrants that don't integrate enough, why should a company be any different?

[weknowhowtolive]

I handle mutual fund accounts for a fortune 500 company and waitress in the evenings......and go to school....I don't know how well that sits with you...but, I don't know that I care, either...Are you hot?

[ienjoybeer]

Are you hot?


Maybe...but, I'm engaged...so...

[weknowhowtolive]

Haha... Walmart could fully insure all their employees and still make 249 billion in profits. Don't give me it's capitalism shit. Tons of companies insure employees, give them paid vacation, decent wages, allow them to unionize if they vote in favour of such, etc. and make millions in profits. I would rather support the latter companies than Walmart.Sure, some guvment jobs give employees hundreds of hours off, paid sick leave, full binifits, etc. Of course, there's a big difference in counting change and putting your life on the line.

All im saying is, is not the employers job to give people paid sick leave, or binefits, or vacation time. They are bonus' and should be treated as such, not as a requirement. I DO think long time employees who do good work should get them. I dont think some kid walking in for a summer job should.

Look what happened to France, rioting and protesting as if these fucking KIDS ran the god damn places they worked at.

[weknowhowtolive]

Maybe...but, I'm engaged...so...So, what...you wanna cheat? I dunno if im cool with that.

[ienjoybeer]

So, what...you wanna cheat? I dunno if im cool with that.

No.....I was just worried you and your buddies were gonna gang up on me for boobie pics... hehe

[weknowhowtolive]

No.....I was just worried you and your buddies were gonna gang up on me for boobie pics... heheStill could happen.

[Jax_mtl]

Sure, some guvment jobs give employees hundreds of hours off, paid sick leave, full binifits, etc. Of course, there's a big difference in counting change and putting your life on the line.

All im saying is, is not the employers job to give people paid sick leave, or binefits, or vacation time. They are bonus' and should be treated as such, not as a requirement. I DO think long time employees who do good work should get them. I dont think some kid walking in for a summer job should.

Look what happened to France, rioting and protesting as if these fucking KIDS ran the god damn places they worked at.

Ok... Maybe it just in the U.S. that this is common practice to not give this shit to employees. Here I'm used to getting benefits, paid vacation, and so on. Some places are better than others, but I've never had a job that didn't have at least paid vacation time, and that includes shitty retail jobs I had in high school.

These companies are not forced, and I don't know if I'd want government regulating such a thing. But, just like companies are not forced to do such, I'm not forced to support these cheap asses with my money. Dawg asked about beef, and I explained myself. I will not shop at Walmart, because there are too many other places where I can get shit I need, and treat their employees well.

As for the problems in France, that is an issue related more to racism than anything else. France has major issues dealing with minorities, things that would be considered unacceptable in the U.S., and especially Canada.

[Dawgnuts]

No.....I was just worried you and your buddies were gonna gang up on me for boobie pics... hehe


Im more partial to butthole pics. So if you could shoot me a couple of those that would be great.

Walmart Rules! BTW I don't live in a trailor park or mising any teeth and I am secure in my job field.

[Jax_mtl]

Im more partial to butthole pics. So if you could shoot me a couple of those that would be great.

Walmart Rules!

Only you could talk about butthole pics and Walmart in the same post.

[weknowhowtolive]

Ok... Maybe it just in the U.S. that this is common practice to not give this shit to employees. Here I'm used to getting benefits, paid vacation, and so on. Some places are better than others, but I've never had a job that didn't have at least paid vacation time, and that includes shitty retail jobs I had in high school.

These companies are not forced, and I don't know if I'd want government regulating such a thing. But, just like companies are not forced to do such, I'm not forced to support these cheap asses with my money. Dawg asked about beef, and I explained myself. I will not shop at Walmart, because there are too many other places where I can get shit I need, and treat their employees well.

As for the problems in France, that is an issue related more to racism than anything else. France has major issues dealing with minorities, things that would be considered unacceptable in the U.S., and especially Canada.This is also the first job ive worked where i got paid vacation, and even now i get 5 days every 6 months, and only after working here a total of like 4 years did i get that.

[Jax_mtl]

This is also the first job ive worked where i got paid vacation, and even now i get 5 days every 6 months, and only after working here a total of like 4 years did i get that.

To me that's so fucking retarded. I got 11 days a year the first two years, 17 days after 3 years, and am now at 22 days after 5 years. That's not including sick days. And this is just a plain job... not some big career deal. This is not out of the ordinary... most jobs give something at least remotely similar. And I don't get medical insurance, well cause the government pays for that, but the company pays dental and eye care, as well as any medical not paid by medicare (private hospital rooms, or out of country insurance).
It's probably why I expect more of business.

[ienjoybeer]

Im more partial to butthole pics. So if you could shoot me a couple of those that would be great.

Walmart Rules! BTW I don't live in a trailor park or mising any teeth and I am secure in my job field.


Butthole pictures..eh? Thats a new one.

...well..you asked for it

[weknowhowtolive]

To me that's so fucking retarded. I got 11 days a year the first two years, 17 days after 3 years, and am now at 22 days after 5 years. That's not including sick days. And this is just a plain job... not some big career deal. This is not out of the ordinary... most jobs give something at least remotely similar. And I don't get medical insurance, well cause the government pays for that, but the company pays dental and eye care, as well as any medical not paid by medicare (private hospital rooms, or out of country insurance).
It's probably why I expect more of business.Haha nuts. isnt your country in as much if not more financial trouble than mine? I honestly dont know.

[Jax_mtl]

Haha nuts. isnt your country in as much if not more financial trouble than mine? I honestly dont know.

Are you nuts? We've had a surplus budget for years... while providing more social services. We just don't have the same military power. And we don't really pay more income tax than you either... just higher sales tax on "non-essential" goods (there's no sales tax on food, books, etc.).

[Dawgnuts]

Butthole pictures..eh? Thats a new one.

...well..you asked for it

Oh im wild girl. Ill take you to walmart for a wardrobe and guns then wine and dine you at sizzler.

[Dawgnuts]

Are you nuts? We've had a surplus budget for years... while providing more social services. We just don't have the same military power. And we don't really pay more income tax than you either... just higher sales tax on "non-essential" goods (there's no sales tax on food, books, etc.).


You do to pay a higher income tax.

[ienjoybeer]

Are you nuts? We've had a surplus budget for years... while providing more social services. We just don't have the same military power. And we don't really pay more income tax than you either... just higher sales tax on "non-essential" goods (there's no sales tax on food, books, etc.).


That's kind of cool.. Too bad your military sucks and your country is full of hippies....

[ienjoybeer]

Oh im wild girl. Ill take you to walmart for a wardrobe and guns then wine and dine you at sizzler.


Yeah...you know nobody else can turn their ass into a fountain quite like I can :wink:

[Dawgnuts]

Are you nuts? We've had a surplus budget for years... while providing more social services. We just don't have the same military power. And we don't really pay more income tax than you either... just higher sales tax on "non-essential" goods (there's no sales tax on food, books, etc.).


You had a fiscal surplus, your nation is still in debt just like ours and every other one in the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2003/10/22/surplus_031022.html

[ienjoybeer]

You had a fiscal surplus, your nation is still in debt just like ours and every other one in the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2003/10/22/surplus_031022.html

AND it's full of hippies with horrible accents....looks like I'm stayin' herrr in good old A-Merr-eecaaa

[Jax_mtl]

You do to pay a higher income tax.

We pay, on average, 5% higher (meaning the average family of 4, making an average income). Poor Canadians pay less income tax than poor Americans, and rich Canadians pay more tax than rich Americans. The average difference is pretty small when you consider how much more we'd have to pay for private insurance.

Here's a link, based on stats from Stats Canada:
http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/taxes.htm

[weknowhowtolive]

Are you nuts? We've had a surplus budget for years... while providing more social services. We just don't have the same military power. And we don't really pay more income tax than you either... just higher sales tax on "non-essential" goods (there's no sales tax on food, books, etc.).Tax are state to state here. Some states tax food, some dont.

I remember hearing something about how your health care system was failing and your debt was going up. Might have been noise.

[Jax_mtl]

You had a fiscal surplus, your nation is still in debt just like ours and every other one in the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/news/national/2003/10/22/surplus_031022.html

That's acc