Law-breaking illegal sues Wendy's for,er,being illegal.

[Blue Blood]

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou061006_jj_immigrationlawsuit.10e0eb65.html
So fast food restaurants are supposed to be in the immigration business?

[Tokyohoon]

Fuck 'em for being illegals, and fuck the assholes that hired 'em in the first place.

[Blue Blood]

Fuck 'em for being illegals, and fuck the assholes that hired 'em in the first place.
Agreed on both points.
This so-called immigration system is rotten,to the core.Completely disingenious,in name and action.

[tousunis]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Serves the pieces of shit right for hiring border-jumpers.

[Gun2Gun]

I fuck hate the phrase "Undocumented Worker". Political correctness makes me wanna blow my own brains out sometimes.

[Blue Blood]

How pathetic that the system is so easily corrupted that it's a financial gain for a huge chain corporation to cheat the system..even worth getting caught....WTF..How much money does one need to make...

[terrormachine]

How pathetic that the system is so easily corrupted that it's a financial gain for a huge chain corporation to cheat the system..even worth getting caught....WTF..How much money does one need to make...

It's the whole corporation versus loyalty to country situation. Now that the ladgest corporations are multi-national and located worldwide, there is no loyalty to their country or fellow citizens anymore...it's all about the bottom dollar. Buchanan had a great piece on this the other day.

www.buchanan.org

[militarymite]

Goes to show, never trust your employer no matter who you are. Employers always promise one thing and do another or nothing at all in this case. I was down in Escondido, CA this weekend and the city just past a law making it illegal for landlords to rent to undocumented citizens, otherwise they would be fined and lose their business licenses. Escondido is a small town in northern San Diego County.

[AttitudeSkin]

Illegal mexican worker: "Wait, I thought we were the ones who were doing the fucking!!! What the fuck is this shit? I came here illegally, took an illegal job that should have been done legally by an American, I don't pay taxes, and now they tell me they weren't being totally on the level with me? How dare they!"

Seriously, I don't think an illegal alien should be able to sue their under-the-table bosses for the 25 bucks a week they got jacked for, especially in an American court, until after they pay back all the taxes they should have been paying that fund the fucking court system they are now trying to exploit.

[Martina]

Well, this seems alot more complicated than someone with a stolen SSN just sueing Wendy's. Where the fuck was this $25.00 going?

The way I see it, he'll have some spending money to get back to Mexico once he's rembursed. The taxes were already paid on the stolen SSN number......

[church]

I know I'm gonna get hell for this so fuck it.

yes he is on the wrong for using the legal system to his avantage eventhough he is an illegal, is cases like this that show you that the judicial system of the country is dire need of improvement. with that said done how would any of you feel if the company you work for offerred you a benefit (such as health insurance) and took money out your paycheck to pay towards such benefit. Then imagine finding out that the one time you need such benefit the company tells you that not only is it not available, but because they fucked up you will not be able to get this benefit anymore, and that all the money you invested is lost. what would you do?

[AttitudeSkin]

I know I'm gonna get hell for this so fuck it.

yes he is on the wrong for using the legal system to his avantage eventhough he is an illegal, is cases like this that show you that the judicial system of the country is dire need of improvement. with that said done how would any of you feel if the company you work for offerred you a benefit (such as health insurance) and took money out your paycheck to pay towards such benefit. Then imagine finding out that the one time you need such benefit the company tells you that not only is it not available, but because they fucked up you will not be able to get this benefit anymore, and that all the money you invested is lost. what would you do?
I'd get a legal job where they deduct taxes from my check. This serves 2 purposes:

1: It insures that the federal government knows how much you make and can track any unlawful deductions.

2: It takes my taxes and funds courthouses where I can make my case, using the evidence gathered from #1.

Also, I wouldn't sink money into any service I have no guarantee on. Period.

He doesn't like it, he can go back to fucking mexico and get a job there. My tax dollars shouldn't have to pay so an illegal can sue an american for doing exactly what he's doing: working the system and conning people out of their money.

[Martina]

I'd get a legal job where they deduct taxes from my check. This serves 2 purposes:

1: It insures that the federal government knows how much you make and can track any unlawful deductions.

2: It takes my taxes and funds courthouses where I can make my case, using the evidence gathered from #1.

Also, I wouldn't sink money into any service I have no guarantee on. Period.

He doesn't like it, he can go back to fucking mexico and get a job there. My tax dollars shouldn't have to pay so an illegal can sue an american for doing exactly what he's doing: working the system and conning people out of their money.

No, your taxes shouldn't have to pay for a civil suit....maybe the laywer is doing this pro-bono?
I think Wendy's should have to pay the court costs if this proves to be true..

[Martina]

I know I'm gonna get hell for this so fuck it.

yes he is on the wrong for using the legal system to his avantage eventhough he is an illegal, is cases like this that show you that the judicial system of the country is dire need of improvement. with that said done how would any of you feel if the company you work for offerred you a benefit (such as health insurance) and took money out your paycheck to pay towards such benefit. Then imagine finding out that the one time you need such benefit the company tells you that not only is it not available, but because they fucked up you will not be able to get this benefit anymore, and that all the money you invested is lost. what would you do?

I know what I'd do. I fucking sue.
Has Wendy's corperations responded to this alligation yet?

[AttitudeSkin]

No, your taxes shouldn't have to pay for a civil suit....maybe the laywer is doing this pro-bono?
I think Wendy's should have to pay the court costs if this proves to be true..
My taxes pay for that judge to hear this shit, the courrt reporter to type this shit, and any jury compensation provided.

I'm also paying for the janitors, electricity, water, and heat for the building, as well as the building itself.

Somehow I doubt the lawyer would take a case like this pro-bono. It doesn't really fall into ACLU territory, unless the boss slapped him around and called him a beaner. And Al Sharpton ain't gonna help, because he hates mexicans.

[Martina]

My taxes pay for that judge to hear this shit, the courrt reporter to type this shit, and any jury compensation provided.

I'm also paying for the janitors, electricity, water, and heat for the building, as well as the building itself.

Somehow I doubt the lawyer would take a case like this pro-bono. It doesn't really fall into ACLU territory, unless the boss slapped him around and called him a beaner. And Al Sharpton ain't gonna help, because he hates mexicans.

You're also paying these costs for any other civil suit. You can't pick and choose what civil action gets heard and which ones do not.

But if I am not mistaken, I think I have heard court costs being charged to the loser.
If Wendy's did this....they sould be fined 10x the fee's.

[AttitudeSkin]

You're also paying these costs for any other civil suit. You can't pick and choose what civil action gets heard and which ones do not.

But if I am not mistaken, I think I have heard court costs being charged to the loser.
If Wendy's did this....they sould be fined 10x the fee's.
Yeah, because if this guy loses (which he will), you know he's going to hang around and pay the court costs.....:rolleyes:

[Blue Blood]

Don't start putting the cart before the horse on a simple one...
All involved at Wendy's management with this situation should be brought up on charges,including penalties..ie: jail time,fines,etc..Wendy's corporation/ownership should be heavily fined/imprisioned..and forced to impliment strict hiring procedures..you know,hiring LEGAL citizens..make it financially unworthy to take this chance again.
Toss the illegals the hell out.I don't give two shits if you're doing it for your family,follow the damn laws..(Of course why bother if we do not enforce them in the first place.)
Inforce the law.

[Scotskin]

Ok, here's how I see it:

Illegal, doing illegal job, which he had NO right to be doing, got fucked over and is crying about it. Since Wendy's or whoever, Cafe Express...whothefuckever, probably had ALOT more money and better lawyers than this wetback sonofabitch, and he will almost assuredly lose everything he has in this country as a result....where's the bad in this? Yeah so he's sueing...that's a shitty thing of him to do. He won't win. Not unless the bleeding heart liberals get a hold of this and hold him up as their fucking poster child for amnesty...and even if they do get a hold of him...the law will still rule against him and he'll be fucking deported.

One less fucking border jumper soiling my country. America:1 Wetback:0

[Blue Blood]

Ok, here's how I see it:


Illegal, doing illegal job, which he had NO right to be doing, got fucked over and is crying about it. Since Wendy's or whoever, Cafe Express...whothefuckever, probably had ALOT more money and better lawyers than this wetback sonofabitch, and he will almost assuredly lose everything he has in this country as a result....where's the bad in this? Yeah so he's sueing...that's a shitty thing of him to do. He won't win. Not unless the bleeding heart liberals get a hold of this and hold him up as their fucking poster child for amnesty...and even if they do get a hold of him...the law will still rule against him and he'll be fucking deported.

One less fucking border jumper soiling my country. America:1 Wetback:0

They(how many??) shouldn't be allowed to clog up the legal system(like attitudeskin said) in the first place,they're illegal.
What's the first thing to do with an illegal? Toss them out.

[weknowhowtolive]

Or there will be a bunch of crap from PC organizations, Wendys will get fed up and settle out of court so they dont have to deal with it. Plus all the mexican workers will get fired up. Wendys is gunna get fuked hard.

[AttitudeSkin]

They(how many??) shouldn't be allowed to clog up the legal system(like attitudeskin said) in the first place,they're illegal.
What's the first thing to do with an illegal? Toss them out.
Deportation by way of catapult. Put that shit on PPV to recover lost taxes not paid by the deportee.

[church]

Don't start putting the cart before the horse on a simple one...
All involved at Wendy's management with this situation should be brought up on charges,including penalties..ie: jail time,fines,etc..Wendy's corporation/ownership should be heavily fined/imprisioned..and forced to impliment strict hiring procedures..you know,hiring LEGAL citizens..make it financially unworthy to take this chance again.
Toss the illegals the hell out.I don't give two shits if you're doing it for your family,follow the damn laws..(Of course why bother if we do not enforce them in the first place.)
Inforce the law.
Man I really hate to say this (being messican and all) but you do have a point if the corp. would stop allowing illegals to work for them and if the system would actually make it very costly to this companies to hire illegals, we would not be having problems like this. that being said we need to remember that this great country was built in the principle of illegal imigration from all parts of the world (europe, africa, asia and even south america) unless you believe in the mormon belief of white isrealites living in america before the discovery of america and us mud bloods being non believers in the lord jesus christ.

[Blue Blood]

Deportation by way of catapult. Put that shit on PPV to recover lost taxes not paid by the deportee.
You're ahead of the curve....

[Blue Blood]

Man I really hate to say this (being messican and all) but you do have a point if the corp. would stop allowing illegals to work for them and if the system would actually make it very costly to this companies to hire illegals, we would not be having problems like this. that being said we need to remember that this great country was built in the principle of illegal imigration from all parts of the world (europe, africa, asia and even south america) unless you believe in the mormon belief of white isrealites living in america before the discovery of america and us mud bloods being non believers in the lord jesus christ.


WHOA! You got pretty heavy there...take it down a notch..FWIW,my family came here from(almost exclusively) from Ire. and sat their asses in Ellis Il. until cleared..no illegality that I know of.As a matter of fact a Nichols on my mum's side was eventually employed at Ellis Il.
Go figure.

[church]

sorry if I got heavy there it just very hard to be logical about the imigration problems when I get people around my area (mainly texan rednecks) telling me that I'm not american and so on an so on. We all come from different backgrounds and eventhough most europeans did come through the whole ellis island process, the way most people view illegals nowdays is as agroup of: lazy, trying to steal your jobs, druggies, god for nothing parasites. Granted there are a large quantity of assholes that come here just for a free meal, some have to come here as a last resort to be able to sustain their families. is the same argument that's been going on since this country was created. first it was british, tehn french, irish, germans, jews, puerto ricans, and the most recent one is mexicans is just our turn on the chopping block. and as for the whole mormon thing I just needed to vent about them...those guys freak me out!!

[AttitudeSkin]

Um, if you plan on sustaining your families by working illegally in the states: YOU ARE HERE TO STEAL OUR FUCKING JOBS. You're not paying taxes, you're less likely to buy american-made products, you're lowering wage averages, you work non-union in union fields, and you're propagating the idea that all this is ok.

Also, if you're sending money back to mexico, you're not only not helping the economy here, you're actively depleting it.

[weknowhowtolive]

Um, if you plan on sustaining your families by working illegally in the states: YOU ARE HERE TO STEAL OUR FUCKING JOBS. You're not paying taxes, you're less likely to buy american-made products, you're lowering wage averages, you work non-union in union fields, and you're propagating the idea that all this is ok.

Also, if you're sending money back to mexico, you're not only not helping the economy here, you're actively depleting it.Racist!!!

[Blue Blood]

Um, if you plan on sustaining your families by working illegally in the states: YOU ARE HERE TO STEAL OUR FUCKING JOBS. You're not paying taxes, you're less likely to buy american-made products, you're lowering wage averages, you work non-union in union fields, and you're propagating the idea that all this is ok.

Also, if you're sending money back to mexico, you're not only not helping the economy here, you're actively depleting it.

Case in point:Were the Wendxicans(har,har) using forged ssn's? or what?
I heard something on talk radio last week about this,is there a Federal # those awaiting legal status can get while working here? Basically the host made it sound as if illegals could aquire a tax # while awaiting status...Doesn't make sense to me,but nowadays who the fug knows...

[Jimmy]

The politics section has turned into a conservative circle jerk... sad.

[tiger beat]

Case in point:Were the Wendxicans(har,har) using forged ssn's? or what?
I heard something on talk radio last week about this,is there a Federal # those awaiting legal status can get while working here? Basically the host made it sound as if illegals could aquire a tax # while awaiting status...Doesn't make sense to me,but nowadays who the fug knows...Are you talking about an ITIN #?

The politics section has turned into a conservative circle jerk... sad.
Don't like the topic, don't click.

[Jimmy]

Are you talking about an ITIN #?


Don't like the topic, don't click.


I love the topic. Check the archives.

[Hostilesouthern]

The politics section has turned into a conservative circle jerk... sad.


This is not even a response. Americans are sick of this and since we actually live here and have the right to voice our opinions with immigration.

Where is the problem? With Americans or the social construct of Mexico? I freely admit the root cause of most of Mexico's social issues is (beating a dead hourse) the Drug War. Seems that working to end the Drug War would benefit both sides, moreso than trying to convince us that we should allow whomever wants to come here open access. Certainly that would benefit Mexico, all of Central and South America really.

[Jimmy]

This is not even a response. Americans are sick of this and since we actually live here and have the right to voice our opinions with immigration.

Where is the problem? With Americans or the social construct of Mexico? I freely admit the root cause of most of Mexico's social issues is (beating a dead hourse) the Drug War. Seems that working to end the Drug War would benefit both sides, moreso than trying to convince us that we should allow whomever wants to come here open access. Certainly that would benefit Mexico, all of Central and South America really.

I'm an American, I'm not sick of it. I'm American and regularly voice my opinion about immigrants.

The problem is how immigrants are portrayed... These damn wetbacks come over to our country, rob and murder our people, steal our jobs, and yet somehow we're the most powerful nation on earth. Imagine if we didn't have to deal with those job-stealing, murdering, wetbacks. We'd be like Ancient Rome or something! We need to stand up as Americans and wish death on these people for stealing jobs to feed their families...

Anway, like I said, the politics forum has become a conservative circle jerk. Most of goons that post in the forum are dribbling retards who just rely on the 2 or 3 more eloquent forum members to voice an opinion for them.

[weknowhowtolive]

I'm an American, I'm not sick of it. I'm American and regularly voice my opinion about immigrants.

The problem is how immigrants are portrayed... These damn wetbacks come over to our country, rob and murder our people, steal our jobs, and yet somehow we're the most powerful nation on earth. Imagine if we didn't have to deal with those job-stealing, murdering, wetbacks. We'd be like Ancient Rome or something! We need to stand up as Americans and wish death on these people for stealing jobs to feed their families...

Anway, like I said, the politics forum has become a conservative circle jerk. Most of goons that post in the forum are dribbling retards who just rely on the 2 or 3 more eloquent forum members to voice an opinion for them.You think the whole anti illegal immigration platform is "they steal our jobs" ? Do you pay any attention to what people say, when you dont agree with it? Im doubting you do, which is why you and the other left wing pro illegal immigration people spew the same one line about stealing jobs, while ignoring the rest of it.

[Jimmy]

You think the whole anti illegal immigration platform is "they steal our jobs" ? Do you pay any attention to what people say, when you dont agree with it? Im doubting you do, which is why you and the other left wing pro illegal immigration people spew the same one line about stealing jobs, while ignoring the rest of it.


Actually, no. Look up the archives.

[weknowhowtolive]

Actually, no. Look up the archives.Under what thread?

[Blue Blood]

[quote=tiger beat;53580]Are you talking about an ITIN #?
I honestly don't know,what's an ITIN?

[Jimmy]

Under what thread?


Nevermind. Nothing before the reset is there... disregard what I said.

[weknowhowtolive]

Err...is there a way to look at threads from before the new board?

[Hostilesouthern]

I don't want Mexico moving in, I want them as a soild trading partner. I want good relations with those south of the border but not next door neighbors. Now, if you really want to, you could call me a racist but that is a feeble arguement. I do not wish to see a shit ton of whitey white Germans coming here either. We are no longer a fledgling nation, there is no need to invite the planet to move here.

Highly skilled workers, sure, come on in. A few political refugees, I'm still down with that. Using my nation as a work program from craptacular governments in those countries, fuck that noise. I'll take the responsibility, as an American, that we have caused a great deal of problems in Central and South America, and not just because of the Drug War. Does not mean I am willing to allow another culture to come in and start making demands on our social structure nor our economy.

I actually like Mexicans, to make a blnaket statement here...they are pretty conservative. Strong family values & pretty good work ethics. That's why I want to have great trade relations. There is no reason for "them" to come here once the Drug War has been disbanded. Central America is rich in oil and other valued natural resources, plus a beautiful countryside from what I have seen. Preserve the cultures, both of us.

By the way, I like that you are not referring to yourself as a Mexican-American any longer. Not that you need my approval, it's just nice to see, that's all.

[Jimmy]

Err...is there a way to look at threads from before the new board?


No idea. I tried and only got the shit I posted on after the reset.

[Jimmy]

I don't want Mexico moving in, I want them as a soild trading partner. I want good relations with those south of the border but not next door neighbors. Now, if you really want to, you could call me a racist but that is a feeble arguement. I do not wish to see a shit ton of whitey white Germans coming here either. We are no longer a fledging nation, there is no need to invite the planetto move here.

Highly skilled workers, sure, come on in. A few political refugees, I'm still down with that. Using my nation as a work program from craptacular governments in those countries, fuck that noise. I'll take the responsibility, as an American, that we have caused a great deal of problems in Central and South America, and not just because of the Drug War. Does not mean I am willing to allow another culture to come in and start making demands on our social structure nor our economy.

I actually like Mexicans, to make a blnaket statement here...they are pretty conservative. Strong family values & pretty good work ethics. That's why I want to have great trade relations. There is no reason for "them" to come here once the Drug War has been disbanded. Central America is rich in oil and other valued natural resources, plus a beautiful countryside from what I have seen. Preserve the cultures, both of us.

By the way, I like that you are not referring to yourself as a Mexican-American any longer. Not that you need my approval, it's just nice to see, that's all.

I agree, I think it would be great to see a solid Mexico that could support its own people. That's not reality, though. Central and South America have a political culture of corruption. It's been that way forever. I'm sure it can change eventually, but who knows how long that could take. The Drug War is just one chapter in a history of Latin America.

I don't mind immigrants from any part of the globe to come here and work; as long as they aren't killing people or anything like that. I really believe that they have a positive impact on our country. The children of illegal immigrants grow up in the American culture and assimilate, so the distinct cultures will always be.

I still refer to myself as Mexican-American, but that's only when I need to be more detailed.

[weknowhowtolive]

I agree, I think it would be great to see a solid Mexico that could support its own people. That's not reality, though. Central and South America have a political culture of corruption. It's been that way forever. I'm sure it can change eventually, but who knows how long that could take. The Drug War is just one chapter in a history of Latin America.

I don't mind immigrants from any part of the globe to come here and work; as long as they aren't killing people or anything like that. I really believe that they have a positive impact on our country. The children of illegal immigrants grow up in the American culture and assimilate, so the distinct cultures will always be.

I still refer to myself as Mexican-American, but that's only when I need to be more detailed.At what point is immigration too much? We can obviously only fit so many people here...so when do we say enough is enough and stop letting people in? Is it fair then?

And bullshit they assimilate. I see plenty of mexican children who are far from assimilating.

[Jimmy]

At what point is immigration too much? We can obviously only fit so many people here...so when do we say enough is enough and stop letting people in? Is it fair then?

And bullshit they assimilate. I see plenty of mexican children who are far from assimilating.


I have no idea at what point immigration is too much, but the system will balance itself out. When there is no more need for them, they will obviously stop coming.

I can attest to assimilation. I was born to a Mexican immigrant.

[weknowhowtolive]

I have no idea at what point immigration is too much, but the system will balance itself out. When there is no more need for them, they will obviously stop coming.

I can attest to assimilation. I was born to a Mexican immigrant.You're one person, you are far from the majority.

When there is no more need for them they will stop coming? They dont come here now because there is a need for them. They come here now because there is stuff they need. So i guess when they have used up everything they can, they will stop coming.

[Hostilesouthern]

I agree, I think it would be great to see a solid Mexico that could support its own people. That's not reality, though. Central and South America have a political culture of corruption. It's been that way forever. I'm sure it can change eventually, but who knows how long that could take. The Drug War is just one chapter in a history of Latin America.

I don't mind immigrants from any part of the globe to come here and work; as long as they aren't killing people or anything like that. I really believe that they have a positive impact on our country. The children of illegal immigrants grow up in the American culture and assimilate, so the distinct cultures will always be.

I still refer to myself as Mexican-American, but that's only when I need to be more detailed.


Sorry man, it's fucking lame to call yourself anything other than an American. I'm of the German line, almost entirely. I don't call myself German-American cause...I'm not. Just a run of the mill American. I'm seriously not attempting to insult you, so please do not take it as such. It's the mind set that bugs me.

You say positive impact, please elaborate. I do not see this in my own area where Illegals use our healthcare system and do not pay. I work in healthcare, it's not some right wing view I picked up because it serves my agenda. I worked in several hospitals where the ER is used as family medicine for Illegals and it chips away at the financial viability. Massively. Even in my private practice it's a difficult problem to address, it's illegal to turn someone away for "life saving" care no matter the abililty to pay for these services . That's all well and good yet we still have employees 401Ks to fund, payroll and healthcare cost of our own.

The anger is not going to abate. Even if every single person against illegal immigration is a raging racist....it's their right to be so. A great deal of this country does not want a new alien culture to move in.

[Jimmy]

You're one person, you are far from the majority.

When there is no more need for them they will stop coming? They dont come here now because there is a need for them. They come here now because there is stuff they need. So i guess when they have used up everything they can, they will stop coming.


I don't go by what the majority of people believe. That would make me an idiot.

Your logic is kind of flawed. If there was no need for them how could they get what they needed in return? By your logic we should have a full on rash of bank robberies, murders, etc by illegal immigrants. That's not the case.

There obviously is need for them or they wouldn't have jobs when they got into the country.

[Hostilesouthern]

I don't go by what the majority of people believe. That would make me an idiot.

Your logic is kind of flawed. If there was no need for them how could they get what they needed in return? By your logic we should have a full on rash of bank robberies, murders, etc by illegal immigrants. That's not the case.

There obviously is need for them or they wouldn't have jobs when they got into the country.


The need is skewed, they are here not to do jobs Americans do not want, but to work for wages American will not accept. Illegals are fucking up our bargaining power. That's why we have a quota, once that level has been reached, the population is not able to absorb the overflow.

[Jimmy]

Sorry man, it's fucking lame to call yourself anything other than an American. I'm of the German line, almost entirely. I don't call myself German-American cause...I'm not. Just a run of the mill American. I'm seriously not attempting to insult you, so please do not take it as such. It's the mind set that bugs me.

You say positive impact, please elaborate. I do see this in my own area where Illegals use our healthcare system and do not pay. I work in healthcare, it's not some right wing view I picked up because it serves my agenda. I worked in several hospitals where the ER is used as family medicine for Illegals and it chips away at the financial viability. Massively. Even in my private practice it's a difficult problem to address, it's illegal to turn someone away for "life saving" care no matter the abililty to pay for these services . That's all well and good yet we still have employees 401Ks to find, payroll and healthcare cost of our own.

The anger is not going to abate. Even if every single person against illegal immigration is a raging racist....it's their right to be so. A great deal of this country does not want a new alien culture to move in.


I don't think its lame at all. I am not that far removed from the cultural influences of my mother's culture. I can speak the language, have visited Mexico almost every year of my life, am close with my cousins from Mexico, and know the history of my mother's country. I can see how having a great great great grandfather from Germany would skew your view. You really have no other cultural background other than American. I have both. My children will probably not know how to speak Spanish or know the history or anything like that.

I try not to base my arguments on personal experience, as that can vary widely. I understand that sometimes its the quickest way though. I do it myself from time to time. Here you go:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8704136


A new culture is not moving in. They die and their children assimilate, and their children assimilate even more until they have completely lost all cultural ties to the original country.

[Jimmy]

The need is skewed, they are here not to do jobs Americans do not want, but to work for wages American will not accept. Illegals are fucking up our bargaining power. That's why we have a quota, once that level has been reached, the population is not able to absorb the overflow.

They do, indeed, do some jobs most Americans wouldn't do. They also do some jobs Americans will do, but for more money. If they can make due getting paid $5.15 an hour to landscape, why can't other people?

It obviously can absorb the overflow. It's been overflowed for most of this country's existence.

[Hostilesouthern]

That assumption of my background would be incorrect but it's not really germane, let's skip it. It's gonna tie up the thread in nonsense.

My kid is awaking up so I gotta go. I'll read your link then respond.

Positive impact, please elaborate. Saying illegals are not all bad is not a apt reflection to what massive illegal immigration brings to the country. Again, not being rude here, just trying to get a beat on where you are coming from.

What is the positives of illegals? Not your regular immigrant who goes thru proper channels, I mean the border jumpers.

[weknowhowtolive]

I don't go by what the majority of people believe. That would make me an idiot.

Your logic is kind of flawed. If there was no need for them how could they get what they needed in return? By your logic we should have a full on rash of bank robberies, murders, etc by illegal immigrants. That's not the case.

There obviously is need for them or they wouldn't have jobs when they got into the country.I said you are not the majority because you're acting like because you assimilated others do.

My logic is NOT flawed. There was no need for them. But they came here and said "ill do this much cheaper." They MADE a place for themselves in a place that had no need for them. Are you also for child labor because its cheaper? Are you for outsourcing american jobs? Giving jobs to illegal aliens is exactly the same as outsourcing. They dont pay taxes, a lot of them shop at mexican markets..i fucking live in this shit every day and see it. I wear a shirt that says "USA" and get glares from mexicans...LEGAL mexicans. Dont tell me mexicans are assimilating.

And a large crime wave due to illegals? There isnt one? Are you joking?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040126-120103-7792r.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
http://www.cairco.org/issues/issues_crime_us.html
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/blog/2005/10/crime-of-illegal-aliens.htm
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters6ce 3
http://www.rense.com/general48/comp.htm
http://www.gatago.com/misc/survivalism/18252901.html
http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html


Random fucking links off google.

[weknowhowtolive]

Jobs Americans Wont Do

http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/060223_nd.htm

[Jimmy]

That assumption of my background would be incorrect but it's not really germane, let's skip it. It's gonna tie up the thread in nonsense.

My kid is awaking up so I gotta go. I'll read your link then respond.

Positive impact, please elaborate. Saying illegals are not all bad is not a apt reflection to what massive illegal immigration brings to the country. Again, not being rude here, just trying to get a beat on where you are coming from.

What is the positives of illegals? Not your regular immigrant who goes thru proper channels, I mean the border jumpers.


Here's a few I found quickly:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/01/news/economy/immigration_economy/

http://www.ctj.org/blog/2006/01/georgia-illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes.html

http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060501.shtml

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/December/16/edit/stories/01edit.htm

[Jimmy]

I said you are not the majority because you're acting like because you assimilated others do.

My logic is NOT flawed. There was no need for them. But they came here and said "ill do this much cheaper." They MADE a place for themselves in a place that had no need for them. Are you also for child labor because its cheaper? Are you for outsourcing american jobs? Giving jobs to illegal aliens is exactly the same as outsourcing. They dont pay taxes, a lot of them shop at mexican markets..i fucking live in this shit every day and see it. I wear a shirt that says "USA" and get glares from mexicans...LEGAL mexicans. Dont tell me mexicans are assimilating.

And a large crime wave due to illegals? There isnt one? Are you joking?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040126-120103-7792r.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
http://www.cairco.org/issues/issues_crime_us.html
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/blog/2005/10/crime-of-illegal-aliens.htm
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters6ce 3
http://www.rense.com/general48/comp.htm
http://www.gatago.com/misc/survivalism/18252901.html
http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html


Random fucking links off google.

They offer a service equal to what an American can do, but for a cheaper price. That's Capitalism... what this country was built on. If you don't like it move to Cuba. And quit with the vdare shit. I'm not even going to open that sillyness.

[weknowhowtolive]

They offer a service equal to what an American can do, but for a cheaper price. That's Capitalism... what this country was built on. If you don't like it move to Cuba. And quit with the vdare shit. I'm not even going to open that sillyness.Whats wrong with vdare?

Also, we have minimum wages for a reason. By your logic, outsourcing jobs is a good idea, along with child labor, as i said before. Also, i dont know how many illegals you've hired or worked with, but its hard to get someone to do a job equal to what an english speaking american can do, when the guy hopped on your truck and speaks zero english.

They work hard. Yes. They work long hours. Yes. They want to work. Yes. Do they do high quality work? No.

[Jimmy]

Whats wrong with vdare?

Also, we have minimum wages for a reason. By your logic, outsourcing jobs is a good idea, along with child labor, as i said before. Also, i dont know how many illegals you've hired or worked with, but its hard to get someone to do a job equal to what an english speaking american can do, when the guy hopped on your truck and speaks zero english.

They work hard. Yes. They work long hours. Yes. They want to work. Yes. Do they do high quality work? No.

I am not saying whether or not I am for outsourcing. That is something that cannot be stopped. It's a natural economic phenomenon. Child labor? I don't even know where you're going with that. I am talking about adults.

I think their quality of work is just as good as Americans. If it was so bad companies would lose money, so they wouldn't hire them in the first place.

[tiger beat]

Jimmy, unless I've missed it, what's your opinion on the original topic?

[weknowhowtolive]

I am not saying whether or not I am for outsourcing. That is something that cannot be stopped. It's a natural economic phenomenon. Child labor? I don't even know where you're going with that. I am talking about adults.

I think their quality of work is just as good as Americans. If it was so bad companies would lose money, so they wouldn't hire them in the first place.If corporations still cared about quality we wouldnt buy 90% of our shit from china. Same quality? Obviously you've never hired or worked with illegal landscapers.

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, unless I've missed it, what's your opinion on the original topic?


I think Wendy's should pay what they owe and INS should deport him. He got caught; he has to go home. He can try again next month.

[Jimmy]

If corporations still cared about quality we wouldnt buy 90% of our shit from china. Same quality? Obviously you've never hired or worked with illegal landscapers.


Obviously the quality of the Chinese goods isn't that big of an issue if Wal-Mart is selling them like hotcakes to Americans.

Why would I hire someone or work in landscaping? That's not a job I want to do as an American... ;)

[Dawgnuts]

Some of you people are so fucking retarded its sad. Did any of you even read the news article?



WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH the illegals took my job, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Nobody took shit.

Shut the fuck up already.

[Jimmy]

Some of you people are so fucking retarded its sad. Did any of you even read the news article?



WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH the illegals took my job, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Nobody took shit.

Shut the fuck up already.


Hahaha, post of the fuckin' year!

[SkinJen]

Going back to the original topic-
The Illegal imigrants won't win thier suit, for a pretty simple reason- The judicial system can not return something that was obtained illegaly. These wages were knowingly made by the complaintants illegaly. They knew they had no leagal right to obtain employment in this country and as such have no claim to moneys that they say were promised to them. Wether or not they thought they were in the process of gaining legal status at the time they engaged in illegal gain they can not go back and sue for money not legaly owed to them.

For example replace the words Cafe Exspress with Drug Czar and replace the words Employees with Drug Runners. I'm not saying that working at a Wendy's is the same as dealing drugs- it is merely an example of the point I'm trying to make.

[AttitudeSkin]

I'm going to make this real simple, so even the slow minded liberals (and conservatives) can understand it:

Illegal immigrants take jobs from American citizens. Plain and simple. Some say they only take the jobs others don't want. These people need to choke to death on a big, fat cock. What they do is take jobs nobody wants for the wage that's being ffered. The reason the wages are so low, is because people use illegals, instead of hiring Americans to work for better pay, and with benefits such as retirement, 401k, and labor unions.

By hiring illegals, you are destroying the job market. You are making it so 80 year old men with no medical benefits still have to get out of bed and do manual labor every day.

By being an illegal worker, you are weakening the US economy. You are not paying taxes, you are not supporting your local unions, and if you're sending the money back to mexico, you're fucking STEALING. That, and you're also making your people look like fucking suckers by accepting this modern form of slavery.Way to go, esse.

[ForeverSouthSide]

Just build the fuckin fence already, oh wait the Mexican government is going to the UN ask them if it is ok for the US to build it. God forbid if Mexico couldnt export its poverty.

As for this "jobs Americans wont do" crap, take a look at the numbers. Americans do the majority of these jobs. The poor are the ones loosing the most because of the illegal problem in this country because the wages for these jobs are so low they can survive unless they do the same as the illegals, sharing housing and such.

[Dawgnuts]

I'm going to make this real simple, so even the slow minded liberals (and conservatives) can understand it:

Illegal immigrants take jobs from American citizens. Plain and simple. Some say they only take the jobs others don't want. These people need to choke to death on a big, fat cock. What they do is take jobs nobody wants for the wage that's being ffered. The reason the wages are so low, is because people use illegals, instead of hiring Americans to work for better pay, and with benefits such as retirement, 401k, and labor unions.

By hiring illegals, you are destroying the job market. You are making it so 80 year old men with no medical benefits still have to get out of bed and do manual labor every day.

By being an illegal worker, you are weakening the US economy. You are not paying taxes, you are not supporting your local unions, and if you're sending the money back to mexico, you're fucking STEALING. That, and you're also making your people look like fucking suckers by accepting this modern form of slavery.Way to go, esse.


Bull fucking shit. You are to god damn slow to understand how shit works I see. Illegals have takin over fast food they have always paid 5.15 or whatever min. wag is. They have ALWAYS paid min. WAG. No 80 year old man has to work for med. insurance, its called medicade, anyone over 65 gets it.

Weakening the economy? Not paying taxes? Are you fucking retarded? How do they not pay taxes? They pay the same taxes you and I do and don't get a return like you and I do. All they do is pay into the economy while drawing nothing but their 200 dollar an hour pay check out.

You just made up 5 different excuses and not one of them is true.

How about you shut the fuck up and get a real job that way you don't have to worry about pedro taking your position.

The unemployment rate in this country is like 5.5%. If you take away 10% of the workers who are illegals who is going to take over their positions?

How about you people accept the fact that mexicans are a functioning gear in the american wheel.

[Johnny Rebel]

How about you people accept the fact that mexicans are a functioning gear in the american wheel.

So are drug dealers. Shouldn't change the legality in question though.

[weknowhowtolive]

Last time i worked fast food i made $9 within 6 months, up from $5.25.

Thats of course, only taking into account the ones who work over the table illegally. Most illegals work jobs under the table where they dont pay taxes, along with their employers and the employers should be arrested and forced to pay back taxes.

I dont care if the illegal is mexican, german, french, cuban, whatever. Illegal is illegal.

[Gut Check]

I don't see the big deal, they were paying their employer in hopes of becoming American citizens, they had been working for 5 years to try and become citizens. Aren't these the type of people we want in America? No because they entered the country illegally, etc., etc., I just don't see the problem. It's not like they hiked far enough into the country to have a kid and started collecting food stamps.

[AttitudeSkin]

No 80 year old man has to work for med. insurance, its called medicade, anyone over 65 gets it.
I never said he has to work for insurance, you illiterate sack. I said he has no insurance and still has to work.

Weakening the economy? Not paying taxes? Are you fucking retarded? How do they not pay taxes? Ah, those guys I see standing outside Home Depot all filled out their tax forms for that day's under the table job? Doubt it.

How about you shut the fuck up and get a real job that way you don't have to worry about pedro taking your position.
I have real job that's in no way threatened. I just believe That people with les job security than me shouldn't have to worry about losing their job to an illegal immigrant.

How about you people accept the fact that mexicans are a functioning gear in the american wheel.
This is the line of thinking that states "If it weren't for murserers, rapists, and pedophiles, the prisons would close down and we'd lose tax revenues and jobs. Hence, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles are essential to our economy.

[AttitudeSkin]

I don't see the big deal, they were paying their employer in hopes of becoming American citizens, they had been working for 5 years to try and become citizens. Aren't these the type of people we want in America? No because they entered the country illegally, etc., etc., I just don't see the problem. It's not like they hiked far enough into the country to have a kid and started collecting food stamps.
No, they're playing stupid. It's real easy to find the proper channels to becoming a citizen. Leaving it to your boss doesn't fucking cut it. Ask all the legit aliens who are struggling through the admissions process.

[Jimmy]

I never said he has to work for insurance, you illiterate sack. I said he has no insurance and still has to work.

Ah, those guys I see standing outside Home Depot all filled out their tax forms for that day's under the table job? Doubt it.


I have real job that's in no way threatened. I just believe That people with les job security than me shouldn't have to worry about losing their job to an illegal immigrant.


This is the line of thinking that states "If it weren't for murserers, rapists, and pedophiles, the prisons would close down and we'd lose tax revenues and jobs. Hence, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles are essential to our economy.

That last sentence has to be the worst analogy I've ever heard in my life.

[Jimmy]

No, they're playing stupid. It's real easy to find the proper channels to becoming a citizen. Leaving it to your boss doesn't fucking cut it. Ask all the legit aliens who are struggling through the admissions process.


Actually.... its real fucking hard to get here legally. If it were easy we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[weknowhowtolive]

Actually.... its real fucking hard to get here legally. If it were easy we wouldn't be having this discussion.There are reasons its hard. Its hard to immigrate to most countries...like say...Mexico. Like, you know, when people from other Latin countries border hop into Mexico and they are shot. Maybe we should adopt Mexicos border policies and start raping, robbing and shooting illegals...like in the great country of Mexico.

[Gut Check]

Leaving it to your boss doesn't fucking cut it.
I don't know, if they were paying him to provide a service to him, it seems to me that he is to blame. No one just keeps handing money out without seeing results, what's the deal with that? Bottom line to me is, it seems like the boss was taking advantage of someones desire to become a citizen of this country.

[Jimmy]

There are reasons its hard. Its hard to immigrate to most countries...like say...Mexico. Like, you know, when people from other Latin countries border hop into Mexico and they are shot. Maybe we should adopt Mexicos border policies and start raping, robbing and shooting illegals...like in the great country of Mexico.


Why would you want to adopt the practices of the 3rd World Country? You're unAmerican.

Anyway, don't think that shit like that doesn't already happen in the United States. There are many instances of Border Patrol agents beating, raping, and shooting illegals.

[Martina]

Yeah, because if this guy loses (which he will), you know he's going to hang around and pay the court costs.....:rolleyes:

It's more than one person claiming this...it's a class action law suit.
I'm also sure that there are pay stubs that would show a $25.00 deduction.

[weknowhowtolive]

Why would you want to adopt the practices of the 3rd World Country? You're unAmerican.

Anyway, don't think that shit like that doesn't already happen in the United States. There are many instances of Border Patrol agents beating, raping, and shooting illegals.
There are many instances of illegals shooting and beating border patrol agents...not to mention fucking up the land of people who live on the border...and of course, killing those peoples animals.

But yeah, open the flood gates.

[Jimmy]

There are many instances of illegals shooting and beating border patrol agents...not to mention fucking up the land of people who live on the border...and of course, killing those peoples animals.

But yeah, open the flood gates.


There are also many instances of American citizens killing cops, eating dead babies, and beating women. Americans should be deported, I say!

[Martina]

They offer a service equal to what an American can do, but for a cheaper price. That's Capitalism... what this country was built on. If you don't like it move to Cuba. And quit with the vdare shit. I'm not even going to open that sillyness.

Sure, everyone should move to Cuba and make room for more Mexicans....

Why the fuck should I be pregnate and without the company of my American husband while I wait my turn to go through the immigration process? Meanwhile, someone is jumping a boarder or overstaying a tourist/student visa; Sounds like fucking bullshit to me.
But alas, I respect the law not to break it everyday I wake up, which is exactly what illegals do.

Don't hide a pro-mexican illegal agenda under the blanket of a free labour market and capitalism. Moving the plant to Mexico, because a Mexican will do it cheaper is capitalism. Hiring an illegal because they will do it cheaper isn't ....it's against the fucking law.

[weknowhowtolive]

There are also many instances of American citizens killing cops, eating dead babies, and beating women. Americans should be deported, I say!Oh yeah, logic.

[Martina]

I think Wendy's should pay what they owe and INS should deport him. He got caught; he has to go home. He can try again next month.

If Wendy's did this they should pay ALOT more than that.

[Jimmy]

Sure, everyone should move to Cuba and make room for more Mexicans....

Why the fuck should I be pregnate and without the company of my American husband while I wait my turn to go through the immigration process? Meanwhile, someone is jumping a boarder or overstaying a tourist/student visa; Sounds like fucking bullshit to me.
But alas, I respect the law not to break it everyday I wake up, which is exactly what illegals do.

Don't hide a pro-mexican illegal agenda under the blanket of a free labour market and capitalism. Moving the plant to Mexico, because a Mexican will do it cheaper is capitalism. Hiring an illegal because they will do it cheaper isn't ....it's against the fucking law.

I really don't care what happens to you. I don't even know why you brought your personal life into this. I doubt it has anything to do with respect. You fear the law. If you could do it and know you wouldn't be caught you'd go in a heartbeat.

Since when have I tried to hide the sympathy I have for illegal aliens? Anyway, I am right. It is Capitalism.

[Jimmy]

If Wendy's did this they should pay ALOT more than that.


Give him a free frosty, too, I say.

[Jimmy]

Oh yeah, logic.


Try it sometime. It can be pretty cool.

[weknowhowtolive]

I really don't care what happens to you. I don't even know why you brought your personal life into this. I doubt it has anything to do with respect. You fear the law. If you could do it and know you wouldn't be caught you'd go in a heartbeat.

Since when have I tried to hide the sympathy I have for illegal aliens? Anyway, I am right. It is Capitalism.Haha so you dont know where immigration stops, just once people have sucked everything out of the country they can...what about laws? What laws are ok in your mind to break? Watch your footing, its a slippery slope.

[Martina]

Actually.... its real fucking hard to get here legally. If it were easy we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Getting through medical school is also hard...but not impossible.

And if anything it's more lenghty than difficult, I should fucking know.

[Jimmy]

Haha so you dont know where immigration stops, just once people have sucked everything out of the country they can...what about laws? What laws are ok in your mind to break? Watch your footing, its a slippery slope.


Good law is good. Bad law is bad. It's that simple.

[Jimmy]

Getting through medical school is also hard...but not impossible.

And if anything it's more lenghty than difficult, I should fucking know.

Yeah, thats why most people don't become doctors.

[weknowhowtolive]

Good law is good. Bad law is bad. It's that simple.based on YOUR opinion. In my opinion it should be legal to kill people i think are stupid and a waste of space.

Slippery. Fucking. Slope.

[Dawgnuts]

I never said he has to work for insurance, you illiterate sack. I said he has no insurance and still has to work.

Ah, those guys I see standing outside Home Depot all filled out their tax forms for that day's under the table job? Doubt it.


I have real job that's in no way threatened. I just believe That people with les job security than me shouldn't have to worry about losing their job to an illegal immigrant.


This is the line of thinking that states "If it weren't for murserers, rapists, and pedophiles, the prisons would close down and we'd lose tax revenues and jobs. Hence, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles are essential to our economy.


Did you pass 2nd grade?

you sure run your trap alot like your billy badass that cares about nothing. How about you put all factors into a thought before typing it.

It's so funny to see so many people whine about illegals but have no problem with how your family got here themselves. "oh they don't speak english, I can't work with them".


Illegals arn't a crutch for all the americans who never make shit

[Martina]

I really don't care what happens to you. I don't even know why you brought your personal life into this. I doubt it has anything to do with respect. You fear the law. If you could do it and know you wouldn't be caught you'd go in a heartbeat.

Since when have I tried to hide the sympathy I have for illegal aliens? Anyway, I am right. It is Capitalism.

I'm not asking for your pity or your concideration, what I am saying is there alot of reasons that people want to enter the US and you don't have to break the law to do it. It's the people that do it the right way that make the sacrifices not the ones that sneak across.

Don't tell me what I would do and what I wouldn't do. I'm in the situation I am in because I'm unwilling to break the law.

I'd say it's not 'illegal aliens' you have sympathy for, it's Mexican illegals.
You have your own personal agenda and so do others, thank god your in the minority.

[Jimmy]

based on YOUR opinion. In my opinion it should be legal to kill people i think are stupid and a waste of space.

Slippery. Fucking. Slope.


Obviously its bad law if its rampantly being broken. Laws against murder are not.

[Dawgnuts]

I love that excuse too. "its against the law, they should be deported". Especially when a skinhead says it.


So should all of us have to do our prison time for all the shit we did? You are all apart of a subculture based on violence tallking about what the law is. You fucking retards baffle me.

Smell your own shit before you smell someone elses.

[Jimmy]

I'm not asking for your pity or your concideration, what I am saying is there alot of reasons that people want to enter the US and you don't have to break the law to do it. It's the people that do it the right way that make the sacrifices not the ones that sneak across.

Don't tell me what I would do and what I wouldn't do. I'm in the situation I am in because I'm unwilling to break the law.

I'd say it's not 'illegal aliens' you have sympathy for, it's Mexican illegals.
You have your own personal agenda and so do others, thank god your in the minority.

You're right, they don't have to break the law, but that's the easiest way to get here. I respectfully disagree. Immigrants who come here illegally sacrifice just as much.

Whatever you say.

No, I believe its illegal aliens in general who come here looking for a better life.

[Martina]

Obviously its bad law if its rampantly being broken. Laws against murder are not.

Is it a bad law or just harder to enforce.......

[Jimmy]

Is it a bad law or just harder to enforce.......


Bad law.

[Skones]

Obviously its bad law if its rampantly being broken. Laws against murder are not.

Contradict much?

Laws against drunk driving are rampantly being broken. But it's alright, they're bad laws.

Laws against assault are rampantly being broken. But they're bad laws too.

Laws against rape and other sex crimes are rampantly being broken. Yup, bad laws...

[weknowhowtolive]

Obviously its bad law if its rampantly being broken. Laws against murder are not.So are laws on fucking child porn, douche.

[Jimmy]

Contradict much?

Laws against drunk driving are rampantly being broken. But it's alright, they're bad laws.

Laws against assault are rampantly being broken. But they're bad laws too.

Laws against rape and other sex crimes are rampantly being broken. Yup, bad laws...


No, none of those are rampantly being broken.

[Jimmy]

So are laws on fucking child porn, douche.


Nope. They aren't being broken rampantly.

[Martina]

You're right, they don't have to break the law, but that's the easiest way to get here. I respectfully disagree. Immigrants who come here illegally sacrifice just as much.

Whatever you say.

No, I believe its illegal aliens in general who come here looking for a better life.

It's also easier to steal money than it is to work for it. But that doesn't make it right to steal, it just makes it more personally gratifying. They sacrifice NOTHING. Even you said if they get sent back, they should just make another run for the boarder.

Yep, I think I am the best judge of my own character.

Everyone that elects to move to a new country does so in hopes of a better life. Who the fuck moves to live a shittier existence? I’m sorry, but are someone’s personal desire’s suppose to make the fact they broke the law ok?

[Dawgnuts]

I'm not asking for your pity or your concideration, what I am saying is there alot of reasons that people want to enter the US and you don't have to break the law to do it. It's the people that do it the right way that make the sacrifices not the ones that sneak across.

Don't tell me what I would do and what I wouldn't do. I'm in the situation I am in because I'm unwilling to break the law.

I'd say it's not 'illegal aliens' you have sympathy for, it's Mexican illegals.
You have your own personal agenda and so do others, thank god your in the minority.


You really don’t get it do you? These people walk 100 miles in 120-degree weather with no shoes and no water to make it to this country. 100’s die every year trying to make it to this country. But your right how dare they not be able to sacrifice 3 years to wait during the process it takes to come here legally. They sacrifice their life.

They are not in Canada; they don’t have what you do. They don’t have a real government or even running water or sewer systems in allot of places in Mexico. Its not a country that is a good place to live. You want to leave canada because you decided to marry an American by choice. They want to leave Mexico so they can provide for their family like they are supposed to. Lets see all of you walk 100 plus miles through a desert, and then act like you didn’t make any sacrifice.

[weknowhowtolive]

Nope. They aren't being broken rampantly.Are you kidding me? They arent rapantly broken? Hahahahahaha

[Jimmy]

It's also easier to steal money than it is to work for it. But that doesn't make it right to steal, it just makes it more personally gratifying. They sacrifice NOTHING. Even you said if they get sent back, they should just make another run for the boarder.

Yep, I think I am the best judge of my own character.

Everyone that elects to move to a new country does so in hopes of a better life. Who the fuck moves to live a shittier existence? I’m sorry, but are someone’s personal desire’s suppose to make the fact they broke the law ok?


They aren't stealing. They are going to work and earning their money. You try crossing that border and then let me know if they sacrifice nothing. A lot of them die trying.

[Jimmy]

Are you kidding me? They arent rapantly broken? Hahahahahaha


They are broken, but not to the degree that its widespread.

[Dawgnuts]

It's also easier to steal money than it is to work for it. But that doesn't make it right to steal, it just makes it more personally gratifying. They sacrifice NOTHING. Even you said if they get sent back, they should just make another run for the boarder.

Yep, I think I am the best judge of my own character.

Everyone that elects to move to a new country does so in hopes of a better life. Who the fuck moves to live a shittier existence? I’m sorry, but are someone’s personal desire’s suppose to make the fact they broke the law ok?


Nothing? They sacrifice their life. What the hell do you sacrifice?

[weknowhowtolive]

They are broken, but not to the degree that its widespread.Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Well, i guess since people all over the world have it as hard if not harder off than the people from Mexico we might as well take them all.

[Skones]

No, none of those are rampantly being broken.

Really???

According to the NHTSA, 16,885 people died in alchohol related fatalities in 2005. That's 39% of all traffic fatalities in 2005. That's over a third! And that's JUST the ones that ended in a death.

Just do a yahoo news search for "assault" and see how rampant it is.

According to the DoJ, there were approximately 93,934 reported rapes in the US in 2005. If you go by what the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network says, only 42% of rapes are reported.

But yeah, none of these are broken rampantly...

[Jimmy]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Well, i guess since people all over the world have it as hard if not harder off than the people from Mexico we might as well take them all.


They wouldn't all fit, but we do take people from Ireland, China, former Soviet Bloc countries all the time. Like I said, as long as their work is in demand they will keep coming. No fence is going to stop them.

[Martina]

I love that excuse too. "its against the law, they should be deported". Especially when a skinhead says it.


So should all of us have to do our prison time for all the shit we did? You are all apart of a subculture based on violence tallking about what the law is. You fucking retards baffle me.

Smell your own shit before you smell someone elses.

Show me a skinhead that cried because they did the crime, got caught and had to do the time.

I think for some of you, your time would be better served trying for immigration reform, making it easier to get work visa's, bringing family members over than trying to convince the majority that there nothing wrong with entering and working in the country illegally.

Illegals don't do the jobs no one else wants...it's not as simple as that and will never be seen that way. What they do, is lower the standard of living for the American worker.
If more immigration is required to fill the vacancy, then the answer would have to be to allow more people to immigrate. The the benfit to them or someone else would be getting a better wage to do the job. At the very least minium wage, instead of whatever they are given....and even if they get paid.

[Skones]

They aren't stealing. They are going to work and earning their money. You try crossing that border and then let me know if they sacrifice nothing. A lot of them die trying.

Fuck, I'm out of Kleenez for my watery eyes...

:rolleyes:

[Dawgnuts]

Seriously, why are you people talking about laws? You break them everyday. But I guess its for americans to break the law, but not mexicans.

[Martina]

Nothing? They sacrifice their life. What the hell do you sacrifice?


How do they sacrifice their life?
I've already said what I am scarificing and what my husband is sacrificing.

[Jimmy]

Really???

According to the NHTSA, 16,885 people died in alchohol related fatalities in 2005. That's 39% of all traffic fatalities in 2005. That's over a third! And that's JUST the ones that ended in a death.

Just do a yahoo news search for "assault" and see how rampant it is.

According to the DoJ, there were approximately 93,934 reported rapes in the US in 2005. If you go by what the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network says, only 42% of rapes are reported.

But yeah, none of these are broken rampantly...


In a country of 298,444,000 that's not all that much. In any case, these are violent crimes. They shouldn't even be compared with entering the country illegally. Apples and oranges...

[weknowhowtolive]

They wouldn't all fit, but we do take people from Ireland, China, former Soviet Bloc countries all the time. Like I said, as long as their work is in demand they will keep coming. No fence is going to stop them.So what if they wouldnt fit? If they want to come here and work for shitty wages, we should take them if they will make sacrifices and risk death.

Every country, state, area whatever with impoverished people should be allowed to come to America.

[Jimmy]

Fuck, I'm out of Kleenez for my watery eyes...

:rolleyes:


You sure you didn't use it to clean up that bloody vagina?:wink:

[Jimmy]

So what if they wouldnt fit? If they want to come here and work for shitty wages, we should take them if they will make sacrifices and risk death.

Every country, state, area whatever with impoverished people should be allowed to come to America.


You're kind of dense.

[Jimmy]

How do they sacrifice their life?
I've already said what I am scarificing and what my husband is sacrificing.


Read his earlier post.

Some of them die trying to get here. You'll sit on an air conditioned bus or plane and sip Pepsi. They want it more than you do.

[Martina]

Seriously, why are you people talking about laws? You break them everyday. But I guess its for americans to break the law, but not mexicans.

I don't break the law everyday. I know plenty of skinheads that don't either.

Sure some American's break the law and if they get caught they go to jail.
When a illegal immigrant breaks the law and they get caught they go to jail and get sent back- or just get sent back. How is this not fair?

[weknowhowtolive]

In a country of 298,444,000 that's not all that much. In any case, these are violent crimes. They shouldn't even be compared with entering the country illegally. Apples and oranges...Except that the people who enter illegaly commit these crimes, not to mention they pass all the health checks legal immigrants have to pass, which puts people at risk for some of the diseases that have been illiminated in America for years. But whatever, like i said, bring everyone. Dont leave places like Africa out of this loop, its racist.

[Jimmy]

I don't break the law everyday. I know plenty of skinheads that don't either.

Sure some American's break the law and if they get caught they go to jail.
When a illegal immigrant breaks the law and they get caught they go to jail and get sent back- or just get sent back. How is this not fair?

Depends what laws we're talking about. Violent crimes and such... they should go to prison like everyone else.

[Dawgnuts]

How do they sacrifice their life?
I've already said what I am scarificing and what my husband is sacrificing.


never seen the border between mexico and america I take it. 1000's die every year walking here.

You are sacrificing nothing. You know your husband was american when you married him and you know he lived in america when you got pregnant. That was a choice, not a sacrifice. Your family does not live like shit and your income is not 50 bucks a week. You don't live in a 3rd world country. Don't compare yourself to them.

[Skones]

They shouldn't even be compared with entering the country illegally.

Right, because only bona fide citizens, or documented immigrants commit crimes...

And hey, you're the one that compared it to murder...

But according to the population, murder isn't a bad law, since it's not quite rampant...

[Jimmy]

Except that the people who enter illegaly commit these crimes, not to mention they pass all the health checks legal immigrants have to pass, which puts people at risk for some of the diseases that have been illiminated in America for years. But whatever, like i said, bring everyone. Dont leave places like Africa out of this loop, its racist.


I already said, violent crimes and such, they should go to prison too. Anyway, the stats he listed had no mention of illegal immigrants.

[Skones]

never seen the border between mexico and america I take it. 1000's die every year walking here.

You are sacrificing nothing. You know your husband was american when you married him and you know he lived in america when you got pregnant. That was a choice, not a sacrifice. Your family does not live like shit and your income is not 50 bucks a week. You don't live in a 3rd world country. Don't compare yourself to them.

It's also a choice to walk across the desert, and face death...

Not a sacrifice...

[Jimmy]

It's also a choice to walk across the desert, and face death...

Not a sacrifice...


I guess in that sense there's no such thing as sacrifices... only choices.

[weknowhowtolive]

You're kind of dense. Nice arguement. Your whole reasoning seems to now come from space and available work. If they can get here, let em in. No borders. Thats what you're saying. You're the dense one here.

[weknowhowtolive]

I already said, violent crimes and such, they should go to prison too. Anyway, the stats he listed had no mention of illegal immigrants.Do you know what a sanctuary city is?

[Martina]

Read his earlier post.

Some of them die trying to get here. You'll sit on an air conditioned bus or plane and sip Pepsi. They want it more than you do.

Irish, Portugese , Italian, Scotish etc illegals also get to the US by plane.
Just because someone from Mexico or Cuba or China wants to fucking float it to the USA doesn't mean they want it more. It means that's one of the only ways they can do it.

[Jimmy]

Nice arguement. Your whole reasoning seems to now come from space and available work. If they can get here, let em in. No borders. Thats what you're saying. You're the dense one here.


My whole reasoning is capitalism. If there weren't a demand for their work, they wouldn't be here. When/if that demands goes away, so will they.

No, I assure you, you must have Down's Syndrome or something.

[Jimmy]

Irish, Portugese , Italian, Scotish etc illegals also get to the US by plane.
Just because someone from Mexico or Cuba or China wants to fucking float it to the USA doesn't mean they want it more. It means that's one of the only ways they can do it.


Believe me... they all want it more than you could ever imagine.

[weknowhowtolive]

My whole reasoning is capitalism. If there weren't a demand for their work, they wouldn't be here. When/if that demands goes away, so will they.

No, I assure you, you must have Down's Syndrome or something.SO, like i said, if someone from Kenya wants to come here and work, and there is a job for them to fill, then let them. How is that not what you are saying?

[Jimmy]

SO, like i said, if someone from Kenya wants to come here and work, and there is a job for them to fill, then let them. How is that not what you are saying?


I don't believe that I argued against that. If a guy from Kenya gets here and gets a job... good for him.

[weknowhowtolive]

"
SANCTUARY POLICIES
Across the nation cities from New York to Houston to San Diego forbid city officials—including police—from inquiring into anyone's immigration status or cooperating with immigration officials. The police may not stop or detain persons solely due to their immigration status or even inquire into their status while making routine traffic stops or misdemeanor arrests. These policies have, in effect, created safe havens for illegal immigrants, including criminal aliens.
Cities began adopting sanctuary laws in the 1980s, supposedly to foster trust between illegal immigrants and police. Proponents argued that crimes would not be reported, witnesses to crime would not come forth and immigrants wouldn't cooperate with police if they feared deportation. Yet the policies adopted reflect the power of immigration advocacy groups more than concerns about crime prevention. Politicians in large cities with significant immigrant populations simply surrendered to the demands of immigrant rights groups that sought to minimize—if not extinguish—the distinction between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. Nor is it only immigrants' rights groups that promote sanctuary cities. Business interests want a steady source of cheap, compliant and exploitable labor; the minions of the welfare state want to magnify their power by extending the largess of the administrative state to those who will, in all likelihood, take their place in the so-called "underclass."
The resulting policies not only tolerate crime—after all, illegal immigrants are lawbreakers—but actively abet and protect criminal activity by handcuffing the powers of the police.
Currently over 400,000 illegal immigrants within our borders have received final deportation orders from a federal judge but have failed to show up for deportation. Nearly a quarter of these absconders are convicted criminals. In sanctuary cities police may not inquire into the deportation status of these aliens or apprehend them until they have committed another crime.
Fox News reports that illegal aliens account for nearly 25 percent of California's prison population, far in excess of their numbers in the general population. When these aliens finish their sentences they are subject to deportation.Yet it has been estimated that fewer than 50 percent of these criminals are actually deported."



http://www.claremont.org/projects/local_gov/Newsletter/sanctuarycities.html

[Martina]

never seen the border between mexico and america I take it. 1000's die every year walking here.

You are sacrificing nothing. You know your husband was american when you married him and you know he lived in america when you got pregnant. That was a choice, not a sacrifice. Your family does not live like shit and your income is not 50 bucks a week. You don't live in a 3rd world country. Don't compare yourself to them.

True, I knew what I was up against and I am dealing with it, as is my husband.
But surely it can't be right for a man who makes 75K a year, pays a heavy income tax and has benifits to be without his wife while is perfectly okay for someone to enter the US illegally because they were born less unfortunate.
There's plenty of people from shitty fucking country's that are doing things the legal way too.
A sad story shouldn't get you a free pass.

[weknowhowtolive]

These arguements for illegal immigration get dumber every time. Im out. Hopefully, this dude in the original story gets his ass deported, and hopefully we build a wall, otherwise, the country is gunna burn.

[Martina]

Believe me... they all want it more than you could ever imagine.

No, a better life is a better life. Someone wants it or they don't.
I don't feel more sorry for a Mexican than a another illegal because the life they left behind was a shitter one.

[rachel]

Reading through these posts has made me sad. I dont understand the hatred that America as a whole has for illegal mexicans. They do pay taxes and they do contribute to the ecomony. I would like to see this country go a week without any of them. Yes, there is a problem with people entering illegaly, but there is also a problem with entering legally. Mexico is huge, yet there is only one embassy that handles greencards for the entire country.

I married Manuel knowing he was Mexican and knowing that he was here on a visa, we filed for the greencard before we married and when his visa expired we went back to mexico. Things happened, with a bad pregnacy and a preemie (not to get personal) and he entered back into the country illegally. He walked countless miles in the Arizona desert, and I had to deal with a shady ass coyote, we both knew it was a bad choice but at that time it was the only choice.

It took Katrina to get him legal again, he was granted emergency status Until his consular processing, which took place in August. Now its over and the boy is legal but it wasnt cheap or easy. That greencard is our prozed possesion. It dosent matter a shit that he is legal and speaks english fluently, hes still treated like fucking shit everyday. He was promoted to a foreman at his job and a bunch of redneck quit because they werent going to work for a wetback.

Im rambling, Im sorry I know none of you give a fuck, and most of you will rip my ass apart. But most of the people who come here arent coming to get a free ride.

ps. Dawg, I like your thinking.

[Jimmy]

True, I knew what I was up against and I am dealing with it, as is my husband.
But surely it can't be right for a man who makes 75K a year, pays a heavy income tax and has benifits to be without his wife while is perfectly okay for someone to enter the US illegally because they were born less unfortunate.
There's plenty of people from shitty fucking country's that are doing things the legal way too.
A sad story shouldn't get you a free pass.


Most illegal immigrants don't come with their wife. Its too hard a journey.

[Jimmy]

These arguements for illegal immigration get dumber every time. Im out. Hopefully, this dude in the original story gets his ass deported, and hopefully we build a wall, otherwise, the country is gunna burn.


Hopefully you don't have children.

[Skones]

In the states yes. But Manuels shit was processed like was wasnt living in the US. And the only US embassy in mexico that does greencard interviews is in Juarez.

Yeah, I read that all wrong, hence the deletion...

[Hostilesouthern]

Im rambling, Im sorry I know none of you give a fuck, and most of you will rip my ass apart. But most of the people who come here arent coming to get a free ride.


I'm pretty sure I never said illegals are looking for a free ride and I most certainly never said anything about "them" taking "our" jobs. I would rather see a true correction to the serious social problems Central America has, over unregulated borders.

This is so damn frustrating, trying to explain why illegal immigration is making the Drug War worse and more brutal but whatever, everyone coming from Mexico has a halo and angel wings. Those people in FARC who would love to wreck havoc on America, they could wander across too. Some people who do not like the U.S. coming from certain nations in the Middle East have new relationships in South America. Nope, no worries at all.

The immigration system needs to be overhauled and stream lined, not circumvented.

[Martina]

Reading through these posts has made me sad. I dont understand the hatred that America as a whole has for illegal mexicans. They do pay taxes and they do contribute to the ecomony. I would like to see this country go a week without any of them. Yes, there is a problem with people entering illegaly, but there is also a problem with entering legally. Mexico is huge, yet there is only one embassy that handles greencards for the entire country.

I married Manuel knowing he was Mexican and knowing that he was here on a visa, we filed for the greencard before we married and when his visa expired we went back to mexico. Things happened, with a bad pregnacy and a preemie (not to get personal) and he entered back into the country illegally. He walked countless miles in the Arizona desert, and I had to deal with a shady ass coyote, we both knew it was a bad choice but at that time it was the only choice.

It took Katrina to get him legal again, he was granted emergency status Until his consular processing, which took place in August. Now its over and the boy is legal but it wasnt cheap or easy. That greencard is our prozed possesion. It dosent matter a shit that he is legal and speaks english fluently, hes still treated like fucking shit everyday. He was promoted to a foreman at his job and a bunch of redneck quit because they werent going to work for a wetback.

Im rambling, Im sorry I know none of you give a fuck, and most of you will rip my ass apart. But most of the people who come here arent coming to get a free ride.

ps. Dawg, I like your thinking.



I understand why that time would have been difficult for you both.
Your situation isn't exactly black and white. But you did have other choices, especially since he had an American wife.

But understand my situation too, it's extremely frustrating and unfair to allow illegals to stay while it takes upteen months for someone to go through the process the right way. I
It's very frustrating and upsetting for someone who was making $15.00 an hour in construction to have to make $9.00 bacause that's what the illegal at the HomeDepo will do it for.

The only people that support illegals are people that have first hand connections to illgals. Whether they are one, related to one or employ them. There may be the odd left winger, but it's a rarity.

There's plenty of illegals that work under the table- therefore they do not pay taxes. There's also plenty more that are working with stolen SSN and effecting someone elses tax return.

If some redneck wants to be unemployed because they don't want to 'work for no wetback' that's their problem. It doesn't make your husbands paycheck anyless. But I don't think it can be denied that the amount of illgal labours doesn't add fuel to the fire.

[Martina]

Most illegal immigrants don't come with their wife. Its too hard a journey.

That doesn't make any sense. It's the illegal that's the issue not the spouse they left behind.

[Gut Check]

I dont understand the hatred that America as a whole has for illegal mexicans.I dont get it either. My old man worked for Pinellas County Housing Authority most of his life, he worked with non profit orginazations that set up grant's for low income housing. He had a conversation with one of the CEO's of these non profits one time, the guy was bitching about the Mexicans drinking all weekend long, and partying in the front yards. My old man told him first off they partyed in the yard because their wives wouldn't let them in the house, and second, they party all weekend because they spend the other 5 days breaking their back. He'd always say drive past on the week and see where they are, AT WORK! You all don't care I'm sure, but it's funny to me. Mexican's are some of the hardest working people on the face of the planet, but to you they are nothing more than common criminals because they want to make a better life in this country.

[rachel]

I'm pretty sure I never said illegals are looking for a free ride and I most certainly never said anything about "them" taking "our" jobs. I would rather see a true correction to the serious social problems Central America has, over unregulated borders.

This is so damn frustrating, trying to explain why illegal immigration is making the Drug War worse and more brutal but whatever, everyone coming from Mexico has a halo and angel wings. Those people in FARC who would love to wreck havoc on America, they could wander across too. Some people who do not like the U.S. coming from certain nations in the Middle East have new relationships in South America. Nope, no worries at all.

The immigration system needs to be overhauled and stream lined, not circumvented.



I was making blanket statements. They dont apply to you and a few enlightened others. I do understand why the drug war is making it awful. Before we know it there are going to be 12 decapitations a week over here, and that is just not acceptable. And alot of the people coming from mexico have no buisness being here, hell M always comes home and tells me about so and so who ran from a murder charge. Im not saying to open up the borders, just put a system that works in place. The lady at the embassy in Juarez flat out told us that it took three years to get his greencard due to all the deportations, filing those takes precedence (sp) over everything else.

[weknowhowtolive]

I think its funny that even Craig has a more conservative opinion on this subject.

[Johnny Rebel]

never seen the border between mexico and america I take it. 1000's die every year walking here.



Wrong. 500 last year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4645782.stm

Also addresses the arduous journey they take to come here.

[AttitudeSkin]

Actually.... its real fucking hard to get here legally. If it were easy we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I never said it was easy to become a citizen. I said it was easy to find out HOW.

You know that thing people do with their eyes? Where they look at little squiggly marks on a page or screen and gain information from it? You should learn how to do that.

[Professor]

Nothing? They sacrifice their life. What the hell do you sacrifice?

that's not noble.....it's stupid. you can't provide for your family when you're dead, and you won't have a family to provide for if they're dead. that argument makes zero sense.

go through the proper channels and take care of your family like you're supposed to. then you'll all have a healthy, prosperous life alive and together.

that being said, the entire process needs to be streamlined and reformed.

[Dawgnuts]

that's not noble.....it's stupid. you can't provide for your family when you're dead, and you won't have a family to provide for if they're dead. that argument makes zero sense.

go through the proper channels and take care of your family like you're supposed to. then you'll all have a healthy, prosperous life alive and together.

that being said, the entire process needs to be streamlined and reformed.


Or you take chances in your life that may kill you to provide for your family. Thats like saying people who are fightfighters are stupid because they risk their life to provide for their family.

There are risks involved in life.

I am 100% with it needs a complete reform. But do NOT blame the mexicans for coming here. If you do then look at your grandma and tell her to pack her shit and call INS on here. Don't expect them to stop until you fix i t.

[SkinJen]

No, they're playing stupid. It's real easy to find the proper channels to becoming a citizen. Leaving it to your boss doesn't fucking cut it. Ask all the legit aliens who are struggling through the admissions process.

Actualy this is a fairly common practice in the United States. If you're "Employer Attached" (have a job) it's alot eaiser to get a green card. A friend of mine from England did this and it expidited his application. Baisicly an employer promises to help a citizen from another country to help get citizenship in the States if they come to work for them. This is usualy in higher end jobs (My friend was a computer something or other), but this is also how lower end employers can dupe someone into this sort of thing- because it actualy does exist.

[Skones]

Or you take chances in your life that may kill you to provide for your family. Thats like saying people who are fightfighters are stupid because they risk their life to provide for their family.
Risking your life to save lives is just a tad bit different than crossing the desert to mow grass or pick fruit or work at Wendys...

Besides, every firefighter I know doesn't do it soley to support their family, there are many more jobs out there that provide a much better lifestyle...

I am 100% with it needs a complete reform. But do NOT blame the mexicans for coming here. If you do then look at your grandma and tell her to pack her shit and call INS on here. Don't expect them to stop until you fix i t.
You keep saying stuff like this, yet I don't think one person on here has advocated getting rid of ALL of the immigrants. The ILLEGAL ones on the other hand, are an entirely different story.

I know that when my great grandparents came through Ellis Island, they weren't breaking any immigration laws...

[Skones]

Actualy this is a fairly common practice in the United States. If you're "Employer Attached" (have a job) it's alot eaiser to get a green card. A friend of mine from England did this and it expidited his application. Baisicly an employer promises to help a citizen from another country to help get citizenship in the States if they come to work for them. This is usualy in higher end jobs (My friend was a computer something or other), but this is also how lower end employers can dupe someone into this sort of thing- because it actualy does exist.

Yeah, but if you just asssume that your employer is taking care of it, without checking on it, you're a sucker.

[Professor]

Risking your life to save lives is just a tad bit different than crossing the desert to mow grass or pick fruit or work at Wendys...

Besides, every firefighter I know doesn't do it soley to support their family, there are many more jobs out there that provide a much better lifestyle...


You keep saying stuff like this, yet I don't think one person on here has advocated getting rid of ALL of the immigrants. The ILLEGAL ones on the other hand, are an entirely different story.

I know that when my great grandparents came through Ellis Island, they weren't breaking any immigration laws...

couldn't have said it better myself. i'd rep you, but an illegal immigrant stole my greens, so i gotta share first. alas, the system has failed again.

[Johnny Rebel]

couldn't have said it better myself. i'd rep you, but an illegal immigrant stole my greens, so i gotta share first. alas, the system has failed again.


Already did Prof-

[SkinJen]

Yeah, but if you just asssume that your employer is taking care of it, without checking on it, you're a sucker.

I agree that it's up to you to follow up, I just wanted to point out that this program does exist and that's how some douche bag employers are stealing money from people trying to become legal. Wendy's isn't the first company to do this Wal-Mart is in big trouble right now for the same thing, only they were far more sinister in the way they did it. (This is not meant to open up another Wal-Mart discussion!)

[Hostilesouthern]

I try not to base my arguments on personal experience, as that can vary widely. I understand that sometimes its the quickest way though. I do it myself from time to time. Here you go:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8704136


A new culture is not moving in. They die and their children assimilate, and their children assimilate even more until they have completely lost all cultural ties to the original country.


The article you posted is in regards to immigrants and says nothing about Illegals, the topic is on Illegal immigration. Of course immigrants are not crushing the healthcare system, I was speaking directly about Illegals.

I'm curious as to why you feel a new culture is not moving in, the ideal standard of immigration is equal measures of a variety of immigrants, of all backgrounds. This keeps a nice balance. The massive flow from the Southern border is not in keeping with that in any way.

This thread has gotten to be the typical WSN name calling BS. Make your point like a damn adult or shut the fuck up.

[Martina]

I was making blanket statements. They dont apply to you and a few enlightened others. I do understand why the drug war is making it awful. Before we know it there are going to be 12 decapitations a week over here, and that is just not acceptable. And alot of the people coming from mexico have no buisness being here, hell M always comes home and tells me about so and so who ran from a murder charge. Im not saying to open up the borders, just put a system that works in place. The lady at the embassy in Juarez flat out told us that it took three years to get his greencard due to all the deportations, filing those takes precedence (sp) over everything else.

What should that tell you. A difficult situation was made more difficult because of illegals. Maybe if there wasn't so many trying to do it the fast and easy way and thus gettting caught, the wait wouldn't be so long.

[Jimmy]

The article you posted is in regards to immigrants and says nothing about Illegals, the topic is on Illegal immigration. Of course immigrants are not crushing the healthcare system, I was speaking directly about Illegals.

I'm curious as to why you feel a new culture is not moving in, the ideal standard of immigration is equal measures of a variety of immigrants, of all backgrounds. This keeps a nice balance. The massive flow from the Southern border is not in keeping with that in any way.

This thread has gotten to be the typical WSN name calling BS. Make your point like a damn adult or shut the fuck up.



Taken directly from that article:

"The researchers used U.S. government data taken in a 1998 survey from U.S. residents, including natural-born citizens, immigrants who had become citizens, temporary residents and illegal aliens."

My point has been made. Please learn to read and shut the fuck up.

[tiger beat]

I would love to see a fraction of the energy that is devoted towards lobbying, protesting et al to grant them any sort of amnesty directed towards marches in their own country demanding that Fox do something about the abject poverty & corruption.

Just because the legal immigration process is somewhat long & difficult does not mean that it should be circumvented just because someone can due to an un-manned border.

[Jimmy]

I would love to see a fraction of the energy that is devoted towards lobbying, protesting et al to grant them any sort of amnesty directed towards marches in their own country demanding that Fox do something about the abject poverty & corrupt