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fightgirrl

10-16-2006, 11:05 AM

Who will take it in the semis?

I for one think Serra will win it all.

grouchybastid

10-16-2006, 02:11 PM

Who will take it in the semis?

I for one think Serra will win it all.

I'm with you. Serra wants too badly to kick Shonie's ass to get tagged by a lucky shot again. And I, for one, want to see it happen.

DIYWMD

10-16-2006, 06:07 PM

Some asshole leaked the results on an internet radio show. I can't say nothin.

But did anyone see Anderson Silva fight Rich Franklin? It was sick

weknowhowtolive

10-16-2006, 06:50 PM

Some asshole leaked the results on an internet radio show. I can't say nothin.

But did anyone see Anderson Silva fight Rich Franklin? It was sickWho won? I refuse to pay for fights unless like 10 peopel are going in.

PUNISHER

10-16-2006, 06:55 PM

Serra definitely has it, but I gotta show support for my man Shonie.

PUNISHER

10-16-2006, 06:57 PM

Who won? I refuse to pay for fights unless like 10 peopel are going in.
Silva smashed the hell outta Franklin with knees so bad that while i was watching I said "wow, his knees are gonna be sore tomorrow." Silva smashed his nose to the side of Franklins face and continued to pound him on his feet. Franklin went down and the ref stopped it. It was a really fast fight, I was actually suprised by how dominating Silva was... kinda.

edit- Here's the beating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROr4d4oc0B0

It always makes me laugh when mma guys call a clinch a thai clinch.

weknowhowtolive

10-16-2006, 07:06 PM

Yeah i just saw it on YouTube...that was fuckin crazy. Franklin took like 20 knees to the face. Im glad to finally see a fight end standing. Im so fucking sick of people going to the ground and wasting like 3 minutes just laying there. They need to really change their stand up rules because its fucking boring.

PUNISHER

10-16-2006, 07:08 PM

weknowhowtolive

10-16-2006, 07:11 PM

They need to ban Sean Sherk from the UFC.Seriously, its a new trend for people who have no skills in ground work to just randomly take someone else to the ground who has no idea what they are doing either. I was watching a replay of TUF the other night and it was that black dude Dean and uhm...Lytle i think...i dont remember...they spent 3 rounds on the ground and NOTHING...it was fucking weak.

PUNISHER

10-16-2006, 07:27 PM

Seriously, its a new trend for people who have no skills in ground work to just randomly take someone else to the ground who has no idea what they are doing either. I was watching a replay of TUF the other night and it was that black dude Dean and uhm...Lytle i think...i dont remember...they spent 3 rounds on the ground and NOTHING...it was fucking weak.
UFC is a joke compared to what goes on in Japan and Brazil. Silva just proved this. UFC is a freak show and they need to start having 2 on 1's to keep it entertainig. Pretty soon fighters are gonna run out of enough blood to satisfy the dumbfuck mma fans of North America.

weknowhowtolive

10-16-2006, 07:43 PM

UFC is a joke compared to what goes on in Japan and Brazil. Silva just proved this. UFC is a freak show and they need to start having 2 on 1's to keep it entertainig. Pretty soon fighters are gonna run out of enough blood to satisfy the dumbfuck mma fans of North America.Ive never done anything big...i fought in some amature judo compititions when i was younger, and did kung fu for a few years...but im already getting sick of UFC. Pride seems like it has better more realistic MMA shit.

DIYWMD

10-16-2006, 07:43 PM

Seriously, its a new trend for people who have no skills in ground work to just randomly take someone else to the ground who has no idea what they are doing either. I was watching a replay of TUF the other night and it was that black dude Dean and uhm...Lytle i think...i dont remember...they spent 3 rounds on the ground and NOTHING...it was fucking weak.

Well, when someone's evenly matched in a grappling contest, it -is- like a chess match. Fun to play but boring to watch. Grappling can get boring, especially if it's a wrestler constantly trying to get position and ignoring real offense. There ARE a lot of blankets in MMA but for the most part I think you have to have a real keen interest in grappling to appreciate some fighters.

weknowhowtolive

10-16-2006, 07:45 PM

fightgirrl

10-16-2006, 10:07 PM

Thank God we had the Lytle fight on tivo we just ffwd through the "grappling".

PUNISHER

10-17-2006, 12:28 AM

Ive never done anything big...i fought in some amature judo compititions when i was younger, and did kung fu for a few years...but im already getting sick of UFC. Pride seems like it has better more realistic MMA shit.
It's not the format, it's the fighters and the presentation. UFC is turning into WWF. The fighters are all good but the best of the best aren't there. Also, too many wrestlers and bad matchups. You have to wait so long to see the best guys fight eachother when in Pride they give the fights to you in the blink of an eye. Fedor and Cro cop are already gonna be fighting again, that's unheard of in the ufc. Oh sorry guys, I forgot about Tito vs. Ken (rolls eyes).

PUNISHER

10-17-2006, 12:31 AM

Well, when someone's evenly matched in a grappling contest, it -is- like a chess match. Fun to play but boring to watch. Grappling can get boring, especially if it's a wrestler constantly trying to get position and ignoring real offense. There ARE a lot of blankets in MMA but for the most part I think you have to have a real keen interest in grappling to appreciate some fighters.
I don't think it's boring at all when you understand what's happening, but the fact that an awesome grappler will get on top of a dangerous striker is what will make it boring. The grappler will do whatever he can to keep the striker on the ground even if he has to make it boring, he's there to win, not to entertain bloodthirsty fans by getting his head kicked in.

weknowhowtolive

10-17-2006, 12:41 AM

I don't think it's boring at all when you understand what's happening, but the fact that an awesome grappler will get on top of a dangerous striker is what will make it boring. The grappler will do whatever he can to keep the striker on the ground even if he has to make it boring, he's there to win, not to entertain bloodthirsty fans by getting his head kicked in.I was speaking more of bad grappler vs bad grappler.

PUNISHER

10-17-2006, 12:44 AM

I was speaking more of bad grappler vs bad grappler.
Yeah, those suck too.:biggrin:

DIYWMD

10-17-2006, 01:08 AM

It's not the format, it's the fighters and the presentation. UFC is turning into WWF. The fighters are all good but the best of the best aren't there. Also, too many wrestlers and bad matchups. You have to wait so long to see the best guys fight eachother when in Pride they give the fights to you in the blink of an eye. Fedor and Cro cop are already gonna be fighting again, that's unheard of in the ufc. Oh sorry guys, I forgot about Tito vs. Ken (rolls eyes).

The UFC is full of rematches. Small talent pool

Jimmy

10-19-2006, 07:15 PM

Andrei is coming back in December!

Serra is going to beat Shonie.

Anderson Silva obliterated Rich Franklin.

Jimmy

10-19-2006, 07:19 PM

Yeah, those suck too.:biggrin:

Jan, you survey-taking fucker, a Chinese kid named Eddie, eh?:biggrin:

PUNISHER

10-19-2006, 10:30 PM

Andrei is coming back in December!

Serra is going to beat Shonie.

Anderson Silva obliterated Rich Franklin.
Sweet, who's Arlovski gonna fight?

Jimmy

10-20-2006, 09:10 PM

Sweet, who's Arlovski gonna fight?

Right now it looks like Marcio "Pe De Pano" Cruz.

DIYWMD

10-20-2006, 09:20 PM

I want to watch Serra fight again because he sounds like Tarzan when he goes for takedowns

fightgirrl

10-22-2006, 12:50 PM

yes he does, it was a good fight

grouchybastid

10-23-2006, 01:15 PM

It was a good fight, and I'm damn glad Serra pulled it off.

I also got a kick out of him ripping Laimon a new asshole. "Can't somebody be an expert on something by watching?" Uh....no dude, you can't.

fightgirrl

10-23-2006, 01:24 PM

that was too funny, my fav part was thats like saying you're a swimming expert and never get in the water. LMFAO

grouchybastid

10-23-2006, 05:18 PM

that was too funny, my fav part was thats like saying you're a swimming expert and never get in the water. LMFAO

hahahaha yeah, that was classic. V and I were laughing our asses off.

DIYWMD

10-23-2006, 05:41 PM

hahahaha yeah, that was classic. V and I were laughing our asses off.

I'm a dyed in the wool Gracie jiujitsu fan first and an MMA fan second and I thought it was bullshit that a submission wrestler would even think about talking shit on Royce. I'm sure it must happen more than I think but Mark Lame Man should be pistol whipped. Honor thy father, asshole.

grouchybastid

10-23-2006, 06:03 PM

I'm a dyed in the wool Gracie jiujitsu fan first and an MMA fan second and I thought it was bullshit that a submission wrestler would even think about talking shit on Royce. I'm sure it must happen more than I think but Mark Lame Man should be pistol whipped. Honor thy father, asshole.

Truth

LeftWingScum

10-24-2006, 11:22 PM

but im already getting sick of UFC. Pride seems like it has better more realistic MMA shit.

dana realized he can pay shit for 6 fights from the reality show on a PPV on an 8 fight card instead of having to pay decent fighters bigger money, and the PPV buys will still be big because of the mainstream draw of the reality show watchers. UFC will continue to blow with 1 good fight every 2 or 3 PPVs.

LeftWingScum

10-24-2006, 11:25 PM

I'm a dyed in the wool Gracie jiujitsu fan first and an MMA fan second and I thought it was bullshit that a submission wrestler would even think about talking shit on Royce.

after watching 1 hour and 45 minutes yesterday of the rediculousness that was saku/royce from GP 2000, i have a new disrespect for gracie jujitsu and royce in particular.

DIYWMD

10-24-2006, 11:43 PM

after watching 1 hour and 45 minutes yesterday of the rediculousness that was saku/royce from GP 2000, i have a new disrespect for gracie jujitsu and royce in particular.

Yeah, let's see you keep Sakuraba from submitting you for a couple of hours, OR take that kind of beating like a man. Wah wah wah.

LeftWingScum

10-25-2006, 12:35 AM

Yeah, let's see you keep Sakuraba from submitting you for a couple of hours, OR take that kind of beating like a man. Wah wah wah.

beating? i don't think either of them took a decent punch the whole fight. keep saku from submitting you...he's supposed to be the all powerful royce, and all he can do is stall for almost 2 fucking hours. christ on a crutch, worst fight since pride 1.

DIYWMD

10-25-2006, 12:49 AM

beating? i don't think either of them took a decent punch the whole fight. keep saku from submitting you...he's supposed to be the all powerful royce, and all he can do is stall for almost 2 fucking hours. christ on a crutch, worst fight since pride 1.

Yeah, it sucks if you judge fights by entertainment value. Of course you're not going to like a fight that long with little action. But Royce doesn't go out there to entertain people, he goes out there to protect himself and that's why I like Gracie Jiujitsu. The fact neither of them took a hard punch the whole fight isn't a reason for me to hate the fight. It's more interesting to me to see how they kept from being hit. Avoiding punches is pretty fun if you can do it.

PUNISHER

10-25-2006, 01:40 AM

I thought that fight was a great exhibition of a true jui jistu stylist against a true mma stylist. It's a fight that will be talked about 50 years from now.

LeftWingScum

10-25-2006, 01:42 AM

PUNISHER

10-25-2006, 01:47 AM

i understand what you're saying and that would be ok if that's how it went but that's not what happened. there was no ground battles, there was hardly an effort on either guy to try and end the fight. it was alot of boring clinches, holding and stalling.
That's true, it was like they were both afraid of making a mistake.

On another note Gracie Jiu jitsu is great and all but it's definitely overated. Nobody ever talks about Kimura nad he broke Helio's arm. Nobody ever talks about judo, that's why I'm a big fan of Pawel Nastula and Karo Parisian.

DIYWMD

10-25-2006, 03:47 AM

That's true, it was like they were both afraid of making a mistake.

On another note Gracie Jiu jitsu is great and all but it's definitely overated. Nobody ever talks about Kimura nad he broke Helio's arm. Nobody ever talks about judo, that's why I'm a big fan of Pawel Nastula and Karo Parisian.

Well, they did rename the hold after Kimura. People confuse Gracie Jiujitsu with sport Jiujitsu, I think. In my opinion the real Gracie Jiujitsu is vale tudo, that's how they used to test it against all those dudes from Mcdojos.

And I think Saku vs Royce was more of a fight between a catch wrestler and a BJJ stylist, and speaking of Judo I'm reminded of Ad Santel, another old timey wrestler worthy of a lot of respect.

From wiki:

"Ad Santel was credited to have fought first the major clash-of-the-styles match in modern martial arts history, against Tokugoro Ito, a 5th degree black belt in Judo from Japan.
The match in 1914 was one between two prime representatives of their respective crafts, Ad Santel was the World Light Heavyweight Champion in Catch Wrestling while Tokugoro Ito claimed to be the World Judo Champion.

Santel defeated Ito and went on to be the self proclaimed World Judo Champion. The response from Jigoro Kano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigoro_Kano)'s Kodokan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokan) was swift and came in the form of another challenger, 4th degree black belt Daisuke Sakai. Santel, however, still defeated the Kodokan Judo representative.

The challenge matches stopped after Santel, yet to taste defeat at the hands of any Kodokan representative, willingly gave up on the claim of being the World Judo Champion in 1921 in order to pursue a career in full time professional wrestling."

Anyways, losing respect to Royce over THAT of all fights is fucking ridiculous. If you want to be entertained, watch Total Recall, not Saku vs Royce. It's a two hour fight, you must have known it before seeing it LWS, did you expect two hours of sweeps and reversals?

Jimmy

10-26-2006, 11:06 AM

beating? i don't think either of them took a decent punch the whole fight. keep saku from submitting you...he's supposed to be the all powerful royce, and all he can do is stall for almost 2 fucking hours. christ on a crutch, worst fight since pride 1.

Royce Gracie's jiu-jitsu isn't anywhere near the top of the food chain. Guys like B.J. Penn, Ricardo Arona, Marcelo Garcia, Leo Viera, Ronaldo Jacare, and Roger Gracie would eat Royce's jiu-jitsu for breakfast.

I think people just assume he is a total badass at jiu-jitsu because they watch the old UFC's where no one knew any jiu-jitsu at all.

Jimmy

10-26-2006, 11:16 AM

Well, they did rename the hold after Kimura. People confuse Gracie Jiujitsu with sport Jiujitsu, I think. In my opinion the real Gracie Jiujitsu is vale tudo, that's how they used to test it against all those dudes from Mcdojos.

And I think Saku vs Royce was more of a fight between a catch wrestler and a BJJ stylist, and speaking of Judo I'm reminded of Ad Santel, another old timey wrestler worthy of a lot of respect.

From wiki:

"Ad Santel was credited to have fought first the major clash-of-the-styles match in modern martial arts history, against Tokugoro Ito, a 5th degree black belt in Judo from Japan.
The match in 1914 was one between two prime representatives of their respective crafts, Ad Santel was the World Light Heavyweight Champion in Catch Wrestling while Tokugoro Ito claimed to be the World Judo Champion.

Santel defeated Ito and went on to be the self proclaimed World Judo Champion. The response from Jigoro Kano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigoro_Kano)'s Kodokan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodokan) was swift and came in the form of another challenger, 4th degree black belt Daisuke Sakai. Santel, however, still defeated the Kodokan Judo representative.

The challenge matches stopped after Santel, yet to taste defeat at the hands of any Kodokan representative, willingly gave up on the claim of being the World Judo Champion in 1921 in order to pursue a career in full time professional wrestling."

Anyways, losing respect to Royce over THAT of all fights is fucking ridiculous. If you want to be entertained, watch Total Recall, not Saku vs Royce. It's a two hour fight, you must have known it before seeing it LWS, did you expect two hours of sweeps and reversals?

Another good match between a Catch wrestler and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu stylist is Masakatsu Funaki (who was trained by Yoshiaki Fujiwara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiaki_Fujiwara) who was trained by Karl Gotch) versus Rickson Gracie.

fightgirrl

10-26-2006, 12:21 PM

This is starting to turn into a fantasy fight thread, how the hell did that happen?

Jimmy

10-26-2006, 01:18 PM

This is starting to turn into a fantasy fight thread, how the hell did that happen?

I don't think anyone mentioned any fantasy fights... I could be wrong though.

King of all Buffets

10-26-2006, 05:37 PM