Non-leather boots

[mindy_does_stuff]

Doc's stopped making their nonleather boots, and my other pair of crap payless boots (which are made of leather, ironically) are falling apart, so I really need new ones, but I would prefer not to buy any new leather if I can help it.

Does anyone know of online stores that carry Doc-esque boots made entirely of man-made materials? I checked Ebay.

[PoundingNails]

Have you considered hollowing out a couple of eggplants? holy fuck...

[mindy_does_stuff]

Have you considered hollowing out a couple of eggplants? holy fuck...
Why is wanting non-leather boots so strange to you?
It's not some hippie thing, I just don't buy new leather for certain reasons.

[Tracy Radical]

Doc's stopped making their nonleather boots, and my other pair of crap payless boots (which are made of leather, ironically) are falling apart, so I really need new ones, but I would prefer not to buy any new leather if I can help it.

Does anyone know of online stores that carry Doc-esque boots made entirely of man-made materials? I checked Ebay.
hey where did ya go?
we missed you

[DIYWMD]

How about a nice bowl of farts mindy

[MadDoggy]

How about some Crocs, granola girl?

[socalsk1nhead]

Why is wanting non-leather boots so strange to you?
It's not some hippie thing, I just don't buy new leather for certain reasons.

I'm curious. What are your reasons?

[Argyleskin]

How about a nice bowl of farts mindy

Sig..
Thank you!

[mindy_does_stuff]

I'm curious. What are your reasons?
1) Labeling- a lot of leather comes from China, where they do not have strict labeling policies. Cat and dog leather is not unheard of, or even rare, and it does come over here, especially in cheaper leather products. I wouldn't tan my cat to wear as shoes.
2) Fair labor- in general, companies that specialize in vegan products (mostly against the exploitation of animals for consumption) also are against the exploitation of workers. Again, I'll cite China.
Now, I know theres no way to avoid completely buying products where something was made in China somewhere along the line, but it's better to consume as little of their product as possible than to blindly consume whatever crap is put in front of you.
3) Yes, higher end leather boots generally last a long time. Yeah, synthetics are bad for the environment because they last a long time. Thats the point. They last a long time. Skin eventually rots, even with all the chemicals in the tanning process, but high quality synthetics last, except maybe through fires, which I'm not planning on walking through anytime soon.
4) I'm against anything in general where someone or something was born with the intention that it's life would be to serve something else; Sex slaves, animals, or workers. And don't give me shit like "Well, at least they use the whole cow and don't just take the meat and leave the rest." Cattle raised for beef and those raised for skin are completely different.

I will, however, use previously used leather, since it's not creating a demand for the companies.


Satisfied?

[Danny_Mc]

http://www.veganline.com/xcap10-single-bigl.jpg


These are ok, they also do Doc copies (http://www.veganline.com/)

[Dutch Raven]

Get a pair of Vegetarians.

[Danny_Mc]

Get a pair of Vegetarians.


Yeah I had a pair of these (http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/) that lasted a good few years....

[socalsk1nhead]

Satisfied?


Now now. No need to get snippy.

[TxDevil]

Now now. No need to get snippy.

You really struck a nerve there, Joel. haha

[grouchybastid]

1) Labeling- a lot of leather comes from China, where they do not have strict labeling policies. Cat and dog leather is not unheard of, or even rare, and it does come over here, especially in cheaper leather products. I wouldn't tan my cat to wear as shoes.

I call bullshit on this one. Sounds like some typical vegan propaganda crap. Leather from a dog or cat wouldn't be NEARLY as thick or heavy as cow leather and wouldn't make very good boots. Cite a legit source.


3) Yes, higher end leather boots generally last a long time. Yeah, synthetics are bad for the environment because they last a long time. Thats the point. They last a long time. Skin eventually rots, even with all the chemicals in the tanning process, but high quality synthetics last, except maybe through fires, which I'm not planning on walking through anytime soon.

You have no idea what you're talking about here, do you? Here's a little clue for you, biodegradability. Look it up and learn what it means if you're going to be bringing the concept up in discussion.


4) I'm against anything in general where someone or something was born with the intention that it's life would be to serve something else; Sex slaves, animals, or workers. And don't give me shit like "Well, at least they use the whole cow and don't just take the meat and leave the rest." Cattle raised for beef and those raised for skin are completely different.

You're an idiot. Domestic cattle are a man-made breed of animal....they were created by humanity FOR humanity. So actually, using a cow for meat/milk/leather is EXACTLY what it was born for.


I will, however, use previously used leather, since it's not creating a demand for the companies.

Way to stick to your moral guns there.

[mindy_does_stuff]

You're an idiot. Domestic cattle are a man-made breed of animal....they were created by humanity FOR humanity. So actually, using a cow for meat/milk/leather is EXACTLY what it was born for.My personal belief is that that is not right, and I do not want to support that practice.




Way to stick to your moral guns there.I'd rather have it reused than sitting in a landfill, wasted.

[PoundingNails]

1) Labeling- a lot of leather comes from China, where they do not have strict labeling policies. Cat and dog leather is not unheard of, or even rare, and it does come over here, especially in cheaper leather products. I wouldn't tan my cat to wear as shoes.

I'd rock some cat slip-ons any god damn day of the week. Fucking useless animals to start with.


2) Fair labor- in general, companies that specialize in vegan products (mostly against the exploitation of animals for consumption) also are against the exploitation of workers. Again, I'll cite China.
Now, I know theres no way to avoid completely buying products where something was made in China somewhere along the line, but it's better to consume as little of their product as possible than to blindly consume whatever crap is put in front of you.

The global economy is what makes Chinese labor practices unfair, not us buying stuff from them. In fact the more work we throw their way, the better their labor standards will get. Simple supply and demand, try again.


3) Yes, higher end leather boots generally last a long time. Yeah, synthetics are bad for the environment because they last a long time. Thats the point. They last a long time. Skin eventually rots, even with all the chemicals in the tanning process, but high quality synthetics last, except maybe through fires, which I'm not planning on walking through anytime soon.

Bullshit. I've owned more than a couple of vegan skate shoes, and they fall apart in half the time of leather. You're refering to a molecules half-life, which has fuck all to do with durability.


4) I'm against anything in general where someone or something was born with the intention that it's life would be to serve something else; Sex slaves, animals, or workers. And don't give me shit like "Well, at least they use the whole cow and don't just take the meat and leave the rest." Cattle raised for beef and those raised for skin are completely different.

I will, however, use previously used leather, since it's not creating a demand for the companies.


Satisfied?


Holly fuck. I guess we should wipe the rest of the worlds predators out too, since they don't fit your idealistic notion of the world at large. Animals are a renewable resource...period.

STFU.


...Idiot...
Nicely done.

[grouchybastid]

My personal belief is that that is not right, and I do not want to support that practice.



I'd rather have it reused than sitting in a landfill, wasted.


Sorry I was wrong before. You're not an idiot.

You're a fucking moron.

[grouchybastid]

I'd rock some cat slip-ons any god damn day of the week.

Damn, that sounds comfy.

[MadDoggy]

Cat shoes are a fact. This picture was recently smuggled out of Jiangsu Province:

http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/_/c/tuk_shoes.jpg

[DIYWMD]

How come she's still here?

[TxDevil]

My personal belief is that that is not right, and I do not want to support that practice.



I'd rather have it reused than sitting in a landfill, wasted.

This whole thing is a bit hypocritical.

[mindy_does_stuff]

This whole thing is a bit hypocritical.
what i do depends on the circumstances.
If there is a pair of perfectly good, used leather boots, that will otherwise be thrown out, i'll salvage them. it's better than letting them lay in a landfill, and it does not create more demand for the skin. If i were to buy them new, that would be creating demand for the leather; something i do not want to do.

[DIYWMD]

what i do depends on the circumstances.
If there is a pair of perfectly good, used leather boots, that will otherwise be thrown out, i'll salvage them. it's better than letting them lay in a landfill, and it does not create more demand for the skin. If i were to buy them new, that would be creating demand for the leather; something i do not want to do.

What if they took the money you gave them for the boots and they went out and bought a dog-torturing kit? Or that coathanger thing you hang an animal upside down on when you stick it in the neck and bleed it out?

[Argyleskin]

what i do depends on the circumstances.
If there is a pair of perfectly good, used leather boots, that will otherwise be thrown out, i'll salvage them. it's better than letting them lay in a landfill, and it does not create more demand for the skin. If i were to buy them new, that would be creating demand for the leather; something i do not want to do.

You could always use your boyfriend with the bad tattoo..he can hold the plastic store baggies on your feet as you walk. Get a hole in one, you got back up cause you recycle. No animals killed, your boyfriend makes penance for such a crap tattoo and you look stylish with CVS across your foot.

As for supply and demand in footwear...Bullshit. They make'em and will keep making them whether you buy them or not. Why? Because someone somewhere is going to buy them. Very rarely does a line of shoe go belly up, when they do now a days the line is either ripped apart and bits used for other shoes or they are given away to look good come tax time.

Now, go fetch your Whole Foods duffle bag with the plastic baggies in'em..your boyfriend is waiting.

[mindy_does_stuff]

Alright, what is so wrong about asking where to get nonleather boots?

[TxDevil]

Alright, what is so wrong about asking where to get nonleather boots?

Just tell us the real reason - you're a hemp wearing vegan hippie - and we'll be all alright. Don't come on here trying to throw some "deep" meaningful crappy excuses at us. We see through your hypocritical bullshit.

I won't buy any new leather cause it's against what I believe but I will sure buy these used leather boots. Uhh. Ok.

http://www.sleazyb.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/evil_monkey.jpg

[Tracy Radical]

Alright, what is so wrong about asking where to get nonleather boots?
if you read everyones posts its not that you asked where to get them, its that your stupid. now if you want some help shut up and show some titties

[Argyleskin]

if you read everyones posts its not that you asked where to get them, its that your stupid. now if you want some help shut up and show some titties

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/Ethera/hose2.jpg

Don't make me get the hose,Tracy.

[Oscar]

Doc's stopped making their nonleather boots, and my other pair of crap payless boots (which are made of leather, ironically) are falling apart, so I really need new ones, but I would prefer not to buy any new leather if I can help it.

Does anyone know of online stores that carry Doc-esque boots made entirely of man-made materials? I checked Ebay.

i have a pair of non leather TUK... same makers as gripfast and you can't even tell they are synthetic. you can even get steel capped ones.

[DIYWMD]

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[mindy_does_stuff]

i have a pair of non leather TUK... same makers as gripfast and you can't even tell they are synthetic. you can even get steel capped ones.

Couldn't find em on their website, but thanks for the info! found some great dress shoes there too.

[MazelTovCocktail]

are you in fact a vegan? if you are, then there's no way that you would wear someone else's leather because it's still part of a dead animal...if you're not, then what's with all the fucking bullshit spewing from your mouth? either way, you lose.

[mindy_does_stuff]

are you in fact a vegan? if you are, then there's no way that you would wear someone else's leather because it's still part of a dead animal...if you're not, then what's with all the fucking bullshit spewing from your mouth? either way, you lose.

I am, but my justification for used leather is this : It would show more respect for the animal to give the product a second life than to let it go unused and thrown away when the product still is usable. Of course, I wouldn't just say to a friend "Oh, you bought a new leather jacket and wore it twice? Can I buy it, so I can say it's used, and then you buy a new one?" I only use leather goods that would otherwise be thrown away, or that from thrift stores. Call me a hippie if you want, whatever. I see nothing wrong with what I'm doing.

[MazelTovCocktail]

I am, but my justification for used leather is this : It would show more respect for the animal to give the product a second life than to let it go unused and thrown away when the product still is usable. Of course, I wouldn't just say to a friend "Oh, you bought a new leather jacket and wore it twice? Can I buy it, so I can say it's used, and then you buy a new one?" I only use leather goods that would otherwise be thrown away, or that from thrift stores. Call me a hippie if you want, whatever. I see nothing wrong with what I'm doing.

so if you're over at a friend's house after they just killed some deer and he couldn't finish it, would you eat it, so it doesn't go to waste and it wouldn't have to die in vain?

[mindy_does_stuff]

so if you're over at a friend's house after they just killed some deer and he couldn't finish it, would you eat it, so it doesn't go to waste and it wouldn't have to die in vain?

Physically, I couldn't digest it, but if they had too much to store in a freezer, it'd probably go to a meat-eating friend.

Only one of my friends hunts though, so I can't say I've ever had that problem.

[Freezingmaw]

Physically, I couldn't digest it, but if they had too much to store in a freezer, it'd probably go to a meat-eating friend.

Only one of my friends hunts though, so I can't say I've ever had that problem.

Digest a shotgun shell and quit posting.

People who use retard logic, like the OP should be banned. Fucking hippy shoes.

[GApeachSkingirl]

Digest a shotgun shell and quit posting.

People who use retard logic, like the OP should be banned. Fucking hippy shoes.

hahahahaahahahaha That made me choke on my food.

[MazelTovCocktail]

hahahahaahahahaha That made me choke on my food.

i hope it wasn't....MEAT!

[GApeachSkingirl]

i hope it wasn't....MEAT!

It wasn't actually food... I was eating a leather boot that someone gave me.

I didn't want it to go to waste. :rolleyes:

[MazelTovCocktail]

It wasn't actually food... I was eating a leather boot that someone gave me.

I didn't want it to go to waste. :rolleyes:


you my dear, are aweosme

[Oscar]

are you in fact a vegan? if you are, then there's no way that you would wear someone else's leather because it's still part of a dead animal...if you're not, then what's with all the fucking bullshit spewing from your mouth? either way, you lose.
vegan is only about the diet...

[American and Proud84]

I am, but my justification for used leather is this : It would show more respect for the animal to give the product a second life than to let it go unused and thrown away when the product still is usable. Of course, I wouldn't just say to a friend "Oh, you bought a new leather jacket and wore it twice? Can I buy it, so I can say it's used, and then you buy a new one?" I only use leather goods that would otherwise be thrown away, or that from thrift stores. Call me a hippie if you want, whatever. I see nothing wrong with what I'm doing.

I heard vegans now chew and eat glass...you should try that...

[MazelTovCocktail]

vegan is only about the diet...]

really? when's the last time you saw a vegan wearing leather or fur?

[grouchybastid]

vegan is only about the diet...

Not in my experience. Every vegan I've ever come across has made it into a lifestyle as well as a political choice.

[Oscar]

]

really? when's the last time you saw a vegan wearing leather or fur?
quite often... but i can for sure see how you would make the connection. i don't hang out with any crusty/anracho/what-have-you vegans, but i know several that work out in the same gym i do who wear leather shoes and lifting belts. i hear what yer saying though... the originator of this post needs a good 4-7 lashes.
i also know a handful of vegans that shop at the health food store i do that eat honey, as honey is not an animal product, but a product made by animals.
i just came off a 6 month vegan kick myself, and wore my sambas and gripfasts all the time. i've done it before for years at a time, but maybe a 6 month time frame isn't enough to consider oneself vegan if one just goes back to consuming non-vegan food so quickly. whatever. i'm right. you're wrong. at least you're good lookin'...

Not in my experience. Every vegan I've ever come across has made it into a lifestyle as well as a political choice.
meh. you mean every vegan you've met who told you they were vegan and/or tried to push it down your throat.

[MazelTovCocktail]

quite often... but i can for sure see how you would make the connection. i don't hang out with any crusty/anracho/what-have-you vegans, but i know several that work out in the same gym i do who wear leather shoes and lifting belts. i hear what yer saying though... the originator of this post needs a good 4-7 lashes.
i also know a handful of vegans that shop at the health food store i do that eat honey, as honey is not an animal product, but a product made by animals.
i just came off a 6 month vegan kick myself, and wore my sambas and gripfasts all the time. i've done it before for years at a time, but maybe a 6 month time frame isn't enough to consider oneself vegan if one just goes back to consuming non-vegan food so quickly. whatever. i'm right. you're wrong. at least you're good lookin'...


meh. you mean every vegan you've met who told you they were vegan and/or tried to push it down your throat.


there are true vegans and there are "dietary vegans"...dietary vegans only discontinue the consumption of flesh when true vegans (and true vegans do not eat honey) take nothing from an animal...

[grouchybastid]

meh. you mean every vegan you've met who told you they were vegan and/or tried to push it down your throat.

Nope. Two of my good buddies were/are married to vegans and those ladies had a buttload of vegan friends. Nobody tried to push anything, but there were plenty of discussions about it.

Eh, whatever. Veganism as both a diet and a political stance is retarded.

[Blue Blood]

This thread makes me want to bitch-slap a vegan with a 32oz steak.

[J_BCS]

This thread makes me want to bitch-slap a vegan with a 32oz steak.Don't waste a good steak like that cuz!

[grouchybastid]

This thread makes me want to bitch-slap a vegan with a 32oz steak.

Don't waste a good steak like that cuz!

Seriously. Stab the vegan with the steak knife, then eat the steak. :biggrin:

[DIYWMD]

I like telling vegans how great it is when the blood from my steak seasons my potatos

[Blue Blood]

I like telling vegans how great it is when the blood from my steak seasons my potatos
That's the truth..some things transcend space,time,even politics..& that's steak & potatos..

[American and Proud84]

I always like saying to my sister who is a lax vegitarian and friend of my buddies band who she is just a crazy vegan at times...."the best invention ever...the brain hammer...quick death and good eats".

[DIYWMD]

I always like saying to my sister who is a lax vegitarian and friend of my buddies band who she is just a crazy vegan at times...."the best invention ever...the brain hammer...quick death and good eats".

Does a lax vegan only eat herbal laxitives

[American and Proud84]

Does a lax vegan only eat herbal laxitives


haha i knew someone was gonna pick up that word...no she is a person who eats vegan or vegatarian and then flip flops back and forth...i give her shit for it on a regular basis.

[micky]

1) Labeling- a lot of leather comes from China, where they do not have strict labeling policies. Cat and dog leather is not unheard of, or even rare, and it does come over here, especially in cheaper leather products. I wouldn't tan my cat to wear as shoes.
2) Fair labor- in general, companies that specialize in vegan products (mostly against the exploitation of animals for consumption) also are against the exploitation of workers. Again, I'll cite China.
Now, I know theres no way to avoid completely buying products where something was made in China somewhere along the line, but it's better to consume as little of their product as possible than to blindly consume whatever crap is put in front of you.
3) Yes, higher end leather boots generally last a long time. Yeah, synthetics are bad for the environment because they last a long time. Thats the point. They last a long time. Skin eventually rots, even with all the chemicals in the tanning process, but high quality synthetics last, except maybe through fires, which I'm not planning on walking through anytime soon.
4) I'm against anything in general where someone or something was born with the intention that it's life would be to serve something else; Sex slaves, animals, or workers. And don't give me shit like "Well, at least they use the whole cow and don't just take the meat and leave the rest." Cattle raised for beef and those raised for skin are completely different.

I will, however, use previously used leather, since it's not creating a demand for the companies.


Satisfied?

i remember ideals. :rolleyes:

[TimmyTwoTone]

wow . . . . didn't know I was at hippies.net

[Argyleskin]

wow . . . . didn't know I was at hippies.net
Yes, yes you are. We're doing nicknames and you've been dubbed "Tamborine Man". Lucky you, poor DIYWD got "Puff the magic dragon.."

[MazelTovCocktail]

Yes, yes you are. We're doing nicknames and you've been dubbed "Tamborine Man". Lucky you, poor DIYWD got "Puff the magic dragon.."

that's funny, i figured i'd get named puff with all the smoking i do.

[TxDevil]

that's funny, i figured i'd get named puff with all the smoking i do.

:hippy:

[MazelTovCocktail]

:hippy:
:fuyou_2:

[TxDevil]

:fuyou_2:

You love me. Shush.

[MrsMonse]

Yes, yes you are. We're doing nicknames and you've been dubbed "Tamborine Man". Lucky you, poor DIYWD got "Puff the magic dragon.."

I wanna be Iron Butterfly please :rolleyes:

[MrsMonse]

I am, but my justification for used leather is this : It would show more respect for the animal to give the product a second life than to let it go unused and thrown away when the product still is usable. Of course, I wouldn't just say to a friend "Oh, you bought a new leather jacket and wore it twice? Can I buy it, so I can say it's used, and then you buy a new one?" I only use leather goods that would otherwise be thrown away, or that from thrift stores. Call me a hippie if you want, whatever. I see nothing wrong with what I'm doing.


this is so fucking stupid, why do you keep trying to look smart? you're not, fuck off, you frustrated hippie

[TimmyTwoTone]

this is so fucking stupid, why do you keep trying to look smart? you're not, fuck off, you frustrated hippie


maybe he hates the jews?

[MazelTovCocktail]

maybe he hates the jews?

what the hell are you talking about? mindy is a guy and so is monse

[TxDevil]

what the hell are you talking about? mindy is a guy and so is monse

Smoking the wacky tobacky??

[MazelTovCocktail]

Smoking the wacky tobacky??

hahaa, i meant girl, my b

[MrsMonse]

what the hell are you talking about? mindy is a guy and so is monse

Aaaahahahahaha WTF Sara?




Well... maybe Mindy used to be one...... hhhmmmmmm


Now, seriously, what is this guy talking about???

[micky]

what about all the animals that die so we can have farms?

[TimmyTwoTone]

Aaaahahahahaha WTF Sara?




Well... maybe Mindy used to be one...... hhhmmmmmm


Now, seriously, what is this guy talking about???

you asked why he would try to still dress smart . . . . not that i'm saying bones dress smart

[TimmyTwoTone]

i was refering to the hippy not you

[MrsMonse]

you asked why he would try to still dress smart . . . . not that i'm saying bones dress smart


Again... "he" is a she... and I was refering to the mind, not the clothes

[WBC]

you asked why he would try to still dress smart . . . . not that i'm saying bones dress smart

what the fuck are you on about?

[oldcrow]

what the fuck are you on about?

he don't know bro....

[TimmyTwoTone]

what the fuck are you on about?

Again... "he" is a she... and I was refering to the mind, not the clothes

alright i didn't notice he is she . . . and Bones meaning bonehead. don't worry about it, it was a joke.

[MrsMonse]

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

[AttitudeSkin]

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg
dinner!