Man harrassed for wearing arab t-shirt

[King of all Buffets]

The best line is a sentiment that many north american Muslims share.

"It sucks to be an Arab/Muslim living in the US these days. When you go to the middle east, you are a US tax-payer destroying people's houses with your money, and when you come back to the US, you are a suspected terrorist and plane hijacker."


http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/JFK_story.html

[Dutch Raven]

If you don't like it 'here', get the fuck out!

There are a lot of muslims complaining about the way they are treated over here. But do you ever hear a positive sound from the muslim community? No!
It's always: "We do not condone the actions of terrists, BUT..." And then there comes something about understanding them on some level.

If you don't like the way you are treated, do something about it. And I'm not talking complaining.

Don't know about the situation over there, but that's how it is over here.

[Chicagoskin]

that sucks, personally though i would have wondered what his shirt said, and the whole "we will not be silent" could be something a terrorist would have wanted to say, they did not have to change his seat, but they had the right (IMO) to ask him to change his shirt, rather than induce panic (wich would also be rediculous but plausable) he should have just turned it inside out, on the brighter side, he got a free t-shirt!:D

[King of all Buffets]

that sucks, personally though i would have wondered what his shirt said, and the whole "we will not be silent" could be something a terrorist would have wanted to say, they did not have to change his seat, but they had the right (IMO) to ask him to change his shirt, rather than induce panic (wich would also be rediculous but plausable) he should have just turned it inside out, on the brighter side, he got a free t-shirt!:D

He said it was printed in english underneath and its not an arab exclusive t-shirt, he got it in washington and it came in a number of languages. I see people every day that wear arab t-shirts I dont understand why this was such a huge deal.

[weknowhowtolive]

Boo fucking hoo. I wouldnt get on the plane with him. If you're dumb enough to be arab, wear a shirt with arab script that says "we shall not be silent" and get on a fucking plane, and you cant put all that together, you're a dumbass.
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Isnt JetBlue a company? Cant they refuse service to you? Who makes the rules, you or them? If i walked on wearing a shirt in Arabic i would be dissapointed if i wasnt questioned.

[King of all Buffets]

If you don't like it 'here', get the fuck out!

There are a lot of muslims complaining about the way they are treated over here. But do you ever hear a positive sound from the muslim community? No!
It's always: "We do not condone the actions of terrists, BUT..." And then there comes something about understanding them on some level.

If you don't like the way you are treated, do something about it. And I'm not talking complaining.

Don't know about the situation over there, but that's how it is over here.

The Muslim groups in canada are very vocal on the radio and tv to time and time again say that they do not support terrorism, terrorist and this goes againt islam. What do you suggest they do about it, is it unresonable that this man wanted to ask for a supervisor?....and IMO he is doing something about it, he is bring awareness to the situation..not a petty lawsuit or act of retalitory violence.

[King of all Buffets]

Boo fucking hoo. I wouldnt get on the plane with him. If you're dumb enough to be arab, wear a shirt with arab script that says "we shall not be silent" and get on a fucking plane, and you cant put all that together, you're a dumbass.
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Isnt JetBlue a company? Cant they refuse service to you? Who makes the rules, you or them? If i walked on wearing a shirt in Arabic i would be dissapointed if i wasnt questioned.

I'm sure if it was a jew being asked to take of a shirt with a Hebrew msg then everbody would be up in arms.....Israel flags as there avatars and all that:D

[weknowhowtolive]

I'm sure if it was a jew being asked to take of a shirt with a Hebrew msg then everbody would be up in arms.....Israel flags as there avatars and all that:DHahaha probably. I wouldnt side with him then either. I would also expect some harassment if i went to say...Pakistan, wearing some slogan in Israeli..haha.

[Dutch Raven]

The Muslim groups in canada are very vocal on the radio and tv to time and time again say that they do not support terrorism, terrorist and this goes againt islam. What do you suggest they do about it, is it unresonable that this man wanted to ask for a supervisor?....and IMO he is doing something about it, he is bring awareness to the situation..not a petty lawsuit or act of retalitory violence.

Over here, they are not.
Like I said: "Don't know about the situation over there, but that's how it is over here."

And in that case, this shit is redicoulus.

Over here they expect to see a oneway system of respect from non-muslims to muslims. They don't care about the other way around.

(*they = majority of muslims, not all)

Btw. I wouldn't feel OK with him in this situation.

[weknowhowtolive]

I dont see any respect from Muslims. Disdain is more the word.

[King of all Buffets]

Hahaha probably. I wouldnt side with him then either. I would also expect some harassment if i went to say...Pakistan, wearing some slogan in Israeli..haha.

I see why the dudes frustrated though..he get treatted liek a terrorist, then when he visits the middle east they treat him like an evil American...thats got to be disheartening

Over here, they are not.
Like I said: "Don't know about the situation over there, but that's how it is over here."

And in that case, this shit is redicoulus.

Over here they expect to see a oneway system of respect from non-muslims to muslims. They don't care about the other way around.

(*they = majority of muslims, not all)

that must be why i get so fired up about this issue because i see the canadian muslims really putting the effort out there....even in my town there is a big Jewish- Muslim- Christian interfaith group thats alway trying to promote events and do frequent trips to each others place of worship..

I dont know why european Muslims would act like that because being silent and taking an indignant attitude would help them at all.

[Dutch Raven]

that must be why i get so fired up about this issue because i see the canadian muslims really putting the effort out there....even in my town there is a big Jewish- Muslim- Christian interfaith group thats alway trying to promote events and do frequent trips to each others place of worship..

I dont know why european Muslims would act like that because being silent and taking an indignant attitude would help them at all.

The muslims over here make no to very little effort to talk about terrorism, their youth being annoying bitches, etc.
Like you say: they're putting themselves in a difficult position.

That's why I get fired up about muslims in general. ;)

[Blue Blood]

The Muslim groups in canada are very vocal on the radio and tv to time and time again say that they do not support terrorism, terrorist and this goes againt islam. What do you suggest they do about it, is it unresonable that this man wanted to ask for a supervisor?....and IMO he is doing something about it, he is bring awareness to the situation..not a petty lawsuit or act of retalitory violence.

Really?
That's great.I've heard of ONE muslim speaking out against hatred & terrorism(might as well kill two birds with one stone) in Massachusetts.
The incident took place in Sharon,Ma. after some stoopid kids vandalised a synagogue.

[Mike]

I hate it when people politicize common sense issues and get outraged after doing stupid shit. The world is the way it is, many people and countries are divided or in conflict due to the usual, religion, culture, race, economics, self-interest, etc. Reality.

When traveling in the current climate we live in, certain common sense practices apply: If Arab and traveling in the U.S., U.K., or Europe, it is common sense not to do anything to exacerbate the security problem (i.e. being Arabic, wearing Arabic themed clothing with a message that can be construed as threatening) if you do, be prepared to be stopped and checked, no big fucking mystery here, if he wants to exercise his freedom of speech in this current political climate, great, but be prepared to deal with the consequences of exercising those rights, it's called reality not utopia.

By the same token, when Caucasian Americans travel abroad (India, Middle East, Africa, South America) it is common sense not to tie an American Flag to your back and wear T-shirts with George Bush quotes on them. Sure you can, but be prepared to deal with the reactions this will cause. Common fucking sense, everybody is so ready to pull the race card and pervert the issues due to their own agenda and self-interests.

Don't expect to change the world to fit your personal needs. I find that if I treat people with respect when traveling, I get that respect back ten-fold and I have traveled to some truly fucked up places in the diamond marketing business.

Stupid fucks deserve stupid reactions.

[siobahn]

he should have just changed the fucking shirt.

a few days ago a flight out of london was delayed for hours because the majority of the passengers were uncomfortable because two men were speaking arabic. they refused to fly until the men were removed from the plane and transferred to another flight. now does this mean that airlines are banning the arabic language? nope (not yet anyway)... but they have to think about the comfort of their customers.

The Muslim groups in canada are very vocal on the radio and tv to time and time again say that they do not support terrorism, terrorist and this goes againt islam. What do you suggest they do about it,those same groups also make excuses for extremists in their communities, and are protective of people who preach hatred against the west rather than co-operating to any great extent with authorities.

i suggest they institute real measures to prevent the spread of terrorist ideas rather than time and again paying lip service to it, then turning around and crying oppression every time intelligence services try to do their job.

i see the canadian muslims really putting the effort out there....even in my town there is a big Jewish- Muslim- Christian interfaith group thats alway trying to promote events and do frequent trips to each others place of worship..ok, so what about that mosque in mississauga that advertised a 'muslim information session' which they made sure to tell all the media about, but only advertised to fellow muslims? it was two days long and only one non-muslim couple showed up the entire time - and they walked in by chance off the street. what about those guys who were arrested for conspiracy in toronto, the majority of whom attended the same mosque, that had the community up in arms defending the right to preach radical islam without scrutiny?

Over here, they are not.
Like I said: "Don't know about the situation over there, but that's how it is over here."...Over here they expect to see a oneway system of respect from non-muslims to muslims. They don't care about the other way around.so you see, things pretty much are the same over here (although i will admit that they don't go to quite - but almost - the same lengths to appease them)... it just depends on who's looking. ;)

[King of all Buffets]

he should have just changed the fucking shirt.

a few days ago a flight out of london was delayed for hours because the majority of the passengers were uncomfortable because two men were speaking arabic. they refused to fly until the men were removed from the plane and transferred to another flight. now does this mean that airlines are banning the arabic language? nope (not yet anyway)... but they have to think about the comfort of their customers.

That is setting a horrible precident, its a racist practice....what about if the white women on the plane felt uncomfotable about the black men 2 rows up, could they ask them to be removed?



those same groups also make excuses for extremists in their communities, and are protective of people who preach hatred against the west rather than co-operating to any great extent with authorities.

Thats bullshit ...when and where are these groups defending terrorism?



i suggest they institute real measures to prevent the spread of terrorist ideas rather than time and again paying lip service to it, then turning around and crying oppression every time intelligence services try to do their job.

A cleric in a Toronto mosque was preaching about Jihad and suicde bombings and the congregants were so outraged at his hate speech that they dragged him into the street and beat his ass.....do that sound like tolerance for terrrist ideals?



ok, so what about that mosque in mississauga that advertised a 'muslim information session' which they made sure to tell all the media about, but only advertised to fellow muslims? it was two days long and only one non-muslim couple showed up the entire time - and they walked in by chance off the street.

How was it advertised only to Muslims yet all they media knew about it?



what about those guys who were arrested for conspiracy in toronto, the majority of whom attended the same mosque, that had the community up in arms defending the right to preach radical islam without scrutiny?

not true they have interviewed many muslims from that Mosque and they did nothing but denouce the actions of those boys.

[bacon_lettuce_tomato]

The best line is a sentiment that many north american Muslims share.

"It sucks to be an Arab/Muslim living in the US these days. When you go to the middle east, you are a US tax-payer destroying people's houses with your money, and when you come back to the US, you are a suspected terrorist and plane hijacker."


http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/JFK_story.html
A lot of motherfuckers crucify themselves. There was old boy I had class with at the CC last year. Light complection, 3rd generation american, but he always bitched and moaned about how hard it was to be an arab in the US this day in age. He didnt have a hard time, he was just some douche who wanted the spotlight.

[King of all Buffets]

A lot of motherfuckers crucify themselves. There was old boy I had class with at the CC last year. Light complection, 3rd generation american, but he always bitched and moaned about how hard it was to be an arab in the US this day in age. He didnt have a hard time, he was just some douche who wanted the spotlight.

Do you know that for a fact or are you just writting him off as a whiney camel jockey.

[Chicagoskin]

Do you know that for a fact or are you just writting him off as a whiney camel jockey.
i prefer raghead to camel jockey

[Blue Blood]

i prefer raghead to camel jockey
Or you could go with the tried & tested 'sand******'.

Where is the Fawad??

[WH Jay]

a few days ago a flight out of london was delayed for hours because the majority of the passengers were uncomfortable because two men were speaking arabic. they refused to fly until the men were removed from the plane and transferred to another flight. now does this mean that airlines are banning the arabic language? nope (not yet anyway)... but they have to think about the comfort of their customers.




That is not the full story though...
It was a flight from Southern Spain to London and the men were both wearing sweaters and coats in hot weather and were constantly checking their watches whilst speaking Urdu in fact, ha ha....
To be fair though, the two men admitted that it looked odd and did not really mind peoples reaction as much as the usual western-hating British liberal pinkos who always complain about this sort of thing...

[siobahn]

That is setting a horrible precident, its a racist practice....what about if the white women on the plane felt uncomfotable about the black men 2 rows up, could they ask them to be removed?if the majority of them did, it is up to the airline to decide. what would you do if you if the majority of your passengers were refusing to fly? remove the problem or lose the ticket sales, simple decision.

more than that, at what point do you say that safety cannot be compromised - or, if you will, people's rights must be infringed - regardless of avoiding racist practices? racial profiling is racist, isn't it? yet there are many cases where it's completely necessary.

Thats bullshit ...when and where are these groups defending terrorism?not defending terrorism (they would have to be complete morons to do that) - defending people who preach hatred against the west.

for example, the canadian council on american-islamic relations has repeatedly protested the 'right' of the british imam riyad ul-haq to visit canada. (the canadian government has barred him from entering due to the fact that he encourages his followers to conduct jihad against the west.)

A cleric in a Toronto mosque was preaching about Jihad and suicde bombings and the congregants were so outraged at his hate speech that they dragged him into the street and beat his ass.....do that sound like tolerance for terrrist ideals?what's your source for this? i remember searching for it when you posted this on the old site, didn't find anything on that story.

what i did find (which is also included in the article i reference below) is an account of how one of the terror suspects from toronto had been roughed up a bit (not exactly having his ass beaten either) when he was supposed to introduce a member of parliament to an event, and instead insulted him:
"When this guy came out, a few people, 10 or 15 young people grabbed him by the collar and pushed him around," he said. "They swore at him and said we allow you in here but it’s not for you to come and talk nonsense. You are insulting a member of Parliament and you are talking nonsense about Canada ... He was kind of intimidated and he took off.How was it advertised only to Muslims yet all they media knew about it?they sent press releases. other than that, it was advertised only at mosques, and a few posters were put up (which had convenient arab headings for their christian and jewish brothers). they covered this on the news, CTV about 6 weeks ago.

not true they have interviewed many muslims from that Mosque and they did nothing but denouce the actions of those boys.again, it's not about condemning their particular actions. anyone who didn't do this would be crucified by the media and the community at large... other muslims too because whether or not they agree, it would bring heat/racist actions to their doorstep. anyway, muslim leaders still seem to be more concerned with advocacy than prevention of terrorist acts.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=bc7c86b1-7f67-4b69-9edf-035e8ca42fab&k=5708

"The Al-Rahman centre was an extremist hub, but not a terror extreme, just extreme in their interpretation,"interesting term, 'terror extreme'. they defend their extreme interpretation despite the fact that it leads to terrorism.
"I am sure, 100 per cent, none of these guys would do anything in Canada," Mr. Hindy said, adding he was aware some of the men from both mosques were being tailed by CSIS and the RCMP.if i knew a bunch of people who were being tailed by csis and the rcmp, i damn sure wouldn't be 100% certain that none of them would do anything in canada. either he's full of shit or his judgement is seriously flawed (which probably isn't a good thing either, considering).

the same imam was also quoted on the news (global i believe) stating that they have every right to practice their form of islam without government investigation.

put two and two together, and those who long for anti-racist multicultural harmony are appeased, but it does not bode well for everyone else.

[siobahn]

That is not the full story though...
It was a flight from Southern Spain to London and the men were both wearing sweaters and coats in hot weather and were constantly checking their watches whilst speaking Urdu in fact, ha ha....jeez.. why would they wear coats? i wouldn't want to be on that plane either... but i'll be sure to bitch out my bf for giving me the wrong info. :)

[Weasel]

shit, they were probably doing it for his own protection. i know more than a few people that wouldn't mind smacking a dude wearing a shirt like that.

[sevenatenine]

A lot of motherfuckers crucify themselves. There was old boy I had class with at the CC last year. Light complection, 3rd generation american, but he always bitched and moaned about how hard it was to be an arab in the US this day in age. He didnt have a hard time, he was just some douche who wanted the spotlight.
Haha its not hard at all, what a douche
I didnt read the whole thread but yeah...going into an airport speaking arabic with a shirt that said what it said.....yeah..you can fucking expect to be stopped.
With the recent events,middle eastern people should take into consideration as to how they are putting them selves off to other people

Edit:
Also, This guy know exactly why they did this to him, he's just playing stupid to try to make a point.

[eddie shots]

Or you could go with the tried & tested 'sand******'.

Where is the Fawad??


yeah. fawads opinion is the be all and end all. haha. again, if you dont like it leave. i cant even carry a pocket knife or a lighter on a plane. what if i wore a shirt in eglish saying bush is the real terrorist. should i be searched and held. hell yeah. and i think bush is a moron.

[Blue Blood]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51573

We,as Americans,are quite happy to let Arabs kill thousands in one day.Not to worry,we'll teach the bigots a thing or two with PC OVERKILL.
Jesus save us.
Think about where we're at in this country.

[tousunis]

We let them live in our fucking country, get decent jobs and education (where they don't have to worry about getting blown up), isn't that enough?

[Blue Blood]

We let them live in our fucking country, get decent jobs and education (where they don't have to worry about getting blown up), isn't that enough?
Nope.
Jihad will be done.
If this country had reasonable immigration,such as the standard in 1924,we wouldn't be in the mess we currently reside in.
Which is to say nothing for our complete lack of border control.
A nation of people who have less and less in common as days go by,where are we headed? No common culture,language(not quite yet,but we're almost there)not a melting pot,more like a mosaic,of sorts.
Shit,I can barely recognise my old neighborhood anymore.The corner store used to sell Zarex( the drink with the zebra,remember?),now they sell international phone cards,and western union intl' money orders.
End rant.

[Knucks]

I look at it like this:

It would be the same as me wearing a T-Shirt on a plane emblazoned with the word "SKINHEAD". Most people (the ignorant masses) would take offense to it, even though to ME it's what I am, and doesnt have any negative connotations. Would they have a right to feel that way? In a sense, yes... because theyre not educated on the subject. Would the airline have a right to ask me to change it or put it inside out? Of course they would. Their primary concern is the comfort of their passengers to (hopefully) keep some return customers (comfortable, happy passengers = $$$). Would I be a little pissed about having to change my shirt to get on the plane? Sure... but I'd do it... or rather, I SHOULD say-- I wouldn't wear a shirt like that in the first place.

The airport these days is NOT the place to make a statement about anything.... especially something that, innocent or not, throw up red flags in the eyes of the majority. It may not be right, but its the way it is.

[King of all Buffets]

Bottom line is that North AMericans cry bloody fucking murder when they go to a foreign country and are treated shabby for speaking english and being westerners..... If some fat American was at Cairo airport and was Harrassed for wearing budweiser t-shirt he would flat out refuse....call mel shapiro personal injury laywer from tv and make sure every medi outlet knew how Americans were being mistreated abroad.


I dont sanction a PC overkill environment, in fact i dont even see that... I see intolerence at every turn. You guys make it sound that to fight this war on terror it unavoidable that we treat our own legal citzens like garbage.

[Blue Blood]

Bottom line is that North AMericans cry bloody fucking murder when they go to a foreign country and are treated shabby for speaking english and being westerners..... If some fat American was at Cairo airport and was Harrassed for wearing budweiser t-shirt he would flat out refuse....call mel shapiro personal injury laywer from tv and make sure every medi outlet knew how Americans were being mistreated abroad.


I dont sanction a PC overkill environment, in fact i dont even see that... I see intolerence at every turn. You guys make it sound that to fight this war on terror it unavoidable that we treat our own legal citzens like garbage.

Listen,I actually enjoy politics,and don't get heated over someone else's opinion,so take it easy,alright?
This is where culture clashes,where you see intolerance,I am experiencing an invasion.If immigration levels were moderated over time,well maybe different folks could learn (not that i'm asking for that,mind you)to live together,instead of media dictating what we as a society should think on a variety of topics.

BTW,nice insinuations with the fat beer-guzzling American and the jewish lawyer...hahaha

[Knucks]

Bottom line is that North AMericans cry bloody fucking murder when they go to a foreign country and are treated shabby for speaking english and being westerners..... If some fat American was at Cairo airport and was Harrassed for wearing budweiser t-shirt he would flat out refuse....call mel shapiro personal injury laywer from tv and make sure every medi outlet knew how Americans were being mistreated abroad.


I dont sanction a PC overkill environment, in fact i dont even see that... I see intolerence at every turn. You guys make it sound that to fight this war on terror it unavoidable that we treat our own legal citzens like garbage.

So you honestly think he wasn't trying to make some sort of stir by wearing the shirt in the first place?

These days, I'd think you'd want to stand out as little as possible. Maybe that's just me.

[Mike]

Bottom line is that North AMericans cry bloody fucking murder when they go to a foreign country and are treated shabby for speaking english and being westerners..... If some fat American was at Cairo airport and was Harrassed for wearing budweiser t-shirt he would flat out refuse....call mel shapiro personal injury laywer from tv and make sure every medi outlet knew how Americans were being mistreated abroad.

Ton of stereotyping in that post, why the fat and Budweiser?

[Vitnir]

So, he was wearing a t-shirt saying something in Arabic with the English translation? I don't get it. Like, why would anyone care enough to harrass him? Pepople should get a life.

[Martina]

He said it was printed in english underneath and its not an arab exclusive t-shirt, he got it in washington and it came in a number of languages. I see people every day that wear arab t-shirts I dont understand why this was such a huge deal.

Because the shirt didn't say Falafel King on it, that's why it's a big deal.
The message it said was one that is rather intimidating.
Do you really think that it was a coinidence that he choose to were THAT shirt to the airport that day? Knowing that there was just another terrorist threat only weeks ago?

This fucker had an agenda. The fact that you are supporting him sickens me.

In addition, he wasn't accused of terrorism. He was told that the shirt was offensive to others. The shirt IS FUCKING OFFENSIVE.
He'd be the first one to complain if someone wore a shirt that said
"Kill Them All" in Red, White and Blue.

[Martina]

That is setting a horrible precident, its a racist practice....what about if the white women on the plane felt uncomfotable about the black men 2 rows up, could they ask them to be removed?


Do you think that the 911 highjackers were speaking in english before they took down the plane?
Stop being agruementive for agruements sake.

There is a very real and always growning threat of terrorism.

To deny that this threat isn't coming from Muslim extremists is stupid and dangerous.

[King of all Buffets]

Do you think that the 911 highjackers were speaking in english before they took down the plane?
Stop being agruementive for agruements sake.

There is a very real and always growning threat of terrorism.

To deny that this threat isn't coming from Muslim extremists is stupid and dangerous.

I dont dent that the threat is radicla Islam and I dont even object to the efforts that equal racial profilling. I am just saying that to fight the war on terror we dont need to go overboard an alienate an entire group of our citizens like we did with the Japanese in WWII..... By biggest concern is not even the treatment of Muslims as its the treatment of Muslim Canadians.

[Martina]

I dont dent that the threat is radicla Islam and I dont even object to the efforts that equal racial profilling. I am just saying that to fight the war on terror we dont need to go overboard an alienate an entire group of our citizens like we did with the Japanese in WWII..... By biggest concern is not even the treatment of Muslims as its the treatment of Muslim Canadians.

See, now you have to be kidding me.
The treatment of Muslims in Canada? They have it better here than anywhere else in the world, including their native countries.
Only in Canada would you see a goverment even entertain the thougth of changing it's law, to abopt the laws of it's newcomers.

As it stands right now, you can't even bring a bottle of wine from duty free on a plane. It's shouldn't be so rediculious to to acknowledge that speaking in the native laungage of terrorists could cause people to be uneasy.

[Vitnir]

Main problem is mistrust. The terror brought on the world by the radical Islamists didn't only cause pain and suffering to those who got hit, their families and friends, but also the moderate Muslims (yes, I heard they exist) who are now being profiled and categorised as a threat along with the Islamofascists.

I still remember how a while after the 9/11, I seen an interview on TV with some Muslim man in his 50's, who worked some office job in a big corporation, told how people started treating him differently at work and got offended. So he put a picture of his nephew on his desk, a nephew who serves in the US armed forces and was deployed to Afganistan, making a statement in which he says he's truely against Islamic extrimism and supports the war against it for his sake as well as others.
It truely is much more sentiment shown than those Islamic leaders in Europe who often don't even make an effort to condone Islamic terror, claiming they don't know anything about it (altho I'm sure they're up to their ears in it) instead go and rant about how "awfuly" they been treated in their hosting countries. If it's so bad then fuck it, let them go back to their native lands and have their daughers raped by their neighours and then publicly hanged by the authorities like it happends in Iran.

[Johnny Rebel]

I dont dent that the threat is radicla Islam and I dont even object to the efforts that equal racial profilling. I am just saying that to fight the war on terror we dont need to go overboard an alienate an entire group of our citizens like we did with the Japanese in WWII..... By biggest concern is not even the treatment of Muslims as its the treatment of Muslim Canadians.

Oh yeah? Well how many acts of American Japanese sabatouge were there while they were in the camps? Hmm? :biggrin: None.


But seriously, this guy knew what the fuck he was gettin into. You don't walk onto an Air Israel jet with a swazi t-shirt and little writing underneath it saying "I'm not a nazi". People are gonna freak out. You can't assume people will think things out rationally in a situation like that, especially while on a plane. He shouldn't have worn it, unless he wanted to kick up a shitstorm, then kudos, job well done.

[Vitnir]

Well, you're comparing a symbol which became THE symbol of racism and genocide to just random writing in Arabic. We're not going to extinct Arabic language now, are we?

[Johnny Rebel]

Well, you're comparing a symbol which became THE symbol of racism and genocide to just random writing in Arabic. We're not going to extinct Arabic language now, are we?


You think the average American can decipher different characters in Arabic? No, to them it doesn't matter what is being said, as long as it looks like this, اللغة العربية الفصحى

[thisistheuproar]

So, he was wearing a t-shirt saying something in Arabic with the English translation? I don't get it. Like, why would anyone care enough to harrass him? People should get a life.

Agreed.

People in the US. generally speaking, are so conditioned by the TV and the "terrorist threat levels" (color-coded shit on the news...) that they are scared to death of another terrorist attack. Not to mention that most Americans (not all) live in a bubble that involves their job, their family, and the suburbs, so they are never forced to interact with the non-radical Muslims (that make up the overwhelming majority of Islam) who clearly and openly reject the actions of the radical Muslims. People assume, though, that all Muslims agree with the far-right-radicals in Islam because those are the ones that make the news. But of course they make the news, because their ideas are dangerous and sensational. The guy who lives in your neighborhood, and goes to the mosque, and prays five times a day, and has a job like you and me, and rejects the actions of radical Islam is not gonna make the news because he's apparently not newsworthy.

It is racist, and it is ignorant to profile someone as a threat because they are Arab, or have an Arab shirt on. Some people condone that, though, because they feel like it's better to err on the side of racism in the name of national security. And while I think that national security is of utmost importance, I don't think harassing every Arab that goes to an airport is an intelligent solution.

[Vitnir]

You think the average American can decipher different characters in Arabic? No, to them it doesn't matter what is being said, as long as it looks like this, اللغة العربية الفصحى
Well, people here will give me wierd looks when I worn a German football t-shirt and went cheering for it in the world cup games. Tell me the difference.

[Johnny Rebel]

Well, people here will give me wierd looks when I worn a German football t-shirt and went cheering for it in the world cup games. Tell me the difference.

You are not at war with Germany. Granted America is not at war with Arabs, but if you wore that in 1947 do you think people would react differently besides "weird looks"? Arabic has been connotated with terrorism, and from 1939- to probably 1950 if not still today, German was/is connotated with Nazi Germany.

[Vitnir]

So discriminating people is legitimate just upon speculatins and "connotations" of bunch of sorts?

[Johnny Rebel]

So discriminating people is legitimate just upon speculatins and "connotations" of bunch of sorts?

I never said it was legitimate, just that that's the reality of the situation. Some yokle from the Midwest see's Arabic you don't think he's gonna flip?

[Vitnir]

He'd better not, if he thinks he's better than them. :)

[Tokyohoon]

My whole take:

Legally, the airline was well within their rights - the shirt was deemed offensive to other passengers, and the interior of the airplane is NOT a public space, and therefore freedom of speech does not apply within the cabin - just the same as I have the right to refuse admittance to my home anyone in a Che Gevuara shirt.

Small minded? Perhaps. The other passengers need to remove the collective stick from their asses? Perhaps. But the man was not wronged - the airline was in fact accomodating enough to offer him replacement apparel.

Now, if he had been trying to gain entry to, say, the Metropolitan Museum of Art (which is taxpayer funded and therefore a public space) he would have been within his rights to insist on wearing the shirt.

[enforcer]

All politics aside....."I got some cheese and grapes with some orange juice" Who does that?

[siobahn]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51573

We,as Americans,are quite happy to let Arabs kill thousands in one day.Not to worry,we'll teach the bigots a thing or two with PC OVERKILL.
Jesus save us.
Think about where we're at in this country.i hear ya. that shit is ricidulous... it's sad and rather terrifying to think about, but it suits those in power that muslim extremists exist. more money for the war industry, more money for oil companies, distraction and uncritical support from at least some of the population, and the fuckers are laughing all the way to the bank.

Bottom line is that North AMericans cry bloody fucking murder when they go to a foreign country and are treated shabby for speaking english and being westerners..... If some fat American was at Cairo airport and was Harrassed for wearing budweiser t-shirt he would flat out refuse....call mel shapiro personal injury laywer from tv and make sure every medi outlet knew how Americans were being mistreated abroad.yeah, and if i was egyptian i'm pretty sure i wouldn't be shedding any tears for him.

I dont sanction a PC overkill environment, in fact i dont even see that... I see intolerence at every turn. You guys make it sound that to fight this war on terror it unavoidable that we treat our own legal citzens like garbage.at some point, rights under the law merge with the views of ordinary citizens - the question is just where. if terror attacks continue, people will not continue to sacrifice their security for the sake of some anti-racist ideal... at some point we have to acknowledge that arabs are different and should be treated differently. this might not seem right or fair, but it may end up being necessary.

and do you have a source for that imam getting his ass beaten?

Now, if he had been trying to gain entry to, say, the Metropolitan Museum of Art (which is taxpayer funded and therefore a public space) he would have been within his rights to insist on wearing the shirt.i think the issue extends beyond the legal rights of the airline. after all, the government still dictates what is and is not acceptable behaviour (for example, i couldn't open a shop and put up a sign saying 'no ragheads', etc). in the end, it's up to the government - and by extension, the populace - how businesses conduct themselves.

[RuneDK]

So stop wearing your All Rabbis Are Bastards shirt, damnit! I really don't care much if they're having a hard time while their islamic friends are terrorizing Europeans and Americans... Go home to Kanackistan, troublemakers.

[Vitnir]

Whom are they not terrorising? They even terrorise their own kind. Here in the lovely mid-east they simply operate from civilian houses, not caring that they will later be targeted and the people who live there will be killed and their house destroyed.

[sevenatenine]

All politics aside....."I got some cheese and grapes with some orange juice" Who does that?
I noticed that too

[skunk]

Oh please it was in a foreign language, not to say that it mattered a whole hell of a lot because my neighbors couldnt tell the difference between arabic, hebrew, or farsi.

[Martina]

Oh please it was in a foreign language, not to say that it mattered a whole hell of a lot because my neighbors couldnt tell the difference between arabic, hebrew, or farsi.

It wouldn't have mattered to you, since you can't read...period.
"We shall not be silent" was written in BOTH english and arabic.

[Moonhop]

There was a member who spoke about common sense regarding the shirt. I agree with that. In this time he should have known better. As a passenger I would feel really uncomfortable if someone came in wearing a shirt like that.

[Tokyohoon]

In all seriousness, Raed Jarrar is not a freedom of speech advocate.

He's an Iraqi national trying to drum up publicity for an anti-war documentary he was part of in 1994, and his demand that the US govenment issue an official apology to the people of Iraq accompanied by an immediate withdrawal of troops.

He is also not an American citizen - which didn't help his situation either.

The attention he got from the unidentified agents would be because he's a foreign political agitator. He's basically pulling a Michael Moore - and probably had his travelling companions lodge the complaints that started the fuss in the first place.

Unfortunately, as this discussion is showing, his technique works.

[Martina]

In all seriousness, Raed Jarrar is not a freedom of speech advocate.

He's an Iraqi national trying to drum up publicity for an anti-war documentary he was part of in 1994, and his demand that the US govenment issue an official apology to the people of Iraq accompanied by an immediate withdrawal of troops.

He is also not an American citizen - which didn't help his situation either.

The attention he got from the unidentified agents would be because he's a foreign political agitator. He's basically pulling a Michael Moore - and probably had his travelling companions lodge the complaints that started the fuss in the first place.

Unfortunately, as this discussion is showing, his technique works.

So basically, what you are saying is, that he's a peice of shit.
I knew that.
I think Shaun may still need some convincing though.

[King of all Buffets]

So basically, what you are saying is, that he's a peice of shit.
I knew that.
I think Shaun may still needs some convincing though.

Thats fine i'm sure you though he was a piece of shit as soon as you read that he was brown.:biggrin:

But the fact that he was a foreign dissadant convinces me that the attention he received was not unwarrentted. Since there seems obvious intent to stir shit up, he's lost my sympathy.

[Martina]

Thats fine i'm sure you though he was a piece of shit as soon as you read that he was brown.:biggrin:

But the fact that he was a foreign dissadant convinces me that the attention he received was not unwarrentted. Since there seems obvious intent to stir shit up, he's lost my sympathy.

The fact that he wore that shirt to the airport in the first place wasn't enough for you to show an obvious intent?

[Moonhop]

The fact that he wore that shirt to the airport in the first place wasn't enough for you to show an obvious intent?

Not to mention he "fit the description" . I'll tell you I hate flying to begin with and this stunt has definatly made it harder.

[King of all Buffets]

The fact that he wore that shirt to the airport in the first place wasn't enough for you to show an obvious intent?

at that point I though maybe he was just careless or a dumbass.

[Martina]

at that point I though maybe he was just careless or a dumbass.

If he was being careless, he wouldn't have been so combative when they asked him to wear something else. But he is a dumbass alright.

[Moonhop]

If he was being careless, he wouldn't have been so combative when they asked him to wear something else. But he is a dumbass alright.

I don't know why he was even allowed to get on the plane. If anyone of us became combative in an airport , well let's just say the outcome would not be pretty.

[skunk]

It wouldn't have mattered to you, since you can't read...period.
"We shall not be silent" was written in BOTH english and arabic.
Nobody in the airport cared about the words in english, because if they did, and following what you're implying; they should have also came to the logical conclusion that the words in arabic were the same as they were in english. The person who wore the shirt even said as much, then he was told that the people were uncomfortable with the shirt anyway.
This has nothing to do with me, this would not have bothered me. The larget issue at stake is like hearing people at a diner speaking a foreign language. Its exclusionist in nature, and only goes ahead and reinfoces the idea of the "Them VS. Us" mentality. The shirt in itself furthers this notion because it shows that there has to be a message for arabs and one for everyone else.

[siobahn]

The larget issue at stake is like hearing people at a diner speaking a foreign language. Its exclusionist in nature, and only goes ahead and reinfoces the idea of the "Them VS. Us" mentality.so what is it you're advocating here? should security people neglect doing their job because of how it might be perceived?

The shirt in itself furthers this notion because it shows that there has to be a message for arabs and one for everyone else.the way i understand it is that the words on the shirt are an activist slogan - it intends to emphasize unity between arabs and non-arabs, not the opposite.

[skunk]

so what is it you're advocating here? should security people neglect doing their job because of how it might be perceived? The airport security was acting on the the behalf of the other passengers, on the other hand, there is one person who has been targeted for the lack understanding on the other passengers part so the security people had to follow the needs of the many, or the one.

the way i understand it is that the words on the shirt are an activist slogan - it intends to emphasize unity between arabs and non-arabs, not the opposite.
Ah HAH... thats it, and here is where the problem is; you understand: both the shirt, and the mental intent behind it. Those one the plane understood neither, so all they saw was the arabic. Yes before you mention it again it did have english writing on it, but as you can see that part was ignored by the other passengers. Either that or they were hell bent on giving an arab a hard time

[Tokyohoon]

In all seriousness, Raed Jarrar is not a freedom of speech advocate.

He's an Iraqi national trying to drum up publicity for an anti-war documentary he was part of in 1994, and his demand that the US govenment issue an official apology to the people of Iraq accompanied by an immediate withdrawal of troops.

He is also not an American citizen - which didn't help his situation either.

The attention he got from the unidentified agents would be because he's a foreign political agitator. He's basically pulling a Michael Moore - and probably had his travelling companions lodge the complaints that started the fuss in the first place.

Unfortunately, as this discussion is showing, his technique works.

So basically, what you are saying is, that he's a peice of shit.
I knew that.
I think Shaun may still need some convincing though.

Yep, basic POS instigator. Well, on some small level, I admire the way he manipulated the situation. Very slick. Slick like catshit on a linoleum floor.

I also think that the airline and security staff played right into his hands, as did any passengers who complained (assuming there were any complaints from people not in his travel group).

Let's be honest - from 20 feet you can't tell if that's Arabic or a Coca Cola logo. There's an English translation underneath. It's a frickin' T-SHIRT. Who really gives a shit what it says? This is why I'm so damned sure he staged it - because you or I (honestly, think about it) wouldn't give a shit what he has printed on a t-shirt.

Who goes to find airport security and says, "yo, that guy's got a t-shirt of mass destruction over there". THis is not some bizarre D&D game, there is no "Dark T-Shirt of Mystical Hijacking". Joe Average doesn't notice much, and mostly doesn't care about it when he notices.

So who was lodging the complaints? The answer to that question: How many of the other passengers came along to his meeting in Cali? 'Cause they're the ones that raised their voices.

[Martina]

The airport security was acting on the the behalf of the other passengers, on the other hand, there is one person who has been targeted for the lack understanding on the other passengers part so the security people had to follow the needs of the many, or the one.


Ah HAH... thats it, and here is where the problem is; you understand: both the shirt, and the mental intent behind it. Those one the plane understood neither, so all they saw was the arabic. Yes before you mention it again it did have english writing on it, but as you can see that part was ignored by the other passengers. Either that or they were hell bent on giving an arab a hard time

Why do you keep assuming that the English was ignored?
An islamic threat of "We shall not be silent" may not be offensive or
troublesome to you but it certianly is to me.
At mimium, the shirt was ment to be antagonistic. He got what was coming to him....actually he didn't. He should have been deported.

[skunk]

OK, I dont care about the english writing, and now I dont care about the arabic writing either.
The guy was either there to make a scene or not, and if he did then he got what he deserved. Thats like biting your lip just to get sympathy for bleeding. However, if we as Americans digress to a dress code, simply to appease those squeamish about anything, then we really have lost.
It's not the idea that anyone who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither, but the fact that anyone who will trade their freedom for security will receive neither.

[Martina]

OK, I dont care about the english writing, and now I dont care about the arabic writing either.
The guy was either there to make a scene or not, and if he did then he got what he deserved. Thats like biting your lip just to get sympathy for bleeding. However, if we as Americans digress to a dress code, simply to appease those squeamish about anything, then we really have lost.
It's not the idea that anyone who would trade their freedom for security deserve neither, but the fact that anyone who will trade their freedom for security will receive neither.

By your logic, then someone should be able to wear a Klan outfit to the airport? Bikini breifs and cowboys boots to a funeral?
There is a time and place for everything. I think it's a sadder comentary that people still need to be told what is appropriate and what is not.

When it comes to national security, the ends must always justify the means. In the US, citizens have the right to bare arms but they are forbidden to carry them on a plane. There's a perfectly good reason for that and I don't hear gun lobbists complain that their rights are being infringed upon in that regard.

[Eek-a-Will]

i've wore a shirt that said "I'm a robber" into a bank no one said anything to me

[Mike]

i've wore a shirt that said "I'm a robber" into a bank no one said anything to me

...I dunno, maybe because you are a little, nerdy lookin dork and are the farthest thing from threatening?

[Martina]

...I dunno, maybe because you are a little, nerdy lookin dork and are the farthest thing from threatening?

I was gonna say that or that he was holding his moms hand at the time.

[Mike]

I was gonna say that or that he was holding his moms hand at the time.

great minds...

[siobahn]

I was gonna say that or that he was holding his moms hand at the time.
hahaha.. "aw, look at the little robber.." :rofl:

[Martina]

hahaha.. "aw, look at the little robber.." :rofl:

I bet the teller even gave him a lolipop.

[Tokyohoon]

By your logic, then someone should be able to wear a Klan outfit to the airport? Bikini breifs and cowboys boots to a funeral?
There is a time and place for everything. I think it's a sadder comentary that people still need to be told what is appropriate and what is not.

Well, actually.... if someone wants to wear a klan outfit to the airport, that's their perogative... but as the Klan is defined as a terror group by the FBI and DHS, I would hazrd a guess that it would be a realllllllllllly bad idea.

Bikini briefs and cowboy boots to a funeral? Tasteless and disrespectful, and liable to result in an invitiation to leave by the family. (Unless it's one of THOSE funerals).

I agree that it's sad that people don't get what is appropriate and what isn't - look at emo hair if you need an example - but it's perfectly legal to be a jackass. :)

Now, the actual commentary:

When it comes to national security, the ends must always justify the means. In the US, citizens have the right to bare arms but they are forbidden to carry them on a plane. There's a perfectly good reason for that and I don't hear gun lobbists complain that their rights are being infringed upon in that regard.

With that first sentence, you're handing the teros a victory. As was paraphrased above, those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. I mean, c'mon, we're skinheads. Is there a one of us here that wouldn't be willing to take a fist in the face over something we believe in? (OK, maybe that eek-a-will twat, but I digress)

People SHOULD have the sense to know what's appropriate and what's not. But they should also be secure in knowing that dressing like a dumbass isn't going to land themn in the clink. Sometimes being secure in your freedoms is more important in being secure from threat.

[Martina]

Well, actually.... if someone wants to wear a klan outfit to the airport, that's their perogative... but as the Klan is defined as a terror group by the FBI and DHS, I would hazrd a guess that it would be a realllllllllllly bad idea.

Bikini briefs and cowboy boots to a funeral? Tasteless and disrespectful, and liable to result in an invitiation to leave by the family. (Unless it's one of THOSE funerals).

I agree that it's sad that people don't get what is appropriate and what isn't - look at emo hair if you need an example - but it's perfectly legal to be a jackass. :)

Now, the actual commentary:



With that first sentence, you're handing the teros a victory. As was paraphrased above, those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither. I mean, c'mon, we're skinheads. Is there a one of us here that wouldn't be willing to take a fist in the face over something we believe in? (OK, maybe that eek-a-will twat, but I digress)

People SHOULD have the sense to know what's appropriate and what's not. But they should also be secure in knowing that dressing like a dumbass isn't going to land themn in the clink. Sometimes being secure in your freedoms is more important in being secure from threat.

Unfortunately Marc, common sense isn't common. The law has to infervene to combat the stupidity of others.

If I was a gambler, I'd say being more secure in freedom than in a terrorist threat are very bad odds.
We would have to be lucky every day- and the terrorist would only have to be lucky once.

[Tokyohoon]

Unfortunately Marc, common sense isn't common. The law has to infervene to combat the stupidity of others.

If I was a gambler, I'd say being more secure in freedom than in a terrorist threat are very bad odds.
We would have to be lucky every day- and the terrorist would only have to be lucky once.

And what's wrong with having both? When I first started flying, we had to get physical searches, body and bags. People didn't like it, and the airlines developed developed metal detectors for people and x-rays for bags.

Any threat the teros can come up with, we can counter with vigilance and technology. They might succeed one time with a tactic - they won't succeed twice.

And in the end, life goes on - and we go on living it in freedom. And that pisses those terrorist fucks off more than anything else we could do.

So yeah, we're going to lose a few here and there - but historically, free men have generally triumphed over those less free.

[LeftWingScum]

I wouldnt get on the plane with him.

at least as far as you go, the terrorists have won. don't you listen when our leaders speak?

[shawn P]

I look at it like this:

It would be the same as me wearing a T-Shirt on a plane emblazoned with the word "SKINHEAD". Most people (the ignorant masses) would take offense to it, even though to ME it's what I am, and doesnt have any negative connotations. Would they have a right to feel that way? In a sense, yes... because theyre not educated on the subject. Would the airline have a right to ask me to change it or put it inside out? Of course they would. Their primary concern is the comfort of their passengers to (hopefully) keep some return customers (comfortable, happy passengers = $$$). Would I be a little pissed about having to change my shirt to get on the plane? Sure... but I'd do it... or rather, I SHOULD say-- I wouldn't wear a shirt like that in the first place.

The airport these days is NOT the place to make a statement about anything.... especially something that, innocent or not, throw up red flags in the eyes of the majority. It may not be right, but its the way it is.
Great point. How the fuck do arabs in western countries have it bad??
Muslims in europe get to slum up the place, collect welfare, and moan about how bad they are treated even when they have failed to adapt to European society. Arabs in America have 10 times better. Because, a majority of them come to the states and make somthing out of themselves, thru hard work, and getting an education.
Now people are crying over a guy who wears a shirt that raises eyebrows in a AIRPORT. Jesus, are you going to cry for me when I get booted of a plane for wearing my "I like to blow up planes, because I'm a religous wako." t-shirt??