I'm not a white man

[ArmedSuspect]

I'm not a black man
I'm an American
I'm not a ******
I'm not a honky
My birthright liberty


Anti-Heroes wrote some great tunes; I don't think they get nearly enough appreciation on this board.

[terrormachine]

I've said it before, and I'm going say it again:the most overrated American punk/Oi/whatever band ever. Sorry, I never saw what the hype was about.OK......now give me hell.

[Blue Blood]

Did Mark Noah mention not being jewish in that song?......

[CptnSpaulding]

I've said it before, and I'm going say it again:the most overrated American punk/Oi/whatever band ever. Sorry, I never so what the hype was about.OK......now give me hell.
i dont see where your coming from with the anti-heros......but i know how it feels to hate really popular bands in the scene........ I PERSONALLY THINk THE BRUISERS SUCK, well they dont suck but why are they as popular as they are? why? DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE TEMPLARS.


Terror: how could you not like this song?


ANTI-HEROS
"Jerry Was A Piece Of Shit (JWAPOS)"

He's the old hippie that made us sick, He wrote muzak for drug addicts
He's the fat geezer who talked too much, He used drugs as a crutch
He ate granola and he hugged trees, Looked like a dog bit by fleas
Had a beer belly and a tye-dyed shirt, Said he'd live forever but now he sleeps in dirt

[Chorus]
{Jerry was a piece of shit, shit, shit, shit, shit
I'm Grateful that he's dead, dead, dead, dead, dead}

Like Jim Bakker he went far, Turned stadiums into singles bars
Did all of the drugs in San Francisco, Wrote 20 albums of long-haired disco
Then he sang I will survive, look who is no longer alive
So all you fuckers in your VW vans, Preppy dink hackysack clan
Wallstreet twats with ponytail hair, Your BMW's with dancing bears
He was an icon, he was a god, He racked in your cash in wads
You were conned by a useless slob, The tours are over so get a job

[CptnSpaulding]

I'm not a black man
I'm an American
I'm not a ******
I'm not a honky
My birthright liberty


Anti-Heroes wrote some great tunes; I don't think they get nearly enough appreciation on this board.
i have been meaning to ask someone this. What is the song "murder one" from American Pie about? i always try to listen, but i dont know who thoose people are

[terrormachine]

i dont see where your coming from with the anti-heros......but i know how it feels to hate really popular bands in the scene........ I PERSONALLY THINk THE BRUISERS SUCK, well they dont suck but why are they as popular as they are? why?

edit: DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE TEMPLARS

Actually, the Templars don't really bother me, but I'm not much of a fan. Cocksparrer.....jesus they suck. So does Angry Aryans,etc, etc,

[CptnSpaulding]

Actually, the Templars don't really bother me, but I'm not much of a fan. Cocksparrer.....jesus they suck. So does Angry Aryans,etc, etc,
well i'm not much of a fan of the actual people in the band either...so i just get mad at there music

besides...there music is just a rip off of french oi..there not origional at all and shouldnt be treated that way. People act like there the lords of oi

[terrormachine]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.

[Blue Blood]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.

http://skinheads.net/forums/http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3533/biketat009qw0.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=biketat009qw0.jpg)
Massachusetts remembers our Brothers.

[Olde-E Fever]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.

Skullhead comes off like The Business to me.

[Weasel]

I've said it before, and I'm going say it again:the most overrated American punk/Oi/whatever band ever. Sorry, I never so what the hype was about.OK......now give me hell.
i hear that a lot, but man... i love them.

[CptnSpaulding]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.
yea, they have always sounde like RAC mixed with French Oi.....nothing special..sounds allright, but i hear the same shit in many other bands...why the fuck aint they big? fucking dorks, all of them..fuck the templars, they aint shit

[Blue Blood]

SkullHead's Return to Thunder is excellent.Production,execution,playing,it's a shame that they won't get deserved credit,being a (former?) RAC band.
Great album though.

[Weasel]

yea, they have always sounde like RAC mixed with French Oi.....nothing special..sounds allright, but i hear the same shit in many other bands...why the fuck aint they big? fucking dorks, all of them..fuck the templars, they aint shit
i like to bump that shit when i'm feeling mellow.

[WH Jay]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.

Skullhead were awesome....Kevs voice one of the best ...
Spearheads music is a bit different to most too..

[terrormachine]

Skullhead were awesome....Kevs voice one of the best ...
Spearheads music is a bit different to most too..Yeah, the whole swirling guitars thing is cool,even if it is a bit rock-n-roll at times.Spearhead are good, as well as Avalon.

[Tokyohoon]

i have been meaning to ask someone this. What is the song "murder one" from American Pie about? i always try to listen, but i dont know who thoose people are

Wasn't it three wannabe "mobsters" that killed a homeless guy to try to prove themselves?

[CptnSpaulding]

Wasn't it three wannabe "mobsters" that killed a homeless guy to try to prove themselves?
OK yea, i just got there lyrics and your are correct. 3 punks that thought they were tough killed a homeless vietnam veteran.. some fucked up shit

[Gut Check]

I don't see how anyone could dislike the Templars, but that's just me. Anti Heros on the other hand, I love them to death, but I get people not liking them.

[WBC]

the Templars I've heard little of because what I did hear was banal... ditto for the Anti-Heroes.... Skullhead, yes.... Avalon nope.... Nordic Thunder, aint even gonna start again on that subject.....

[terrormachine]

the Templars I've heard little of because what I did hear was banal... ditto for the Anti-Heroes.... Skullhead, yes.... Avalon nope.... Nordic Thunder, aint even gonna start again on that subject.....

Honestly, I've pretty much burned myself out on Skullhead, Celtic Warrior, and even Avalon. That's why I'm listening to a lot of Blood Red Eagle, Mistreat and even French stuff like Bunker 84 & Snix lately. I've even rolled out early Onkelz to help ease the boredom.

[WBC]

Honestly, I've pretty much burned myself out on Skullhead, Celtic Warrior, and even Avalon. That's why I'm listening to a lot of Blood Red Eagle, Mistreat and even French stuff like Bunker 84 & Snix lately. I've even rolled out early Onkelz to help ease the boredom.
yep... I'm in a rut.... dug out the French stuff, Legion 88, Bunker 84 and Skincorps but burned it out.... ditto with the H8Machine/Teardown.... so its back to Sedition, DOTS etc.... cant even bring myself to listen to Skrewdriver, BA or NR anymore....

[terrormachine]

yep... I'm in a rut.... dug out the French stuff, Legion 88, Bunker 84 and Skincorps but burned it out.... ditto with the H8Machine/Teardown.... so its back to Sedition, DOTS etc.... cant even bring myself to listen to Skrewdriver, BA or NR anymore....

I hear ya. I haven't had Skrewdriver on my ipod in months, same with BA, NR.
I've really gotten into Mistreat and Sturmwehr and I like alot of stuff Fortress did. I'm sure in a year I'll be listening to the White Rider lp in my sleep again.

[WBC]

I hear ya. I haven't had Skrewdriver on my ipod in months, same with BA, NR.
I've really gotten into Mistreat and Sturmwehr and I like alot of stuff Fortress did. I'm sure in a year I'll be listening to the White Rider lp in my sleep again.
after hearing Commie Scum I was fairly disappointed with the rest of Fortress' stuff.... the last decent thing I heard was Force Fed Hate.....and a few White Wash tracks are pretty good....

[terrormachine]

after hearing Commie Scum I was fairly disappointed with the rest of Fortress' stuff.... the last decent thing I heard was Force Fed Hate.....and a few White Wash tracks are pretty good....

Fortress is hit or miss for me. White Wash....uhhhh...they suck. I've only heard 'em live back when they played at the shows outside Houston. Can't say I cared for 'em. Speaking of oldies, I dug up some British Standard....good stuff.

[WBC]

Fortress is hit or miss for me. White Wash....uhhhh...they suck. I've only heard 'em live back when they played at the shows outside Houston. Can't say I cared for 'em. Speaking of oldies, I dug up some British Standard....good stuff.
they (WhiteWash) have a decent split with Op. Racewar..... the OR stuff however is rough... not my kinda stuff....

[Blue Blood]

I got Dirlewanger unity of honour going now,,stuff's still great.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

How did an Anti-Heros thread turn into a White Power band thread?

[Mike]

How did an Anti-Heros thread turn into a White Power band thread?

your basic WSN threadjack...

[Gut Check]

How did an Anti-Heros thread turn into a White Power band thread?
Cause they are the master race, they do what they want, durr.

[Chicagoskin]

oh really? i'm not a white man either

[Ben Hate]

Fortress is hit or miss for me. White Wash....uhhhh...they suck. I've only heard 'em live back when they played at the shows outside Houston. Can't say I cared for 'em. Speaking of oldies, I dug up some British Standard....good stuff.

best album by fortress is the fires of our rage, all in all it flows really well. and when i got to their other albums i was kinda let down.

[Gun2Gun]

Nordic Thunder is horrible, the Templars are boss, The Anti-Heros are alright, and Skullhead is cool...

But normally I have much disdain for White Power bands except for Skrewdriver, Arresting Officers, No Remorse and Skullhead. I don't hate white power bands because they're white power, I hate them because they suck.

(Race War ain't bad eirther, in my humble opinion)

[ManoRevolver]

I've said it before, and I'm going say it again:the most overrated American punk/Oi/whatever band ever. Sorry, I never saw what the hype was about.OK......now give me hell.

Agrees.

[colinsmama]

oh stop talking smack... they're good guys...they've been around for a long time, and u can say what you want, but they love what they do and I know I'll always go to their shows and have a great time...

yea, they have always sounde like RAC mixed with French Oi.....nothing special..sounds allright, but i hear the same shit in many other bands...why the fuck aint they big? fucking dorks, all of them..fuck the templars, they aint shit

[IronCityBoot]

I always thought the Templars made a living ripping off Chiswick-era Skrewdriver, but is anybody really original anymore? Skullhead were always different and unique, and Legion of St George certainly have an original sound. When it comes to American skinhead music, there's only one Nordic Thunder and they'll never be another.

Nordic Thunder, one of the best things to happen to music in this country by far.

[ArmedSuspect]

Damn, I knew there were alot of people with terrible taste in music, but hating on the Bruisers, The Templars and Anti-Heroes; well you're all just damned Un-American as fuck. The reason the Templars are so big is because they are good at what they do and they are heavily influenced by early Chiswick stuff as well as alot of French Oi and they were one of the first American bands to have that kind of sound. Bruisers have great lyrics and great musicianship. And well, the Anti-Heroes are great; I can understand people not like Mark's vocals, but they write some amazing songs and the musicianship on Underneath the Underground is fucking up there.

The best American band going right now though is probably the Whiskey Rebels from Sacto; those dudes have killer lyrics and great songs. Big Chuck also probably has the best voice outside of Zoli from Ignite.

[PromoteChaos]

oh stop talking smack... they're good guys...they've been around for a long time, and u can say what you want, but they love what they do and I know I'll always go to their shows and have a great time...


Agreed! I think his girlfriend dumped him for one of them or something.:wink:

[PromoteChaos]

OK yea, i just got there lyrics and your are correct. 3 punks that thought they were tough killed a homeless vietnam veteran.. some fucked up shit


They weren't punks & the song is waaaaaaaay off from what really happened.

[PromoteChaos]

Damn, I knew there were alot of people with terrible taste in music, but hating on the Bruisers, The Templars and Anti-Heroes; well you're all just damned Un-American as fuck. The reason the Templars are so big is because they are good at what they do and they are heavily influenced by early Chiswick stuff as well as alot of French Oi and they were one of the first American bands to have that kind of sound. Bruisers have great lyrics and great musicianship. And well, the Anti-Heroes are great; I can understand people not like Mark's vocals, but they write some amazing songs and the musicianship on Underneath the Underground is fucking up there.

The best American band going right now though is probably the Whiskey Rebels from Sacto; those dudes have killer lyrics and great songs. Big Chuck also probably has the best voice outside of Zoli from Ignite.

Did you really just say that not liking the Anti Heros makes you un-American?? That was a stupid statement, go listen to Neil Diamond or move to Canada

[Loathe]

oh stop talking smack... they're good guys...they've been around for a long time, and u can say what you want, but they love what they do and I know I'll always go to their shows and have a great time...

I've got to go with my boy on this one.

Nothing different came out of them, never seen the allure.

[terrormachine]

Damn, I knew there were alot of people with terrible taste in music, but hating on the Bruisers, The Templars and Anti-Heroes; well you're all just damned Un-American as fuck. The reason the Templars are so big is because they are good at what they do and they are heavily influenced by early Chiswick stuff as well as alot of French Oi and they were one of the first American bands to have that kind of sound. Bruisers have great lyrics and great musicianship. And well, the Anti-Heroes are great; I can understand people not like Mark's vocals, but they write some amazing songs and the musicianship on Underneath the Underground is fucking up there.

The best American band going right now though is probably the Whiskey Rebels from Sacto; those dudes have killer lyrics and great songs. Big Chuck also probably has the best voice outside of Zoli from Ignite.

Best band from America right now is Blood In the Face.

[eddie shots]

american pie is a breakthrough (production wise) album. i listen to it over and over again.

[CptnSpaulding]

I've got to go with my boy on this one.

Nothing different came out of them, never seen the allure.
nah, it doesnt even matter...people dont even know the half of it

[CptnSpaulding]

Damn, I knew there were alot of people with terrible taste in music, but hating on the Bruisers, The Templars and Anti-Heroes; well you're all just damned Un-American as fuck. The reason the Templars are so big is because they are good at what they do and they are heavily influenced by early Chiswick stuff as well as alot of French Oi and they were one of the first American bands to have that kind of sound. Bruisers have great lyrics and great musicianship. And well, the Anti-Heroes are great; I can understand people not like Mark's vocals, but they write some amazing songs and the musicianship on Underneath the Underground is fucking up there.

The best American band going right now though is probably the Whiskey Rebels from Sacto; those dudes have killer lyrics and great songs. Big Chuck also probably has the best voice outside of Zoli from Ignite.
whiskey rebels? uhhh, i hate the "US thugs". More cute then they are as hard as they think they are. oh shit, i didnt mean it, please, please, dont get skinhead rob on me.

[Loathe]

nah, it doesnt even matter...people dont even know the half of it

Remember this is the same crowd that didn't want to give Sab and Iron Cross any props.

[Tim]

Maybe it's a southeast thing, but I still like Anti-Heros. Great live shows. Now, since we're all posting blasphemy in this thread, I'll say it: I can't stand the Rejects anymore.

[colinsmama]

nah, it doesnt even matter...people dont even know the half of it

Everyone has their own musical taste and that's cool, I happen to like their music. I'm just saying as someone who knows them on a personal level...they're great guys, and I think that a lot of people like to talk shit about them or the band when they've been around a long time, love what they do and do it well...thats more what I was thinking about when I first responded.

[circlestorm]

Anti-Hero's,Bruisers,YDL and Templars are usually what i think of when i think of American OI it always sounds so different to british stuff,so much harder and rougher sounding makes it better to be honest.

I love all those bands.

[WH Jay]

YDL are by far the best American stuff I've ever listened to...
After the Condemned 84 shit the Anti-Heroes don't interest me one jot...
Still...who cares...?

[CptnSpaulding]

Everyone has their own musical taste and that's cool, I happen to like their music. I'm just saying as someone who knows them on a personal level...they're great guys, and I think that a lot of people like to talk shit about them or the band when they've been around a long time, love what they do and do it well...thats more what I was thinking about when I first responded.

fuck it...i dont mind them. Thats all i gotta say about it.

edit: Matt Templar is from DC.... used to play in Counterattack

[CptnSpaulding]

YDL are by far the best American stuff I've ever listened to...
After the Condemned 84 shit the Anti-Heroes don't interest me one jot...
Still...who cares...?
YDL is the shit.....its to bad they got that bad rep about being nazi's....its not even true

[ajdckc]

the templars and anti-heros both had a few good songs, and lot of not so good songs. basically, hit or miss.

[WH Jay]

YDL is the shit.....its to bad they got that bad rep about being nazi's....its not even true

But it shouldn't matter should it?.....people should worry about more important things....

[CptnSpaulding]

But it shouldn't matter should it?.....people should worry about more important things....
yea it does matter because some bands dont like being called nazi's if there not. and i'm sure WP bands wouldnt like to be called SHARP.

[terrormachine]

yea it does matter because some bands dont like being called nazi's if there not. and i'm sure WP bands wouldnt like to be called SHARP.

English Rose have no problem about being SHARP......

[CptnSpaulding]

English Rose have no problem about being SHARP......
exactly, just like how the Oppresed have no problem being considered RAC

[tousunis]

I'm not a black man
I'm an American
I'm not a ******
I'm not a honky
My birthright liberty


Anti-Heroes wrote some great tunes; I don't think they get nearly enough appreciation on this board.

Those lyrics are shit.

[circlestorm]

YDL do get a lot of bad rep for being nazi's,can see how they'd want to clear the air about that shit if they're not,cos well can cause all kindsa shit if people think your a fence sitter or something,like all the fucking shitty shit slinging that went on about section five recently.

Despite them saying they weren't nazis or commies or sharps or any other political stance, it nearly ruined a fucking good band.

Those lyrics ain't shit though,kinda prefer their early stuff like criminal mischief to the recent stuff though,anyone heard their infamous demo with "nigerance" on it? if it really exists?

[terrormachine]

YDL do get a lot of bad rep for being nazi's,can see how they'd want to clear the air about that shit if they're not,cos well can cause all kindsa shit if people think your a fence sitter or something,like all the fucking shitty shit slinging that went on about section five recently.

Despite them saying they weren't nazis or commies or sharps or any other political stance, it nearly ruined a fucking good band.

Those lyrics ain't shit though,kinda prefer their early stuff like criminal mischief to the recent stuff though,anyone heard their infamous demo with "nigerance" on it? if it really exists?

The problem about Section 5 is that they've played gigs with "questionable" bands and probably have a friend or two that's racist. I know they were thanked on the back of the Sudden Impact "Storm" lp. Who really cares? Their music is not political so take it for what it is. I think SHARPies or anti's have more of an issue with this stuff then do us evil racist blue eyed devils.

[LastRites]

Did you really just say that not liking the Anti Heros makes you un-American?? That was a stupid statement, go listen to Neil Diamond or move to Canada
We dont want him here!!!!!

[Weasel]

whiskey rebels? uhhh, i hate the "US thugs". More cute then they are as hard as they think they are. oh shit, i didnt mean it, please, please, dont get skinhead rob on me.

you've said you thought bands sucked several times now because of who they roll with. that's gay.
i prolly wouldnt wanna have kicked it with nicky crane, but i still bump skrewdriver.

[Blue Blood]

YDL is the shit.....its to bad they got that bad rep about being nazi's....its not even true

Well,they did pen skinheads 88.
Great band.

[CptnSpaulding]

Well,they did pen skinheads 88.
Great band.
yea, its too bad that song just meant the year they were singing it..............almost got me...dick- haha

[CptnSpaulding]

you've said you thought bands sucked several times now because of who they roll with. that's gay.
i prolly wouldnt wanna have kicked it with nicky crane, but i still bump skrewdriver.
whats your point? i own Skrewdriver albums...well, album. like i have said earlier...i have a lot of respect for them....they put out some great shit

edit: just because a band puts out some good stuff doesnt mean they are cool people. Unfortionatly i listen to albums of people that i hate....just because it is good music. I mean fuck, i listen to classic rock also.. doesnt mean i'm a fucking liberal because most of the songs are anti vietnam.

[WH Jay]

yea it does matter because some bands dont like being called nazi's if there not. and i'm sure WP bands wouldnt like to be called SHARP.

Funny how Oi is the only music genre where to some people you have to let everyone know your political stance before they will listen to your music....fucked up....

[CptnSpaulding]

Funny how Oi is the only music genre where to some people you have to let everyone know your political stance before they will listen to your music....fucked up....
you know..i never really thought about that

[Weasel]

Funny how Oi is the only music genre where to some people you have to let everyone know your political stance before they will listen to your music....fucked up....
i dunno... the hardcore scenesters can be just as bad.

[CptnSpaulding]

i dunno... the hardcore scenesters can be just as bad.
shit...they might be worse.........some of thoose fuckers will have a bootparty on a 16 year old just for being drunk.........fucking straight edgers- i mean sXe

[circlestorm]

yeah the sxe scene can be really shit for that,it used to be a lot worse,i mean theres the scene's in canterbury and peterborough in the uk where you've got a lot of crews that are well known for fighting and millitant edge stances. Makes everyone else into hardcore look fucking stupid.

I dont give a shit about 70% of my friends drink,its everyones choice and i'll happily buy my friends a beer.

[Gut Check]

All drunks and drug users at the hardcore shows 'bout to get stabbed.:mad:

[CptnSpaulding]

All drunks and drug users at the hardcore shows 'bout to get stabbed.:mad:
....i would give my left nut for some straight edgers to come up to me and try to take my beer

[Loathe]

....i would give my left nut for some straight edgers to come up to me and try to take my beer

Seriously, how funny would that shit be?

We can't even get anyone to fight here hardly. Kids here start shit and run away a lot. I've spent more time chasing people than hitting people :)

[weknowhowtolive]

I hate the Anti-heros, like Sparrer, like the Templars....

[CptnSpaulding]

Seriously, how funny would that shit be?

We can't even get anyone to fight here hardly. Kids here start shit and run away a lot. I've spent more time chasing people than hitting people :)
everytime i go to Richmond i hope for it to happen...they got like 1000 straightedge faggots who like to jump 16 year old punkers...real tough guys

[tousunis]

I hate the Anti-heros, like Sparrer, like the Templars....

I agree, Cock Sparrer is shit too.

[ArmedSuspect]

We dont want him here!!!!!
Your women have said otherwise.

[Land & Heritage]

YDL is the shit.....its to bad they got that bad rep about being nazi's....its not even true

So are you also stating that no one in the band was ever remotely WP? I'm sure Charles Martel would beg to differ on that statement and if anyone here knows the truth then it would be him. Also listen to the song "New Glory" and tell me that song wasn't in the least bit racial. There's so many references to WP RAC lyrical themes in that song. "Youth of America" the 7" version with "our forefathers came to this country from Europe's proud family tree"...C'mon you're living in a dream world if you think bands like YDL were simply patriotic and nothing more unless to you pride in one's race is a tenant of patriotism. Trust me there are plenty of examples that prove YDL did...thanking Ian Stuart and Ken Mclellan (Brutal Attack) on the New York Hardcore- The Way It Is LP being a good starting point. Once again more revisionist history. Things may not have been so black & white (pardon the pun) as they are today but just as many of the "patriotic" bands of the British Oi scene of the 80s had and still do have connections to the white nationalist scene so did the majority of the "patriotic" American skinhead bands of the time.On the subject of the Anti-Heros, would someone said the record straight for us on the real story behind the song "Murder One"?

[Martina]

So are you also stating that no one in the band was ever remotely WP? I'm sure Charles Martel would beg to differ on that statement and if anyone here knows the truth then it would be him. Also listen to the song "New Glory" and tell me that song wasn't in the least bit racial. There's so many references to WP RAC lyrical themes in that song. "Youth of America" the 7" version with "our forefathers came to this country from Europe's proud family tree"...C'mon you're living in a dream world if you think bands like YDL were simply patriotic and nothing more unless to you pride in one's race is a tenant of patriotism. Trust me there are plenty of examples that prove YDL did...thanking Ian Stuart and Ken Mclellan (Brutal Attack) on the New York Hardcore- The Way It Is LP being a good starting point. Once again more revisionist history. Things may not have been so black & white (pardon the pun) as they are today but just as many of the "patriotic" bands of the British Oi scene of the 80s had and still do have connections to the white nationalist scene so did the majority of the "patriotic" American skinhead bands of the time.On the subject of the Anti-Heros, would someone said the record straight for us on the real story behind the song "Murder One"?

Seriously, I haven't heard of them confessing to be Nazi's but I'm pretty sure that they have refered to themselfs as being the first North American RAC band.

While we are at it- Suggy's from Madness was friends with Ian from Skrewdriver and wrote "Bed and Breakfastman" about him. Even fucking Ska bands in the UK had some BNM ties to them.

[terrormachine]

Seriously, I haven't heard of them confessing to be Nazi's but I'm pretty sure that they have refered to themselfs as being the first North American RAC band.

While we are at it- Suggy's from Madness was friends with Ian from Skrewdriver and wrote "Bed and Breakfastman" about him. Even fucking Ska bands in the UK had some BNM ties to them.


From an interview I once read from Ian Stuart, that now famous picture was taken at Suggsy's mom's house where Ian was renting a room at the time. Ian said he hadn't seen him since that day. He did roadie for Skrewdriver for a bit, late 70's, pre-BWAB days.

[Land & Heritage]

Seriously, I haven't heard of them confessing to be Nazi's but I'm pretty sure that they have refered to themselfs as being the first North American RAC band.

While we are at it- Suggy's from Madness was friends with Ian from Skrewdriver and wrote "Bed and Breakfastman" about him. Even fucking Ska bands in the UK had some BNM ties to them.


Both very good points. As for YDL I wasn't saying they were admitted nazis, I was saying that at least some members of the band were definitely racial. By the way congratulations on your pregnancy Martina. I'm sure you two are gonna make great parents!

[terrormachine]

Here ya'll go.............

http://www.bloodandhonour.com/modules.php?name=Ian_Interviews

and Joe...don't give me shit about whose site that is.

[Land & Heritage]

Here ya'll go.............

http://www.bloodandhonour.com/modules.php?name=Ian_Interviews

and Joe...don't give me shit about whose site that is.

Yeah that is a good interview and don't worry "terrormachine" I'm not saying nothin' :wink:

[terrormachine]

Yeah that is a good interview and don't worry "terrormachine" I'm not saying nothin' :wink:

Hope Bart didn't copyright that interview.

[Blood Red Eagle]

Hope Bart didn't copyright that interview.

ZING! ha ha ha ha

[Blood Red Eagle]

From an interview I once read from Ian Stuart, that now famous picture was taken at Suggsy's mom's house where Ian was renting a room at the time. Ian said he hadn't seen him since that day. He did roadie for Skrewdriver for a bit, late 70's, pre-BWAB days.

Ian stuart was in a madness film clip aswell as an extra in the background apparently.

EDIT: and had i have previously taken the time to go look at the interview posted on Conbart's site i would have realised this post is pointless.

my bad, carry on people.

[weknowhowtolive]

I agree, Cock Sparrer is shit too.actually i was saying i like sparrer and the templars.

[tousunis]

actually i was saying i like sparrer and the templars.

I like Templars but not Cock Sparrer. Anti-Heros are OK, but they are given way more credit than they deserve.

[BleedForYourCause]

i have been meaning to ask someone this. What is the song "murder one" from American Pie about? i always try to listen, but i dont know who thoose people are


It's about 3 kids that murder a bum for no reason...

[Blood Red Eagle]

I like Templars but not Cock Sparrer. Anti-Heros are OK, but they are given way more credit than they deserve.
i dont understand how anyone can dislike cocksparrer.

whats more i cant understand someone saying "i like the templars but not cocksparrer".

[Weasel]

i dont understand how anyone can dislike cocksparrer.

whats more i cant understand someone saying "i like the templars but not cocksparrer".
what they are trying to communicate is... ah, nevermind. must be something about translating from English to whatever you speak.

[Blood Red Eagle]

what they are trying to communicate is... ah, nevermind. must be something about translating from English to whatever you speak.

ho ho ho... he's so funny. how did you read whatever language i typed then, you spastic... i see webster's just as lame on the new board.

[Eek-a-Will]

i just got done listening to hate edge and i love that song

[CptnSpaulding]

So are you also stating that no one in the band was ever remotely WP? I'm sure Charles Martel would beg to differ on that statement and if anyone here knows the truth then it would be him. Also listen to the song "New Glory" and tell me that song wasn't in the least bit racial. There's so many references to WP RAC lyrical themes in that song. "Youth of America" the 7" version with "our forefathers came to this country from Europe's proud family tree"...C'mon you're living in a dream world if you think bands like YDL were simply patriotic and nothing more unless to you pride in one's race is a tenant of patriotism. Trust me there are plenty of examples that prove YDL did...thanking Ian Stuart and Ken Mclellan (Brutal Attack) on the New York Hardcore- The Way It Is LP being a good starting point. Once again more revisionist history. Things may not have been so black & white (pardon the pun) as they are today but just as many of the "patriotic" bands of the British Oi scene of the 80s had and still do have connections to the white nationalist scene so did the majority of the "patriotic" American skinhead bands of the time.On the subject of the Anti-Heros, would someone said the record straight for us on the real story behind the song "Murder One"?
i dont really care what you say about them, their not a WP band. Basicaly anybody who knows anything about YDL knows that. Their is twice as much evidence that says they arent racist then all your supposive evidence that they are. Just because your anti-comunist..doesnt mean your a nazi. Rishi is married to a black woman. Am i missing something here?

basicaly, they got the same nazi tag that the anti-heros have. A few songs are just interpreted wrong by the wrong people (skinhead88....that song was the actual year 1988..everybody knew it at the time). If it came down to it....i would have to say the Anti-heros would be considered more WP (though neither of the bands are). But hell, if you think YDL is racist....then so are the anti-heros and Motorhead. Hell, motorhead had gigs with Skrewdriver all the time...the bands were buddy buddy. Members from Maddness and motorhead were all close friends with some members in Skrewdriver.

who cares if he thanked Ian Stuart?....the anti-heros should have thanked him also because they covered one of Skrewdrivers songs. Besides, he thanked him because Ian let him stay at his house for a few months due to lack of money and blah blah. It was 20 years ago and a lot of bands listened to Skrewdriver..especially in NY.

edit: its always funny to hear all the hardcore leftys judge everybody thats not as left as they are...and then throws the nazi tag on a band.

[CptnSpaulding]

i just got done listening to hate edge and i love that song
uhhhhhhh, cool dude

[Martina]

i dont understand how anyone can dislike cocksparrer.

whats more i cant understand someone saying "i like the templars but not cocksparrer".

The kids a tool, if you hadn't noticed already.

[Martina]

edit: its always funny to hear all the hardcore leftys judge everybody thats not as left as they are...and then throws the nazi tag on a band.

You're not calling L&H a hardcore leftie are you?

[tousunis]

i dont understand how anyone can dislike cocksparrer.

whats more i cant understand someone saying "i like the templars but not cocksparrer".

Because I don't like the singer of Cock Sparrer's voice, thats how.

[terrormachine]

You're not calling L&H a hardcore leftie are you?

He is a commie...Fortress wrote a song about him.

[Martina]

Because I don't like the singer of Cock Sparrer's voice, thats how.

You don't know shit....
Even if you don't like the singer's voice their music fucking rocks.

Have fun at the Sum41 show fuckwit.

[CptnSpaulding]

You're not calling L&H a hardcore leftie are you?
mmm, well maybe not him but the people who started the rumors were most def SHARPS. SHARPS can be like the liberal media

[Tomorrow Belongs To Me]

mmm, well maybe not him but the people who started the rumors were most def SHARPS. SHARPS can be like the liberal media


Who are you? Do you even know who L&H is? Damn man. I don't want to get into where YDL as a band stood 20 years ago, but I know where my friend stands and that is his business i'm not going to splash other peoples business all over the internet, maybe you shouldn't splash things over the net about people you don't know.

[CptnSpaulding]

Who are you? Do you even know who L&H is? Damn man. I don't want to get into where YDL as a band stood 20 years ago, but I know where my friend stands and that is his business i'm not going to splash other peoples business all over the internet, maybe you shouldn't splash things over the net about people you don't know.
what are you even saying? how do you figure i posted his business on that post?

[Martina]

Who are you? Do you even know who L&H is? Damn man. I don't want to get into where YDL as a band stood 20 years ago, but I know where my friend stands and that is his business i'm not going to splash other peoples business all over the internet, maybe you shouldn't splash things over the net about people you don't know.

Relax.
He already said he wasn't talking about L&H specificaly. He was just saying that it's usually the left wingers that pin the Nazi lable on bands....and he's right on that account.

[Martina]

what are you even saying? how do you figure i posted his business on that post?

I think he's getting up in arms that it looked like you were implying that L&H was a commie.

[Dawgnuts]

all of you are WP.

[CptnSpaulding]

I think he's getting up in arms that it looked like you were implying that L&H was a commie.
yea i was really confused

[Martina]

all of you are WP.

I think I need to gain another 50 pounds before I can qualify.

[Land & Heritage]

i dont really care what you say about them, their not a WP band. Basicaly anybody who knows anything about YDL knows that. Their is twice as much evidence that says they arent racist then all your supposive evidence that they are. Just because your anti-comunist..doesnt mean your a nazi. Rishi is married to a black woman. Am i missing something here?

basicaly, they got the same nazi tag that the anti-heros have. A few songs are just interpreted wrong by the wrong people (skinhead88....that song was the actual year 1988..everybody knew it at the time). If it came down to it....i would have to say the Anti-heros would be considered more WP (though neither of the bands are). But hell, if you think YDL is racist....then so are the anti-heros and Motorhead. Hell, motorhead had gigs with Skrewdriver all the time...the bands were buddy buddy. Members from Maddness and motorhead were all close friends with some members in Skrewdriver.

who cares if he thanked Ian Stuart?....the anti-heros should have thanked him also because they covered one of Skrewdrivers songs. Besides, he thanked him because Ian let him stay at his house for a few months due to lack of money and blah blah. It was 20 years ago and a lot of bands listened to Skrewdriver..especially in NY.

edit: its always funny to hear all the hardcore leftys judge everybody thats not as left as they are...and then throws the nazi tag on a band.

God I hope a certain someone is reading this thread. I told him all about it and he offered to give me a lot of ammunition to back up my claims as he's a former member and long-time associate of the band. I decided to throw in some of these tidbits along with what I know to be true from numerous sources. Without any incriminating photos, here's some facts:

#1) If Rishi married some black broad that has absolutely zero relevance to what YDL was about in their heyday. Chubby Chris of Combat 84 later married some Thai woman and that has no bearing on the fact that during the days of his band he was an NF supporter and an admitted racist.

#2) "Skinheads 88" the song was written about the year even though it has been alleged by some sources who knew the band personally that it had a double meaning around the "right people". Kind of like a "yeah it's only about the year *wink*wink" It all depends on who you ask so I guess the real truth will probably remain a mystery.

#3)YDL's connection to Skrewdriver was personal. English Nick considered himself to be a friend of Ian Stuart. That is how YDL alone gets the claim of being "America's first RAC band" because at the time they were the first American band officially endorsed by Ian Stuart and the Blood and Honour movement. There are pics floating around from the small RAC gig they organized at a biker bar in NY playing alongside Brute Force and Sick Society that would turn many a "non-racist skinhead"'s stomach and make many a white power skinhead proud. Can't remember what issue this was in off the top of my head but the pics did appear in Pure Impact.

#4)There is also the infamous interview English Nick did for the Blood & Honour UK fanzine where he is quite upfront about the band's politics and he voices his support for the NAAWP and David Duke. Hardly a stance for a "non-racist" band to take don't you think?

There are plenty of other connections with YDL & their old crew that were discussed on the old WSN board, (trust me they can all be substantiated). The fact is that the US skin scene of the 80s was filled with bands like YDL who flirted with the extreme right and in a sense deserved the tags the lefties put on them. They may not have been mein-kampf quoting "nazis" but they were the farthest thing from a SHARP you could imagine. In those days the lines were not as clear cut in the scene as they are now that's why it was easy for YDL to go from being patriotic War Zone/AF type skins at first to having more of a white nationalist message before they broke up. It seems like a good chunk of the US skin scene itself did the same thing. Like I said before the song "New Glory" (Victory) is probably the closest example I can think of to YDL being admittedly white nationalist and I don't think it's any coincidence that it was one of their last recordings.

In conclusion do I think YDL was a "white power band"? No not necessarily but do I think they are innocent of all the charges leveled against them by the reds regarding their politics? Not in the least bit. The fact is they were a patriotic band that started to take the plunge into white nationalism. I'm sure some members of the band were more into than others which probably led to their demise. How they feel about it today is for the most part irrelevant.

As for an Anti-Heros comparison, I disagree completely. They may have had a racist friend or two in their early days and some sketchy lyrics but for the most part you can tell that those songs were meant to be taken as irony or satire. Mark Noah has pretty much from day one of the band made it clear where he stands though I would say he got a lot more "anti" as opposed to "non-political".

The point of all of this is that the extreme right had a very large presence in the skinhead scene of the 1980s. To deny that and rewrite history is ridiculous whether it comes from the left or from the right.

In other words some of these bands belong just as much (if not more) to us than they do to you guys :tongue:

[CptnSpaulding]

nicely written...seriously.

but still.... do you remember the first post that you quoted from me? it was along the lines of me saying "its to bad they are considered nazi's". And now you have just addmited that they arent..so i dont know what we are talking about.

OK OK i get what your saying.... you are saying that they sort of flirted with WP back then along with other bands.

[Land & Heritage]

Thanks for the compliment on the post being nicely written, I'll try to make sure all of my future ones live up to that standard :wink:

I see your point though, your original quote was that they weren't "nazis" but I believe that you later stated they weren't WP which was the direction I figured you were gonna take it in the first place. Anyway I think we both understand where each other was coming from now so..."Murder One" any GA folks care to fill us in on how the song differs from the real story?

[CptnSpaulding]

Thanks for the compliment on the post being nicely written, I'll try to make sure all of my future ones live up to that standard :wink:

I see your point though, your original quote was that they weren't "nazis" but I believe that you later stated they weren't WP which was the direction I figured you were gonna take it in the first place. Anyway I think we both understand where each other was coming from now so..."Murder One" any GA folks care to fill us in on how the song differs from the real story?
yea, your right...i was saying that. I mean i always knew they were RAC, i always kinda just figured they werent WP though.

edit: fucking hate admiting i'm wrong

[circlestorm]

The interview with YDL in Schism Zine kinda confirmed their stance,it was towards the end of their career i think,ive not read it in a while as my copy of the book is currently buried in my packed stuff for my house move next week.

A lot of early american bands flirted with being WP from what i've been told,i think with the anti-heros they had some really informed and good lyrics like "national debt" and also carried the good tunes and lyrics through into their recent/reformed stuff.

[tousunis]

You don't know shit....
Even if you don't like the singer's voice their music fucking rocks.

Have fun at the Sum41 show fuckwit.

Fuck off I don't listen to Sum41. Cock Sparrer has good tunes but I dont like the singer's voice, and the singers voice has a huge impact on a band.

[Blue Blood]

God I hope a certain someone is reading this thread. I told him all about it and he offered to give me a lot of ammunition to back up my claims as he's a former member and long-time associate of the band. I decided to throw in some of these tidbits along with what I know to be true from numerous sources. Without any incriminating photos, here's some facts:

#1) If Rishi married some black broad that has absolutely zero relevance to what YDL was about in their heyday. Chubby Chris of Combat 84 later married some Thai woman and that has no bearing on the fact that during the days of his band he was an NF supporter and an admitted racist.

#2) "Skinheads 88" the song was written about the year even though it has been alleged by some sources who knew the band personally that it had a double meaning around the "right people". Kind of like a "yeah it's only about the year *wink*wink" It all depends on who you ask so I guess the real truth will probably remain a mystery.

#3)YDL's connection to Skrewdriver was personal. English Nick considered himself to be a friend of Ian Stuart. That is how YDL alone gets the claim of being "America's first RAC band" because at the time they were the first American band officially endorsed by Ian Stuart and the Blood and Honour movement. There are pics floating around from the small RAC gig they organized at a biker bar in NY playing alongside Brute Force and Sick Society that would turn many a "non-racist skinhead"'s stomach and make many a white power skinhead proud. Can't remember what issue this was in off the top of my head but the pics did appear in Pure Impact.

#4)There is also the infamous interview English Nick did for the Blood & Honour UK fanzine where he is quite upfront about the band's politics and he voices his support for the NAAWP and David Duke. Hardly a stance for a "non-racist" band to take don't you think?

There are plenty of other connections with YDL & their old crew that were discussed on the old WSN board, (trust me they can all be substantiated). The fact is that the US skin scene of the 80s was filled with bands like YDL who flirted with the extreme right and in a sense deserved the tags the lefties put on them. They may not have been mein-kampf quoting "nazis" but they were the farthest thing from a SHARP you could imagine. In those days the lines were not as clear cut in the scene as they are now that's why it was easy for YDL to go from being patriotic War Zone/AF type skins at first to having more of a white nationalist message before they broke up. It seems like a good chunk of the US skin scene itself did the same thing. Like I said before the song "New Glory" (Victory) is probably the closest example I can think of to YDL being admittedly white nationalist and I don't think it's any coincidence that it was one of their last recordings.

In conclusion do I think YDL was a "white power band"? No not necessarily but do I think they are innocent of all the charges leveled against them by the reds regarding their politics? Not in the least bit. The fact is they were a patriotic band that started to take the plunge into white nationalism. I'm sure some members of the band were more into than others which probably led to their demise. How they feel about it today is for the most part irrelevant.

As for an Anti-Heros comparison, I disagree completely. They may have had a racist friend or two in their early days and some sketchy lyrics but for the most part you can tell that those songs were meant to be taken as irony or satire. Mark Noah has pretty much from day one of the band made it clear where he stands though I would say he got a lot more "anti" as opposed to "non-political".

The point of all of this is that the extreme right had a very large presence in the skinhead scene of the 1980s. To deny that and rewrite history is ridiculous whether it comes from the left or from the right.

In other words some of these bands belong just as much (if not more) to us than they do to you guys :tongue:

Excellent post.

[terrormachine]

The point of all of this is that the extreme right had a very large presence in the skinhead scene of the 1980s. To deny that and rewrite history is ridiculous whether it comes from the left or from the right.



It is amazing how so few would be skinheads today had it not been for Skrewdriver and the whole WP scene in the 80's. Even the anti and sharpies were influenced by them because of their views. No one outside of the punk rock world knew what the fuck a skinhead was in 1984-85-86-87, and those in the that world knew skins to be racist and violent (even the WP mexicans and Lefty in DC). You know, I was around and I saw it with my own eyes. I'm not denying there were antis around back then.....but they weren't as numerous as today. Maybe in New York or LA, but not where I'm from and that's all that really matters....ME.

[Mike]

It is amazing how so few would be skinheads today had it not been for Skrewdriver and the whole WP scene in the 80's. Even the anti and sharpies were influenced by them because of their views. No one outside of the punk rock world knew what the fuck a skinhead was in 1984-85-86-87, and those in the that world knew skins to be racist and violent (even the WP mexicans and Lefty in DC). You know, I was around and I saw it with my own eyes. I'm not denying there were antis around back then.....but they weren't as numerous as today. Maybe in New York or LA, but not where I'm from and that's all that really matters....ME.

Fuck no they weren't around, we had our town to ourselves for 15 years or so before we saw any sharpies. When they started showing up (not just sharpies but any freshies) with their brand new parent bought Docs and flights, they were just free clothes outlet stores to us.

Between S.F. and Sac we had the whole central and northern part of the state on lock.

I try to explain to youngsters these days that the lines were not so black and white back then either. We has plenty of WP skins, but we also had a few mexican and black heads and plenty of other ethnicities around us in the punk scene and generally didn't have much static with any of them.

Our main problems were Mexican gangsters that lived in the areas where the show promoters would rent space to put on shows. Promoters never had a lot of cash so the shows were always in fucked up ghetto gangster areas. They would come around our shows all dusted up and looking to stab someone, and would be dealt with quickly.

[CptnSpaulding]

It is amazing how so few would be skinheads today had it not been for Skrewdriver and the whole WP scene in the 80's. Even the anti and sharpies were influenced by them because of their views. No one outside of the punk rock world knew what the fuck a skinhead was in 1984-85-86-87, and those in the that world knew skins to be racist and violent (even the WP mexicans and Lefty in DC). You know, I was around and I saw it with my own eyes. I'm not denying there were antis around back then.....but they weren't as numerous as today. Maybe in New York or LA, but not where I'm from and that's all that really matters....ME.
people outside the punk world still dont know what a skinhead is.

well, thats not true..they know what a nazi skin is

[terrormachine]

people outside the punk world still dont know what a skinhead is.

well, thats not true..they know what a nazi skin is

That's half my point. And they don't know what real nazi skins are...since I hardly think Bill Riccio qualifies as a skinhead.

[Dawgnuts]

Fuck no they weren't around, we had our town to ourselves for 15 years or so before we saw any sharpies. When they started showing up (not just sharpies but any freshies) with their brand new parent bought Docs and flights, they were just free clothes outlet stores to us.

Between S.F. and Sac we had the whole central and northern part of the state on lock.

I try to explain to youngsters these days that the lines were not so black and white back then either. We has plenty of WP skins, but we also had a few mexican and black heads and plenty of other ethnicities around us in the punk scene and generally didn't have much static with any of them.

Our main problems were Mexican gangsters that lived in the areas where the show promoters would rent space to put on shows. Promoters never had a lot of cash so the shows were always in fucked up ghetto gangster areas. They would come around our shows all dusted up and looking to stab someone, and would be dealt with quickly.


You are nuts. Sac had one of the earliest sharp scenes. They were there in the early 80s. stabbings @ cattle club ring a bell?

[Martina]

Fuck off I don't listen to Sum41. Cock Sparrer has good tunes but I dont like the singer's voice, and the singers voice has a huge impact on a band.

You like Sum41. Don't lie.....it makes baby Jesus cry.

[Blue Blood]

You are nuts. Sac had one of the earliest sharp scenes. They were there in the early 80s. stabbings @ cattle club ring a bell?
What? Any proof?
Earliest sharp scene east coast was NY 84/85ish...
West coast? i don't know to be honest..

[IronCityBoot]

What? Any proof?
Earliest sharp scene east coast was NY 84/85ish...
West coast? i don't know to be honest..

Sharp kiddies started showing their faces around here in 88-89 I think, just a few though. Also, I think that most of them were from the suburbs...go figure.

[terrormachine]

Sharp kiddies started showing their faces around here in 88-89 I think, just a few though. Also, I think that most of them were from the suburbs...go figure.

Same in Dallas, late 89 or so. They all lived in Garland/Richardson area and one of 'em worked at the Albertsens where my ex-wife and I shopped. I used to give him shit all the time, pissed him off bad. Funny thing though, after he quit SHARP, we actually got along alright. He's actually a nice guy.

[IronCityBoot]

Same in Dallas, late 89 or so. They all lived in Garland/Richardson area and one of 'em worked at the Albertsens where my ex-wife and I shopped. I used to give him shit all the time, pissed him off bad. Funny thing though, after he quit SHARP, we actually got along alright. He's actually a nice guy.

I remember these clueless fucks showing up at a show with fresh cuts and homemade patches with the little spartan on them. The week before they had green mohawks and so forth. The rest is history, the fun began.

[Dawgnuts]

What? Any proof?
Earliest sharp scene east coast was NY 84/85ish...
West coast? i don't know to be honest..


ANy proof? Yea I know them. Thats my proof. I know events that took place. Im not talkin 81 an shit im talkin like 84-85 too. Also mike will know what im talking about when I said stabbing at the cattle club.


I've also heard many times before people say there was a sharp scene in cali before east coast.

[CptnSpaulding]

I remember these clueless fucks showing up at a show with fresh cuts and homemade patches with the little spartan on them. The week before they had green mohawks and so forth. The rest is history, the fun began.
haha dude its still like that..... thoose types didnt matter then or now.

i still think a fresh cut nazi is twice as goofy lookin then the fresh sharps

[Mike]

ANy proof? Yea I know them. Thats my proof. I know events that took place. Im not talkin 81 an shit im talkin like 84-85 too. Also mike will know what im talking about when I said stabbing at the cattle club.


I've also heard many times before people say there was a sharp scene in cali before east coast.

I remember the stabbing at the CC but that wasn't until like the late 80's and was just the usual scene violence I thought? I wasn't there that night, so I just got second hand reports from friends, I could be wrong...

I don't remember any sharps coming around the main scene until like 89 or something? They kinda came out of the mod scene, then just a few here and there, never in force, unless they were kicking it at home or at house parties and didn't go to shows that much? The few sharps I saw were usually freshies and didn't want trouble, so I never really sweated them. Like I said it was mexican gangster types that we mainly had problems with.

Dawg you know the guys I hung out with, they would never have tolerated a bunch of anti static, in fact I can't recall more than one or two incidents with them ever, and they were between our freshcuts and theirs out doing stupid drunken shit.

Years later in the 90's (you would know this time period better than me Dawg) however after I moved away for work and a lot of the guys from the older scene married, had kids and moved on, I heard about problems downtown between anti's and 4th generation bones though. They weren't with any of my boys though...

Now I think there are a lot more anti's than bones in Sacto, the balance definitely changed over in the mid to late 90's.

Another long ass fucking internet post about the old scene, makes my net security Spidey sense go all bananas... I'm just paranoid I guess...

[Dawgnuts]

I remember the stabbing at the CC but that wasn't until like the late 80's and was just the usual scene violence I thought? I wasn't there that night, so I just got second hand reports from friends, I could be wrong...

I don't remember any sharps coming around the main scene until like 89 or something? They kinda came out of the mod scene, then just a few here and there, never in force, unless they were kicking it at home or at house parties and didn't go to shows that much? The few sharps I saw were usually freshies and didn't want trouble, so I never really sweated them. Like I said it was mexican gangster types that we mainly had problems with.

Dawg you know the guys I hung out with, they would never have tolerated a bunch of anti static, in fact I can't recall more than one or two incidents with them ever, and they were between our freshcuts and theirs out doing stupid drunken shit.

Years later in the 90's (you would know this time period better than me Dawg) however after I moved away for work and a lot of the guys from the older scene married, had kids and moved on, I heard about problems downtown between anti's and 4th generation bones though. They weren't with any of my boys though...

Now I think there are a lot more anti's than bones in Sacto, the balance definitely changed over in the mid to late 90's.

Another long ass fucking internet post about the old scene, makes my net security Spidey sense go all bananas... I'm just paranoid I guess...


He was a SHARP and it was done by wp. But yea they were around in the early/mid to late 80s. I know not as big as the wp scene. But yea it definently changed in the 90s.

[terrormachine]

I remember the stabbing at the CC but that wasn't until like the late 80's and was just the usual scene violence I thought? I wasn't there that night, so I just got second hand reports from friends, I could be wrong...

I don't remember any sharps coming around the main scene until like 89 or something? They kinda came out of the mod scene, then just a few here and there, never in force, unless they were kicking it at home or at house parties and didn't go to shows that much? The few sharps I saw were usually freshies and didn't want trouble, so I never really sweated them. Like I said it was mexican gangster types that we mainly had problems with.

Dawg you know the guys I hung out with, they would never have tolerated a bunch of anti static, in fact I can't recall more than one or two incidents with them ever, and they were between our freshcuts and theirs out doing stupid drunken shit.

Years later in the 90's (you would know this time period better than me Dawg) however after I moved away for work and a lot of the guys from the older scene married, had kids and moved on, I heard about problems downtown between anti's and 4th generation bones though. They weren't with any of my boys though...

Now I think there are a lot more anti's than bones in Sacto, the balance definitely changed over in the mid to late 90's.

Another long ass fucking internet post about the old scene, makes my net security Spidey sense go all bananas... I'm just paranoid I guess...

So whatever happened to all those old WAR skins out their or that satanist Bob Heich? A bunch of dudes calling themselves the Order skins came to Dallas in 87 to visit. Bunch of speed shooting crazies.

[Dawgnuts]

So whatever happened to all those old WAR skins out their or that satanist Bob Heich? A bunch of dudes calling themselves the Order skins came to Dallas in 87 to visit. Bunch of speed shooting crazies.

Pretty sure they were from so cal not nor cal.

[terrormachine]

Pretty sure they were from so cal not nor cal.

Yeah, I think you're right. But didn't the WAR skins have a crew in NorCal? I know the "legendary" Bob Heich was from SF...since he was a gopher to the older BASH boys at one time.

[Mike]

Yeah, I think you're right. But didn't the WAR skins have a crew in NorCal? I know the "legendary" Bob Heich was from SF...since he was a gopher to the older BASH boys at one time.

Well put, in fact nobody took him seriously for quite a while. Then he weasled his way on to the infamous Geraldo Show and next day had a group of freshie followers. Honestly, he was a bit of a joke as were many from AF back then. His scene pretty much fell apart in the late 80's.

[terrormachine]

Well put, in fact nobody took him seriously for quite a while. Then he weasled his way on to the infamous Geraldo Show and next day had a group of freshie followers. Honestly, he was a bit of a joke as were many from AF back then. His scene pretty much fell apart in the late 80's.

AF is still around and still as annoying as they were back then.

[Mike]

AF is still around and still as annoying as they were back then.

Aren't they up in Portland, Oregon somewhere? That was the last I heard of them. Heick even stole his nickname from an older BASH skinhead who had been around for years before he came along. He was like a 3rd generation head in S.F. and a freshie that tried too hard to make a name for himself and pissed a bunch of people off...It was hilarious that he was on t.v. acting like the spokesman for WAR with his semi-illiterate ass, I'm sure Rice was just loving that shit...

[Dawgnuts]

Aren't they up in Portland, Oregon somewhere? That was the last I heard of them. Heick even stole his nickname from an older BASH skinhead who had been around for years before he came along. He was like a 3rd generation head in S.F. and a freshie that tried too hard to make a name for himself and pissed a bunch of people off...It was hilarious that he was on t.v. acting like the spokesman for WAR with his semi-illiterate ass, I'm sure Rice was just loving that shit...


We beat him the fuck up in front of the press club in like 99 or 98. Funny shit.

[Mike]

We beat him the fuck up in front of the press club in like 99 or 98. Funny shit.

hahaha... Did he cry like a bitch or just sit there and take it?

[terrormachine]

Aren't they up in Portland, Oregon somewhere? That was the last I heard of them. Heick even stole his nickname from an older BASH skinhead who had been around for years before he came along. He was like a 3rd generation head in S.F. and a freshie that tried too hard to make a name for himself and pissed a bunch of people off...It was hilarious that he was on t.v. acting like the spokesman for WAR with his semi-illiterate ass, I'm sure Rice was just loving that shit...

HAHAHA...Bobby Blitz..head gopher. I remember watching some Geralso or something where he and Boyd Rice were walking around SF spreading rahowa. They had a sharpie (oh the irony) pen and wrote 666 white power on a warehouse door in about 1/2 inch letters. Gay fuckers. The AF dudes get treated like shit and laughed at unless their hanging out with Bart, cause he'll blow anyone.

And I'm not sure about Portland having AF, but Volksfront in up in that area, and they're defintely not associated with 'em.

[Mike]

HAHAHA...Bobby Blitz..head gopher. I remember watching some Geralso or something where he and Boyd Rice were walking around SF spreading rahowa. They had a sharpie (oh the irony) pen and wrote 666 white power on a warehouse door in about 1/2 inch letters. Gay fuckers. The AF dudes get treated like shit and laughed at unless their hanging out with Bart, cause he'll blow anyone.

And I'm not sure about Portland having AF, but Volksfront in up in that area, and they're defintely not associated with 'em.


...fucking pathetic state of affairs with that whole bunch of queers... I could never understand all the gay ass satanist bullshit either...

[OiMommy!]

Actually, the Templars don't really bother me, but I'm not much of a fan. Cocksparrer.....jesus they suck. So does Angry Aryans,etc, etc,
COCK SPARRER SUCKS?!?!?!?! WTF ON YOU ON????????
Youre off my Christmas card list...........:mad:

[Jax_mtl]

The best American band going right now though is probably the Whiskey Rebels from Sacto; those dudes have killer lyrics and great songs. Big Chuck also probably has the best voice outside of Zoli from Ignite.

The best American band right now is Ignite. "Our Darkest Days" is by far the best album of 2006!

[Loathe]

The best American band right now is Ignite. "Our Darkest Days" is by far the best album of 2006!

Damn, thats like, a joke or something right?

[Jax_mtl]

Damn, thats like, a joke or something right?

Anyone who doesn't dig Ignite is nuts in my book.

[CptnSpaulding]

Anyone who doesn't dig Ignite is nuts in my book.
they have potential.....but their way toooo popish for me. Their kind of like the bouncing souls, but not as hard (and that says a lot).

edit: whats up with their u2 covers anyways? shit, that did it for me when i heard that

[Jax_mtl]

they have potential.....but their way toooo popish for me. Their kind of like the bouncing souls, but not as hard (and that says a lot).

edit: whats up with their u2 covers anyways? shit, that did it for me when i heard that

Brett says they chose that cover cause they wanted to cover a political song that everyone knew. They were playing a large festival in Europe where they thought know one knew them, and figured they would have at least one song everyone would know. Apparently they've gotten lots of compliments on it, so they keep playing it.

Their earlier stuff is less popish. I love them anyways.

[CptnSpaulding]

Brett says they chose that cover cause they wanted to cover a political song that everyone knew. They were playing a large festival in Europe where they thought know one knew them, and figured they would have at least one song everyone would know. Apparently they've gotten lots of compliments on it, so they keep playing it.

Their earlier stuff is less popish. I love them anyways.
i just checked them out on their myspace. The first song wasnt horrible- popish- but not horrible. second one was the gay U2 cover. third one, some slow emo song........thats when i clicked the X on the top right of the web page.

[Jax_mtl]

i just checked them out on their myspace. The first song wasnt horrible- popish- but not horrible. second one was the gay U2 cover. third one, some slow emo song........thats when i clicked the X on the top right of the web page.

That's all off the new album.... If you want something less popish check out the Call on My Brothers or Past our Means albums.

[Loathe]

Fuck those kids, I looked them up and they had some crazy anti-american video.

[Royo]

I'm not a black man
I'm an American
I'm not a ******
I'm not a honky
My birthright liberty


Anti-Heroes wrote some great tunes; I don't think they get nearly enough appreciation on this board.

Thats why i have there logo tattooed on my fucking neck

[Royo]

Skull head was good shit to. I'm still reading thru all the posts. so skip teese posts i guess

[CptnSpaulding]

Fuck those kids, I looked them up and they had some crazy anti-american video.
what? fuck that then...fuck that

[Jax_mtl]

what? fuck that then...fuck that

Hahahahahaha!!! Anti George Bush perhaps... but far from being an anti-American band. But then again, I forget that on this board one automatically means the other.

[Loathe]

Hahahahahaha!!! Anti George Bush perhaps... but far from being an anti-American band. But then again, I forget that on this board one automatically means the other.

It was anti-soldier, being a soldier that means anti-me. Again, fuck those kids.

[ArmedSuspect]

It was anti-soldier, being a soldier that means anti-me. Again, fuck those kids.


How do you get anti-soldier out of that video and from these lyrics? If anything, the band feels that soldiers are being treated like cannon fodder and that Bush and other political leaders place no value on the lives of soldiers. I don't want to get into a political discussion but please think before you make another misinformed statement.

To my country
The mounting costs
Our freedom's lost
The death of liberty
We live in a Kingdom of reigns
The dogs of war rule the day
The hypocrites roam in gangs
The truth is lost
It's war's first casualty
Speak the truth
If you've got something to say
To lead the boys off to war
Is to throw them away
Depleted rounds kill
RU-238
These troubled times
Bringing on our darkest days
Is this the death of liberty
Is this the price that life has come to mean
All our friends, now enemies
The misery of
Bleeding
Tell the truth
If you've got something to say
No blood for oil, killing fields
Halliburton money
Wounded troops left to rot
No help from the VA
These troubled times
Bringing on our darkest days
Bleeding
Speak the truth or throw it away

[CptnSpaulding]

Hahahahahaha!!! Anti George Bush perhaps... but far from being an anti-American band. But then again, I forget that on this board one automatically means the other.
i dont know what you meant by that.......... but if your refering to this board being mainly conservative..... then you are way off

[Martina]

COCK SPARRER SUCKS?!?!?!?! WTF ON YOU ON????????
Youre off my Christmas card list...........:mad:

I know, I usually like that dude too.

[Jax_mtl]

i dont know what you meant by that.......... but if your refering to this board being mainly conservative..... then you are way off

Yup, that's pretty much my opinion. After years of debating in the politics section, that's the conclusion I've come to.

[Weasel]

Yup, that's pretty much my opinion. After years of debating in the politics section, that's the conclusion I've come to.
motherfuck the politics section.

[CptnSpaulding]

say word son

[Loathe]

I like the politics, but I'm not a "conservative", what ever that means this week.

i'm a libertarian.

[CptnSpaulding]

I like the politics, but I'm not a "conservative", what ever that means this week.

i'm a libertarian.
so your a fucking hippie? haha

[Loathe]

so your a fucking hippie? haha

Nah man, hippies are communists.

[CptnSpaulding]

Nah man, hippies are communists.
haha, you know i'm fuckin with ya

[Loathe]

haha, you know i'm fuckin with ya

I know man.

Besides Bakkar is the only hippie skinhead I know.