fsu murder suspect nabbed

[lionhearted 1]

finally, about time they caught the shitbag responsible for the asbury park murder. i hope he gets assraped by the "gangstas" he tried to emulate so much. just my two cents.

ASBURY PARK — Alexander J. Franklin, 33, of Brooklyn, N.Y., was arrested here Friday and charged with manslaughter in the beating death of James C. Morrison, 25, of New Gretna, last month outside Club Deep in Asbury Park. A joint investigation by the Asbury Park Police Department and the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office Major Crimes Unit led to Franklin’s apprehension, which revealed his association with the gang FSU, or Friends Stand United, according to a news release from the Prosecutor’s Office.

According to police, FSU was responsible for driving out the neo-Nazi presence in the Boston hardcore punk scene of the mid-1980s, and has grown into a gang of young men who assault individuals at hardcore shows in dozens of cities across the country — shows similar to the one Morrison attended Jan. 14.

In an interview last month, several of Morrison’s friends dismissed allegations that Morrison was involved with skinheads or neo-Nazi groups. The altercation was related to a Lyrnd Skynrd T-shirt worn by one of Morrison’s friends that night at Club Deep, which depicted a confederate flag, they said.

“I’ve known him since middle school and he has no ties to racist groups. Jim was in the Navy and fought at the beginning of the war in Iraq. He went there to protect the rights of the person who killed him. Jim liked everybody and hung out with all kinds of people,” said Sam Ross, a roommate and friend of Morrison’s.

Ross said Morrison also liked reggae and rap music, and helped organize and cook at a fundraiser for victims of Hurricane Katrina last fall. In a news release Saturday, the Prosecutor’s Office wrote that after an altercation involving Morrison and several others, Morrison was asked to leave the club by security personnel and was escorted outside. Once outside the club, Morrison and his friends decided to leave, the release said.

A short time later, Morrison’s friends began to walk to the parking lot when Franklin approached Morrison and punched him on the right side of his face, according to the news release. Morrison fell backward, striking his head on the sidewalk, and Franklin fled the scene, authorities said.

At about 5:50 p.m. Jan. 14, Asbury Park police officers responded to Club Deep after a 911 call about a fight there. Officer Cynthia Yost found Morrison lying on the ground in front of Club Deep; he was unconscious, unresponsive and bleeding from the back of the head, authorities said. Emergency medical technicians from the Asbury Park Fire Department transported him to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune, where he was pronounced dead at about 6:30 p.m. An autopsy showed Morrison died as a result of blunt force trauma to the back of the head.

If convicted of manslaughter, Franklin faces a maximum of 10 years in prison, and would have to serve 8½ years before parole eligibility under the No Early Release Act.

Franklin’s bail was set at $300,000 by the Monmouth County Superior Court Judge James J. McGann.

Anyone with information about Franklin, his conduct Jan. 14 or the case is encouraged to call Detective Randall Hill of the Asbury Park Police Department at (732) 774-1300 or Detective Michael Magliozzo of the Monmouth County Prosecutor’s Office at (800) 533-7443.

“I just hope they got the right person, and I hope he gets life in prison, or a suitable punishment for the heinous crime he committed. From what I knew about Jim he wasn’t into that sort of thing — skinheads and racist groups. I’ve known him for a long time and that’s not what I’m into either,” said Chris Morey, who added that he had known Morrison since age 5.

[Knucks]

“I just hope they got the right person, and I hope he gets life in prison, or a suitable punishment for the heinous crime he committed. From what I knew about Jim he wasn’t into that sort of thing — skinheads and racist groups. I’ve known him for a long time and that’s not what I’m into either,” said Chris Morey, who added that he had known Morrison since age 5.

'Cause we all know... they're one and the same. :rolleyes:

[Packratt]

People still keep bringing this shit up, irregardless, after what happened to me I seriously doubt whatever the police and prosecutors tell the press. In fact, the police asking for people to come forward and tell them what happend makes me think they really don't know what happened either, makes me wonder why the hell they made an arrest and made a PR bid by announcing it to the press... Gee, pretty much like they tried to do with me.

[BRFC hooligan]

we're finally getting a semi-detailed account from a note worthy source. thats a big step up from all the rumors.

[Knucks]

we're finally getting a semi-detailed account from a note worthy source. thats a big step up from all the rumors.

Yeah, well like the last kid in the article said, hopefully they got the right guy and all this shit will be done with. It makes me sick to hear about this again and again... just so fucked up.

[Argyleskin]

People still keep bringing this shit up, irregardless, after what happened to me I seriously doubt whatever the police and prosecutors tell the press. In fact, the police asking for people to come forward and tell them what happend makes me think they really don't know what happened either, makes me wonder why the hell they made an arrest and made a PR bid by announcing it to the press... Gee, pretty much like they tried to do with me.


Just remember, people always tell the truth at scenes of crimes. They would never cover their own asses because they did something wrong themselves and they would certainly not make things up just to feel important.

No..wait.Um *scratches head* YES they do. Damnit I forgot about that.
People believe what they want, and if they don't know much they believe the majority, even when the facts aren't out rumors rule the roost of beliefs.

[lionhearted 1]

'Cause we all know... they're one and the same. :rolleyes:
its the media, what do you expect? they dont exactly think we are these guys -->:hippy: .

[lionhearted 1]

People still keep bringing this shit up, irregardless, after what happened to me I seriously doubt whatever the police and prosecutors tell the press. In fact, the police asking for people to come forward and tell them what happend makes me think they really don't know what happened either, makes me wonder why the hell they made an arrest and made a PR bid by announcing it to the press... Gee, pretty much like they tried to do with me.
but your innocent... these guys are not. huge world of a difference, not even compairable.

[Argyleskin]

but your innocent... these guys are not. huge world of a difference, not even compairable.

But how do you know they aren't innocent in this instance? You know what I'm saying? Sure they might have done this or that but in this case maybe they didn't have anything to do with his death, maybe it was just convienent to pin it on them since whoever did it may have not liked them and knew the majority of people there didn't like them either.

Until someone comes out and says "I did it" or there is proof in way of video or cell phone pics..etc..I cant believe anything like this stuff anymore.

[Packratt]

but your innocent... these guys are not. huge world of a difference, not even compairable.

Yeah, alot of people were runnin their mouths around here about my being guilty and being FSU while it was going on.

So, how do you KNOW the person they got really is guilty and really is FSU? Cause the news and police told ya so?

[lionhearted 1]

But how do you know they aren't innocent in this instance? You know what I'm saying? Sure they might have done this or that but in this case maybe they didn't have anything to do with his death, maybe it was just convienent to pin it on them since whoever did it may have not liked them and knew the majority of people there didn't like them either.

Until someone comes out and says "I did it" or there is proof in way of video or cell phone pics..etc..I cant believe anything like this stuff anymore.
i really dont feel like elaborating any further than i already did, but trust me, those in custody are the ones that commited the murder. these are FACTS. keep in mind, these guys arent family guys that go out to have a good time, they are bullies that beat up innocent kids whom wont fight back... this time it went too far and now they got caught.

[weknowhowtolive]

But how do you know they aren't innocent in this instance? You know what I'm saying? Sure they might have done this or that but in this case maybe they didn't have anything to do with his death, maybe it was just convienent to pin it on them since whoever did it may have not liked them and knew the majority of people there didn't like them either.

Until someone comes out and says "I did it" or there is proof in way of video or cell phone pics..etc..I cant believe anything like this stuff anymore.From what i've heard through the grape vines every there at the club that night knew exactly who did it and people were afraid to open their mouths. SOunds like someone finally manned up and did.

[lionhearted 1]

From what i've heard through the grape vines every there at the club that night knew exactly who did it and people were afraid to open their mouths. SOunds like someone finally manned up and did.
you, my friend, have heard the right thing then.

[weknowhowtolive]

i really dont feel like elaborating any further than i already did, but trust me, those in custody are the ones that commited the murder. these are FACTS. keep in mind, these guys arent family guys that go out to have a good time, they are bullies that beat up innocent kids whom wont fight back... this time it went too far and now they got caught.See? Like I said above. It was pretty much a known fact as soon as it happened who did it. Its all over all the things ive read, everyone ive spoken to about it.

And this shouldnt be manslaughter. 10 years. hah.

[weknowhowtolive]

you, my friend, have heard the right thing then.It was all over everywhere the next day. I heard about it HERE. Funny how "Friends" spread word so fast about something...like its bragging.

[Argyleskin]

From what i've heard through the grape vines every there at the club that night knew exactly who did it and people were afraid to open their mouths. SOunds like someone finally manned up and did.

Like I said if they got the right guy, great. But you have to understand my position on this too. It will never be easy for me to listen to opinion or group "facts" unless real facts are given. Not saying you're not right, but me personally, I need more. Ya know.

[lionhearted 1]

It was all over everywhere the next day. I heard about it HERE. Funny how "Friends" spread word so fast about something...like its bragging.
absolutly. and they didnt read into "loose lips sink ships"... now they are fucked... and i mean that quite literally.

[weknowhowtolive]

Like I said if they got the right guy, great. But you have to understand my position on this too. It will never be easy for me to listen to opinion or group "facts" unless real facts are given. Not saying you're not right, but me personally, I need more. Ya know.Well, didnt 4 FSU guys get grabbed in Seattle last March with guns, bullet proof vests and coke? I read about THAT and from what i've heard it was 100% true.

I know what happened to Pack would fuck anyones opinion up in a situation like this...just like anything else. But, this wasnt really an investigation. It was just a matter of time.

[CptnSpaulding]

And this shouldnt be manslaughter. 10 years. hah.

If it really was a one-hitter.... and the guy fell and hit his head........ then yes, it is def manslaughter. Dont act like any of you guys havent hit anybody before.

but if that is complete BS and he did in fact get beat multiple times to death.......... then that is murder

[lionhearted 1]

Like I said if they got the right guy, great. But you have to understand my position on this too. It will never be easy for me to listen to opinion or group "facts" unless real facts are given. Not saying you're not right, but me personally, I need more. Ya know.
i can see you point and know what you mean Sabby. its enough for me though, if you look at the other threads you'll see that i showed up about 20 minutes after it happened and everyone was still "did you see what ___ did?". and the fact that they tried to drag a very good friend of mine who is a skin into the mix.

[Argyleskin]

Well, didnt 4 FSU guys get grabbed in Seattle last March with guns, bullet proof vests and coke? I read about THAT and from what i've heard it was 100% true.

I know what happened to Pack would fuck anyones opinion up in a situation like this...just like anything else. But, this wasnt really an investigation. It was just a matter of time.


The numbers on that are quite off. Fact is only one member of FSU was arrested and charges. Charges were dropped because of the tactics used to arrest the men who were. I stood and watched the whole thing go down, about 50+ people did too.

One of the men arrested for a short time (charges were dropped as well before it went far) was a skinhead.

That evening when the guys were searched, cuffed, photographed etc (though not arrested mind you..) 90% of them were skins..7% just punks..3% were FSU or friends of such. I may be off a bit on numbers but think about that though..the bulk were skins just hanging out talking doing absolutely nothing.

Edit- It was said that a cop patrolling saw an FSU jacket outside the club (on someone just hanging out..not doing anything) called it in, two paddywagons rolled up, and that's when shit started. Seriously it was like a movie the way they came in and jumped out the back..etc. All over a coat.

[Packratt]

Well, didnt 4 FSU guys get grabbed in Seattle last March with guns, bullet proof vests and coke? I read about THAT and from what i've heard it was 100% true.

I know what happened to Pack would fuck anyones opinion up in a situation like this...just like anything else. But, this wasnt really an investigation. It was just a matter of time.

Well, all I know is that my name is now tied in with things I had nothing to do with and there ain't crap I can do to erase that. So when the same kind of crap gets spouted elsewhere and people start quoting a newspaper that has my name in it, I'm not fucking happy about it.

That's what happens when police aren't carefull about what they tell the press and the press isn't carefull about the names they drag through the dirt for a story.

[weknowhowtolive]

The numbers on that are quite off. Fact is only one member of FSU was arrested and charges. Charges were dropped because of the tactics used to arrest the men who were. I stood and watched the whole thing go down, about 50+ people did too.

One of the men arrested for a short time (charges were dropped as well before it went far) was a skinhead.

That evening when the guys were searched, cuffed, photographed etc (though not arrested mind you..) 90% of them were skins..7% just punks..3% were FSU or friends of such. I may be off a bit on numbers but think about that though..the bulk were skins just hanging out talking doing absolutely nothing.

Edit- It was said that a cop patrolling saw an FSU jacket outside the club (on someone just hanging out..not doing anything) called it in, two paddywagons rolled up, and that's when shit started. Seriously it was like a movie the way they came in and jumped out the back..etc. All over a coat.Huh. Totally different than what I heard about. I heard they were charged and everything.

[Packratt]

Well, didnt 4 FSU guys get grabbed in Seattle last March with guns, bullet proof vests and coke? I read about THAT and from what i've heard it was 100% true.

I know what happened to Pack would fuck anyones opinion up in a situation like this...just like anything else. But, this wasnt really an investigation. It was just a matter of time.

Yeah, let's just say that my case isn't the first fucking time the police and the press up here labled people as being FSU when they weren't.

[Argyleskin]

Huh. Totally different than what I heard about. I heard they were charged and everything.

4 were arrested and charged...charges were dropped across the board. Only one lingered a bit longer then the rest.

I wrote the above a bit wrong..I wrote something other then what I meant. Not gonna go back and edit. My brain is a bit wonky.
I think "arrested" and I think charges stick not just picked up arrested and dropped..hard to explain.

[weknowhowtolive]

Well, all I know is that my name is now tied in with things I had nothing to do with and there ain't crap I can do to erase that. So when the same kind of crap gets spouted elsewhere and people start quoting a newspaper that has my name in it, I'm not fucking happy about it.

That's what happens when police aren't carefull about what they tell the press and the press isn't carefull about the names they drag through the dirt for a story.Of course. I understand that. But I get the feeling this is different than what happened to you. I could be wrong, I wasnt there. But from what i've heard the only reason it took so long is people were afraid to talk because of who it was.

[weknowhowtolive]

4 were arrested and charged...charges were dropped across the board. Only one lingered a bit longer then the rest.Sounds to me like Seattle reporters are fucking dumb :wink:

[weknowhowtolive]

4 were arrested and charged...charges were dropped across the board. Only one lingered a bit longer then the rest.

I wrote the above a bit wrong..I wrote something other then what I meant. Not gonna go back and edit. My brain is a bit wonky.
I think "arrested" and I think charges stick not just picked up arrested and dropped..hard to explain.Nah i get it.

I just heard about guns, bullet proof vests and coke. Whatever, sounds like the Seattle papers are about 0% reliable. there has been shit that went on around here and got reported in local papers and it was usually pretty much accurate.

But I think everyone knows reporters are trigger happy since they have to get the story out first.

[Packratt]

Of course. I understand that. But I get the feeling this is different than what happened to you. I could be wrong, I wasnt there. But from what i've heard the only reason it took so long is people were afraid to talk because of who it was.

Funny how this shit works the way it does, the people who snitched to the police in my case were all people who had to save their own hides and everyone listened to those fucks, the people who knew the truth never came forward or were ignored.

Like the police told me, if it weren't for that fucking video I would be in prison by now... So much for the word of snitches who are "brave" enough to "man up" being truth.

[Argyleskin]

Sounds to me like Seattle reporters are fucking dumb :wink:

They are to a degree. The girl who wrote the piece on FSU originally all but begged people to talk about FSU. I'm suprised she wasn't giving out lollipops to people who said stuff. Plus it wasn't the classic "What experience have you personally had with them", she was taking shit like "Well I once heard from a farmer when I lived in Utah that FSU ate babies.." that kinda shit. So even that article supposedly "exposing" the evils of Seattle FSU was so tainted and fucked that you couldn't seperate truth from fiction if you wanted to.

Honestly though, 3 of the guys that night out of the 4 who were arrested had no reason to even be arrested. Aside from the fact they didn't do anything it was pure classification. Just like a cop pulling a black guy driving a bmw over for being black in a rich car..they arrested those guys for simply looking a certatin way.

[weknowhowtolive]

Funny how this shit works the way it does, the people who snitched to the police in my case were all people who had to save their own hides and everyone listened to those fucks, the people who knew the truth never came forward or were ignored.

Like the police told me, if it weren't for that fucking video I would be in prison by now... So much for the word of snitches who are "brave" enough to "man up" being truth.Video? I must have missed somethin.

[Packratt]

Video? I must have missed somethin.

Fuck, didn't you read that shit? In my case, the only thing that stopped the prosecutors from putting me away soley based on the word of snitches was a video from cameras in the venue that showed I didn't do anything and it showed the guy who did.

[weknowhowtolive]

Fuck, didn't you read that shit? In my case, the only thing that stopped the prosecutors from putting me away soley based on the word of snitches was a video from cameras in the venue that showed I didn't do anything and it showed the guy who did.Hahahaha no I didnt read about that. Makes more sense now though.

[Packratt]

Hahahaha no I didnt read about that. Makes more sense now though.

Actually, let me be more clear about it. They were going to send me up the fucking river and pretend that video didn't exist until I got a real fucking lawyer.

So much for the police and prosecutors telling the press the truth about a case, huh? Fuckin bullshit pisses me off to no fucking end.

[Loathe]

The numbers on that are quite off. Fact is only one member of FSU was arrested and charges. Charges were dropped because of the tactics used to arrest the men who were. I stood and watched the whole thing go down, about 50+ people did too.

One of the men arrested for a short time (charges were dropped as well before it went far) was a skinhead.

That evening when the guys were searched, cuffed, photographed etc (though not arrested mind you..) 90% of them were skins..7% just punks..3% were FSU or friends of such. I may be off a bit on numbers but think about that though..the bulk were skins just hanging out talking doing absolutely nothing.

Edit- It was said that a cop patrolling saw an FSU jacket outside the club (on someone just hanging out..not doing anything) called it in, two paddywagons rolled up, and that's when shit started. Seriously it was like a movie the way they came in and jumped out the back..etc. All over a coat.


To be honest, considering who and what we are, can you really claim to be surprised.

I spent the night in 2nd D (DC holding) for driving without a license, and an hour later was sitting down with a gang task force officer because I had one of travis's american skinhead shirts on.

Thankfully I met the one gang specialist that actually seemed to know wtf he was talking about, and he laughed, and sent me back to my cell after I told him I didn't know shit about shit.

I know a couple of local skins that have been forced to deal with gang task force bullshit, and one friend (young cat, SHARP like crazy) recently listed as a hate group member.

Funny as shit, but can really fuck you up.

Not for the faint of heart.

[CptnSpaulding]

an hour later was sitting down with a gang task force officer because I had one of travis's american skinhead shirts on.

hey, at least your story aint somewhere on the lines like, "I dont understand why I always get in a fight everytime I wear this shirt"

..... and yes, I have heard that.... thats why I dont even bother wearing shirts that say like, "SKINHEADS still alive and kicking" and what not. I know what I am and people that matter know what I am.

But then again, if you like having easy opportunities to get into a fight... then HELL YEA

[Professor]

hey, at least your story aint somewhere on the lines like, "I dont understand why I always get in a fight everytime I wear this shirt"

..... and yes, I have heard that.... thats why I dont even bother wearing shirts that say like, "SKINHEADS still alive and kicking" and what not. I know what I am and people that matter know what I am.

But then again, if you like having easy opportunities to get into a fight... then HELL YEA

seriously....'advertising' will only bring unwanted attention. you'd think people would figure that out by now.

[Argyleskin]

seriously....'advertising' will only bring unwanted attention. you'd think people would figure that out by now.

I'm starting to question that "Hit me" tattoo I got on my forehead now.
Damnit Professor, why didn't you tell me this before?

:wink:

And I agree. I don't advertise who/what I am if someone is down they'll just know anyways. Little subtle hints are often the best ones.

[Gut Check]

Did you guys read the comments under the article? People are saying the guy who got killed was WP, and they were not objecting to a Lynard Skynard shirt, but a flight jacket with a confederate flag and WP buttons. Worth getting killed over? No. But do any of the new allegations about the victims friends hold water?

[drunk as hell]

I'd feel great about punching a guy named Jim Morrison. Even better if he died.

[lionhearted 1]

I'd feel great about punching a guy named Jim Morrison. Even better if he died.
keep your stupid shit out of this thread out and have some respect for the deceased... you idiot.

[aaronriddle]

But how do you know they aren't innocent in this instance? You know what I'm saying? Sure they might have done this or that but in this case maybe they didn't have anything to do with his death, maybe it was just convienent to pin it on them since whoever did it may have not liked them and knew the majority of people there didn't like them either.

Until someone comes out and says "I did it" or there is proof in way of video or cell phone pics..etc..I cant believe anything like this stuff anymore.

I was told by a person that was there that a tall mexican dude hit the guy in the face which caused him to fall on the asphault and crack open the back of his head. The guy being blamed for it is a 5' 4" tattoo artist at "Brooklyn Ink". So yeah lets get facts straight

[Tokyohoon]

And there ya go - contradictory statements.

This is why there's a system in which the state is supposed to prove a case "beyond a reasonable doubt". It's a shame that in some places, like Seattle, the system is broken unless you have enough money to fix it.

[CptnSpaulding]

Did you guys read the comments under the article? People are saying the guy who got killed was WP, and they were not objecting to a Lynard Skynard shirt, but a flight jacket with a confederate flag and WP buttons. Worth getting killed over? No. But do any of the new allegations about the victims friends hold water?
why didnt this get out sooner? I mean, not that it really matters at this point......... but their are people that claim they were at the scene after it happened.... and people saying they talked to people that were at the scene before or after..... you think something like that would get out fast(about him flying WP/confederate pins/whatever).

There are two sides of the story.... what people say happened who were their/ and or friends........ and what the press writes on what people who were there said. Maybe its just me, but I still dont think the real story is out yet.

[lionhearted 1]

Did you guys read the comments under the article? People are saying the guy who got killed was WP, and they were not objecting to a Lynard Skynard shirt, but a flight jacket with a confederate flag and WP buttons. Worth getting killed over? No. But do any of the new allegations about the victims friends hold water?
i didnt see that but i know for a fact that the victim has no connection with any of the areas WP factions... nor was he flying "colors" or "badges", he was simply wearing a Skynard shirt and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. those who are spreading rumors on that site definitly need to shut their mouths.

[lionhearted 1]

may i add the irony of the whole deal is "oldschool" Alex used to run with several WP people some years back, a few good friends of mine. it wasnt till he moved to nyc that he became mr super anti and fsu.

anyone else see the hypocrisy?

[Gut Check]

may i add the irony of the whole deal is "oldschool" Alex used to run with several WP people some years back, a few good friends of mine. it wasnt till he moved to nyc that he became mr super anti and fsu.

anyone else see the hypocrisy?
Someone else mentions the connection of members of FSU to a biker gang with racist ties in those comments, speaking of that, which is why I posted in the other thread not to read it because it will leave you with more questions than answers.

[lionhearted 1]

[quote=Gut Check;129365]Someone else mentions the connection of members of FSU to a biker gang with racist ties in those comments, speaking of that, which is why I posted in the other thread not to read it yeah, i hear you man. i think that the comments have been made to do exactly that, confuse the masses. bottom line is an innocent kid that didnt have any ties with anyone is dead because of a t shirt... with a rebel flag on it. pretty fucked if you ask me.

[Packratt]

yeah, i hear you man. i think that the comments have been made to do exactly that, confuse the masses. bottom line is an innocent kid that didnt have any ties with anyone is dead because of a t shirt... with a rebel flag on it. pretty fucked if you ask me.

Sounds like the kid was a friend of your's, my sympathies.

[lionhearted 1]

Sounds like the kid was a friend of your's, my sympathies.
i actually never met the kid but a few friends knew and hung out with him before. suprisingly they described him as harmless and said he was just one of those cool nontough guy types that liked hardcore. and because it was his music of choice and he went to a show wering a shirt that the masses didnt agree with his life is over. for some reason this murder hit me hard and made me really reexamine alot of stuff.

[Knucks]

i actually never met the kid but a few friends knew and hung out with him before. suprisingly they described him as harmless and said he was just one of those cool nontough guy types that liked hardcore. and because it was his music of choice and he went to a show wering a shirt that the masses didnt agree with his life is over. for some reason this murder hit me hard and made me really reexamine alot of stuff.

What kind of shirt was it, exactly?

I have heard everything from it being a band TShirt (like Lynyrd Skynyrd or something) to a shirt with some kind of racist slogan on it and a pic of the rebel flag flying over the white house.

[weknowhowtolive]

What kind of shirt was it, exactly?

I have heard everything from it being a band TShirt (like Lynyrd Skynyrd or something) to a shirt with some kind of racist slogan on it and a pic of the rebel flag flying over the white house.Oh and a picture of MLK jr "slashed out."

its all a bunch of shit. There are so many rumors about it. Its not like its some hard fact to find out. The dude went to the hospital in the fucking shirt. And who is going to tell the truth when it comes to a fucking shirt, the dudes who killed him? haha. Right.

[lionhearted 1]

What kind of shirt was it, exactly?

I have heard everything from it being a band TShirt (like Lynyrd Skynyrd or something) to a shirt with some kind of racist slogan on it and a pic of the rebel flag flying over the white house.
Lynard Skynard with a rebel flag... not offensive at all imo.

edit- ive worn much worst.

[Argyleskin]

For a couple cents you can get the police reports and what not from the county it happened in. In same places what the victim was wearing is on the reports.

It will clear all this shit up. Jesus christ it's retarded as fuck, unless you were there you know absolutely zero. Sometimes even friends make mistakes or don't see as clearly as they would (ie- seeing when not drunk) so lets just wait on who wore what/said what/did what..til later.

I heard some curious stuff..I won't believe it on either side until more and more proof and things valid come out.

"My friends mother who's sister does the hair of the cousin who went to school with a guy who knows him said that Ferris Bueller was dead..."

Seeeee what happens. Stay home with a cold in the morning, wind up with an iron lung and dead 4 fold over by sunset.

[Blood Red Eagle]

i heard that the guy didnt really throw the punch, it was zog, and this guy was so amazed that all the time the wp's were right he decided to take the rap for it. purple monkey chinese whisper bicycle helmet.

[Blue Blood]

i heard that the guy didnt really throw the punch, it was zog, and this guy was so amazed that all the time the wp's were right he decided to take the rap for it. purple monkey chinese whisper bicycle helmet.

Are you losing it? hahahhahaahhahaa
Coffee cup tireiron pizza fries

[lionspride]

may i add the irony of the whole deal is "oldschool" Alex used to run with several WP people some years back, a few good friends of mine. it wasnt till he moved to nyc that he became mr super anti and fsu.

anyone else see the hypocrisy?

Youre saying alex was a WP at one time? Funny..last time I checked he wasnt white or remotely white looking...Not to mention he's been a non racist skinhead for the last 20 years.... Yet he ran with your WP friends? Bullshit. Hopefully your mouth will catch up with you one day



finally, about time they caught the shitbag responsible for the asbury park murder. i hope he gets assraped by the "gangstas" he tried to emulate so much. just my two cents.

And you know he did it how? Oh thats right I forgot.... a friend of a friend told you some "inside information." You claim to have been there..which of course is bullshit. I know that, you know that and I'm sure half the board figured that out by now. Why would you go to a show 3 states away a half hour late to see bands who you yourself stated in the other thread are full of "wigger faggots"? Cause its bullshit. At this point your pulling shit out of your ass to look important. To give you the benefit of the doubt, lets say you were there. You yourself said you got there AFTER it happened. Which ofcourse means you didn't see shit.
That's like me walking in a bank a half hour after it's robbed and claiming to know who did it. Your so called "inside info" is the Asbury Press and the countless internet rumors.


but your innocent... these guys are not. huge world of a difference, not even compairable.

According to the dork who didnt see shit and wasnt there to begin with...



i really dont feel like elaborating any further than i already did, but trust me, those in custody are the ones that commited the murder. these are FACTS..

See above comments



i can see you point and know what you mean Sabby. its enough for me though, if you look at the other threads you'll see that i showed up about 20 minutes after it happened and everyone was still "did you see what ___ did?". and the fact that they tried to drag a very good friend of mine who is a skin into the mix.

Again you didnt see shit. Sit the fuck down tourist. Another point... you claim the shirt in question is a skynyrd shirt. Ok.... Why didnt you say anything about that in the other thread when the angry mob with pitchforks were saying it was a pantera shirt? Cause like I said you dont know shit.

Stick to what you know. Like following around the WPs on this site with your nose up their ass. You're a joke. I'm sure you'll respond with the typical "ur gay" or some e-tough guy bullshit. Thats fine I dont give a shit. I know thats all you got. The most you can do is give me some red. Ohhhh noes dont do that....Fuck you. I know you wouldnt say shit to my face or anyones face for that matter.


Since this happened I've heard a million different versions of this story. I'm interested like everyone else in learning the FULL story. Hopefully soon some truth will come out instead of the bullshit internet rumors that have been going around since day one.

[lionhearted 1]

Youre saying alex as a WP at one time? Funny..last time I checked he wasnt white or remotely white looking...Not to mention he's been a non racist skinhead for the last 20 years.... Yet he ran with your WP friends? Bullshit. Hopefully your mouth will catch up with you one day




And you know he did it how? Oh thats right I forgot.... a friend of a friend told you some "inside information." You claim to have been there..which of course is bullshit. I know that, you know that and I'm sure half the board figured that out by now. Why would you go to a show 3 states away a half hour late to see bands who you yourself stated in the other thread are full of "wigger faggots"? Cause its bullshit. At this point your pulling shit out of your ass to look important. To give you the benefit of the doubt, lets say you were there. You yourself said you got there AFTER it happened. Which ofcourse means you didn't see shit.
That's like me walking in a bank a half hour after it's robbed and claiming to know who did it. Your so called "inside info" is the Asbury Press and the countless internet rumors.




According to the dork who didnt see shit and wasnt there to begin with...





See above comments





Again you didnt see shit. Sit the fuck down tourist. Another point... you claim the shirt in question is a skynyrd shirt. Ok.... Why didnt you say anything about that in the other thread when the angry mob with pitchforks were saying it was a pantera shirt? Cause like I said you dont know shit.

Stick to what you know. Like following around the WPs on this site with your nose up their ass. You're a joke. I'm sure you'll respond with the typical "ur gay" or some e-tough guy bullshit. Thats fine I dont give a shit. I know thats all you got. The most you can do is give me some red. Ohhhh noes dont do that....Fuck you. I know you wouldnt say shit to my face or anyones face for that matter.


Since this happened I've heard a million different versions of this story. I'm interested like everyone else in learning the FULL story. Hopefully soon some truth will come out instead of the bullshit internet rumors that have been going around since day one.
no, im gonna simply respond with truth that your wife wanted my stick... she used to call me at all hours of the night and was a bit "obsessed". the truth hurts, i know. deal with it.

[lionspride]

no, im gonna simply respond with truth that your wife wanted my stick... she used to call me at all hours of the night and was a bit "obsessed". the truth hurts, i know. deal with it.

See what I mean? Thats all you can respond with. Thats like saying yo mama...I know you wouldnt say that shit to my face. The fact you go 3 states over to hang out in north Jersey instead of your own state speaks volumes. Like I said sit the fuck down

[lionhearted 1]

See what I mean? Thats all you can respond with. Thats like saying yo mama...I know you wouldnt say that shit to my face. The fact you go 3 states over to hang out in north Jersey instead of your own state speaks volumes. Like I said sit the fuck down
but its the truth. cant dodge that. and as far as me going to jersey, thats where the majority of my friends live, whats it to you, dicktaster? your just mad because you wernt doing a sufficent job and she went looking elsewhere. now do yourself a favor to save more future embarassment and fuck off. thx.

[lionspride]

but its the truth. cant dodge that. and as far as me going to jersey, thats where the majority of my friends live, whats it to you, dicktaster? your just mad because you wernt doing a sufficent job and she went looking elsewhere. now do yourself a favor to save more future embarassment and fuck off. thx.
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Pulling the GF/momma card. Youre pathetic.

[lionhearted 1]

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Pulling the GF/momma card. Youre pathetic.
but as i stated before, its 100% truth. im doing you and her a favor by not posting myspace correspondance because i have class and honor. two things you dont know anything about, John. now drop it already, nothing more to say.

[Packratt]

Shit... Ok, how many people who "knew what happened" were posting shit about me when I was away? Seeing crap like this really makes me wonder.

Should be a simple rule: unless you were there and saw it with your own two eyes, you don't know shit. I'd be interested to hear the real story too, but at this point I doubt anyone would know it even if we heard it.

[lionspride]

but as i stated before, its 100% truth. im doing you and her a favor by not posting myspace correspondance because i have class and honor. two things you dont know anything about, John. now drop it already, nothing more to say.

Ofcourse this has nothing to do with the fact of you talking out your ass about what happened at club deep. How about you address what I had to say about that? Cause you know Im right.

I can say your mom,sister,girl whoever sent me some love letters on myspace. Does that make it true? No. Hell I could act like I'm copying and pasting a message from them. Doesnt mean I cant change an innocent bulletin or message to look the way I want it too. On the subject of her, you were on her myspace for a week. She deleted you. She has a million friends on myspace. Big deal.The fact you go this route instead of addressing what I posted in response to what you have said only proves you are full of shit.

[lionspride]

Shit... Ok, how many people who "knew what happened" were posting shit about me when I was away? Seeing crap like this really makes me wonder.

Should be a simple rule: unless you were there and saw it with your own two eyes, you don't know shit. I'd be interested to hear the real story too, but at this point I doubt anyone would know it even if we heard it.

Exactly.

10 words

[Tokyohoon]

i didnt see that but i know for a fact that the victim has no connection with any of the areas WP factions... nor was he flying "colors" or "badges", he was simply wearing a Skynard shirt and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. those who are spreading rumors on that site definitly need to shut their mouths.

Hmmmm? Thought it was his friend that was supposed to be wearing the Skynrd shirt, and that the victim stepped in to keep his friend from getting assaulted.

[lionhearted 1]

Ofcourse this has nothing to do with the fact of you talking out your ass about what happened at club deep. How about you address what I had to say about that? Cause you know Im right.

I can say your mom,sister,girl whoever sent me some love letters on myspace. Does that make it true? No. Hell I could act like I'm copying and pasting a message from them. Doesnt mean I cant change an innocent bulletin or message to look the way I want it too. On the subject of her, you were on her myspace for a week. She deleted you. She has a million friends on myspace. Big deal.The fact you go this route instead of addressing what I posted in response to what you have said only proves you are full of shit.
i was there 20 minutes after the facts and have several people who can vouch for me on that. i may have not seen it with my two eyes but heard factual accound from people that were there. whats it to you?

also, i have someone who will address this later aswell. you should have just walked when you had the chance, now your really going to look like a dick... or more of one i should say.

[lionhearted 1]

Hmmmm? Thought it was his friend that was supposed to be wearing the Skynrd shirt, and that the victim stepped in to keep his friend from getting assaulted.
see above post. things will be clairified after that.

[eddie shots]

i can vouge for lionhearted1. he was there. i talked to him and one of the people who was working there at the time when i was on my way down and told that they werent letting anyone in or out. this is the scene i am a part of and if anyone has any further questions pm me.

[Packratt]

i can vouge for lionhearted1. he was there. i talked to him and one of the people who was working there at the time when i was on my way down and told that they werent letting anyone in or out. this is the scene i am a part of and if anyone has any further questions pm me.

Yeah, keep this crap to PMs. Like I said, unless you saw it you don't know shit.

Hell, the people who turned me over claimed they saw shit but I was lucky there was video to prove they were full of crap and had some sort of axe to grind, I was just a convenient whetstone.

This shit sounds WAY to fucking similar and it's really pissing me off.

[lionspride]

i can vouge for lionhearted1. he was there. i talked to him and one of the people who was working there at the time when i was on my way down and told that they werent letting anyone in or out. this is the scene i am a part of and if anyone has any further questions pm me.


Alright. Check your PMs

I dont know what happened. I dont claim to know what happened. I wasnt there. Up there aint my scene. From day one I've watched the story change a billion times. I'm doubtful of anything Ive seen or heard so far. Including in the press.
I'm interested like everyone else in getting the full story or aleast some truthful facts of the story from a person who was there. Instead of this game of telephone.

[MONK]

i saw packy digging up the grave of wesley willis.

[Blood Red Eagle]

i saw packy digging up the grave of wesley willis.
packratt kicked his ASS! rock on london, Rock over chicago, pontiac it's americas favourite automobile.

[drunk as hell]

didn't mean to bring out the bleeding hearts. yeah it's a shitty thing but what the fuck can anybody do about it now. glad to see skinheads are turning into empathetic humanists.

[MONK]

folks, sabby is in the hospital giving birth right now.

[Blood Red Eagle]

folks, sabby is in the hospital giving birth right now.
all this time all i had to do was quote wesley willis. well sorry to keep you waiting. good luck.

[MONK]

rock over london rock on chicago wheaties breakfast of champions

[weknowhowtolive]

folks, sabby is in the hospital giving birth right now.Yeeeeeehaw!

[Packratt]

folks, sabby is in the hospital giving birth right now.

You forgot to tell them the part about it being an alien.

[Blood Red Eagle]

You forgot to tell them the part about it being an alien.
hopefully it isnt wesley willis's birdman. i blame monk if it is.

[MONK]

oprah winfrey

[Blood Red Eagle]

oprah winfrey
maybe it will be a bush baby or a bilby? she was really wishing for one of those. she will be so happy.

[MONK]

fucking laughing my ass off to welsey willis tracks right now i can't even keep a straight face when picking up the phones.

[Blood Red Eagle]

fucking laughing my ass off to welsey willis tracks right now i can't even keep a straight face when picking up the phones.
i dont like W.W, but "they threw me out of church" does crack me up. just reminded myself of the time i got thrown out of the sistine chapel in rome. hah

[Packratt]

folks, sabby is in the hospital giving birth right now.

Oh, and in case anyone was fooled... no, she is not.

[Blood Red Eagle]

Oh, and in case anyone was fooled... no, she is not.
i was fooled. you're all caaaaannnnttss

[MONK]

i was fooled. you're all caaaaannnnttss

i was there. i can prove it. all i need to jump onto myspace and find a group which is posting comments about her in the delivery room. give me 5 minutes. i will find a forum with a story way crazier than swiftys and post it up.

[Blood Red Eagle]

i was there. i can prove it. all i need to jump onto myspace and find a group which is posting comments about her in the delivery room. give me 5 minutes. i will find a forum with a story way crazier than swiftys and post it up.
hey, that's all i ask :wink:

[Blue Eyed Devil]

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Pulling the GF/momma card. Youre pathetic.

First of all... I have seen first hand the correspondence between Steve and your Wife. He tired repeatedly to stop talking to her however she was persistant. Many times I'd be on the phone with him and she'd call... and if she wasn't calling, she was emailing him (constantly). Sorry to say but it's the truth.

Steve comes to Jersey when he can to see everyone, he has a lot of friends here and is very well liked/respected. I was supposed to go to Club Deep the night of Jim Morrison's murder, however did not make it due to my car having been broken into. I called Steve to find out how the show was going and he then filled me in on the course of events and keep me posted throughout the night.

Should you have any questions.... pls feel free to PM me. Thx.

[MONK]

goddamn. more drama in this thread than a weeks worth of episodes from dr. phil, maury, montel, oprah, and springer combined.

[CptnSpaulding]

.....ouch

[lionspride]

First of all... I have seen first hand the correspondence between Steve and your Wife. He tired repeatedly to stop talking to her however she was persistant. Many times I'd be on the phone with him and she'd call... and if she wasn't calling, she was emailing him (constantly). Sorry to say but it's the truth.



I disagree with this douche and next thing I know he gets his friends to start shit with me online. How pathetic. You rarely post here (Ive never noticed you before) but all of a sudden you come on to post that. What the fuck does any of this shit have to do with the subject of this thread? Nothing. Here's the thing. Steve was on my wives myspace for alittle over a week, your friend then posted 2 neo nazi messages in my wives myspace comments. She deleted him after that. She has members of her family who are black and spanish and I myself am not a 100% white so you can see why see wouldnt take kindly to that shit. Not to mention she dont want anything to do with 2 faced bitches who dont even have the balls to openly claim WP. I shared that account with her. I was on there as much as she was. I saw all the messages coming and going. You're full of shit.


The fact he has to have you come on here to stir up shit is just sad. Specially when it has nothing to do with what I said.

[lionspride]

Anyway I'm done with this thread. Fuck this shit.

[Dawgnuts]

Its so funny to see so many people comment on something that they know nothing more then internet hear say about.


If you don't know personally what happened, dont fuckin talk about it. Don't say you heard this or someone told you this. You don't know someone don't talk about what you heard about them.

[Tokyohoon]

If you don't know personally what happened, dont fuckin talk about it. Don't say you heard this or someone told you this. You don't know someone don't talk about what you heard about them.

Amen to that.

There needs to be an Internet service where we can havea beer delivered to someone's door. Like Paypal, but with beer.

'Cause Dawg deserves one for saying one of the few things worth saying in this entire thread.

[Mommys_lil_Chola]

Lionspride, get back at your chick, send me nudes. :smile:

Post some good messages, don't tease.

[Loathe]

Its so funny to see so many people comment on something that they know nothing more then internet hear say about.


If you don't know personally what happened, dont fuckin talk about it. Don't say you heard this or someone told you this. You don't know someone don't talk about what you heard about them.

I'd take it a step further, and say even if you do know something keep it to yourself, or tel it to the cops.

This is a god damned message board. We mainly come here to fuck around.

I mean, seriously, Packy's shit should have taught us all something. Don't assume anything.