Hezbollah leader Nasrallah regrets war

[King of all Buffets]

I put this in politics even though its more like comedy....Sounds like the Israelis hurt Sheik Hassan Nasrallahs feelings.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/27/nasrallah-abduction.html

[Gut Check]

Yeah, FOX News live just reported he didn't think the kidnapping would lead to a war. These are the saviors of the muslim world?

[King of all Buffets]

Yeah, FOX News live just reported he didn't think the kidnapping would lead to a war. These are the saviors of the muslim world?

Ha ha...he should complain about the Jews always "overreacting"

[OiMommy!]

Yeah, FOX News live just reported he didn't think the kidnapping would lead to a war. These are the saviors of the muslim world?


Muslims are ass the fuck backwards.

Ancient Rome had a very advanced system of plumbing and even before that there was crude yet fairly effective attempts at sewage systems.........Modern Day Afghanistan the men sit down to piss,the woman stand up to piss and they cant be bother to dig a hole in the ground to do so(and theyre the same with #2.they stop,shit and walk off leaving piles everywhere)
They get the water from puddles(if theyre lucky) as building a well is beyond them.......why so backwards??? Muslim leaders like it that way!

[King of all Buffets]

Muslims are ass the fuck backwards.

Ancient Rome had a very advanced system of plumbing and even before that there was crude yet fairly effective attempts at sewage systems.........Modern Day Afghanistan the men sit down to piss,the woman stand up to piss and they cant be bother to dig a hole in the ground to do so(and theyre the same with #2.they stop,shit and walk off leaving piles everywhere)
They get the water from puddles(if theyre lucky) as building a well is beyond them.......why so backwards??? Muslim leaders like it that way!

How would our country look after years of war?

Muslims come from cultures with long standing acheivements in science and culture just like the romans.

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/science.htm

[OiMommy!]

How would our country look after years of war?

Muslims come from cultures with long standing acheivements in science and culture just like the romans.

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/science.htm
oh please they stopped after Algebra...........
Iraq,Afhanstian,Jordan,Egypt etc...........they are HELPLESS and totally dependant on their currupt leaders and Mullahs Years of war has nothing to do with it.They are kept dependant and uneducated.............In this day and fucking age there is no excuse for not knowing that you dont shit on the Ground..........

So when have you been to the Middle East?????

[LastRites]

So when have you been to the Middle East?????
Or South America...or Asia....or Africa. There are plenty of people with their ass on backwards.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

Or South America...or Asia....or Africa. There are plenty of people with their ass on backwards.
Shit, there's people in NORTH America with their ass on backwards.

[LastRites]

Shit, there's people in NORTH America with their ass on backwards.
Tru dat.

[OiMommy!]

Or South America...or Asia....or Africa. There are plenty of people with their ass on backwards.
Yes my Husband's other area of work is Northern Africa........enough said I think........Although they all have Sattelite phones there! They live in mud huts yet can make phone calls!!!

[LastRites]

Yes my Husband's other area of work is Northern Africa........enough said I think........Although they all have Sattelite phones there! They live in mud huts yet can make phone calls!!!
I understand what youre saying here...just wanted to let you know that using this as a reason/argument you are giving fuel to borderline [what people consider ]"racist" arguments of comparing Europeans culturally to everyone else. :tongue:

[OiMommy!]

I understand what youre saying here...just wanted to let you know that using this as a reason/argument you are giving fuel to borderline [what people consider ]"racist" arguments of comparing Europeans culturally to everyone else. :tongue:
I think Im quite open about my "selective racism"(I hate everyone until youve given me reason to feel differently) and the fact I hate muslims........:biggrin:

[Vitnir]

I put this in politics even though its more like comedy....Sounds like the Israelis hurt Sheik Hassan Nasrallahs feelings.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/27/nasrallah-abduction.html
Yes, he saw what the soldiers written about his mom on the bombs they sent him.


Indeed, the Golden Age of Islam had long passed and it seems that in most, if not all, Islamic states they evolve backward. They don't invest in infastructuce, science, education and welfare services at all. All you hear is "Give us more money, we're starving".

[Bound Fo' Glory]

Yes my Husband's other area of work is Northern Africa........enough said I think........Although they all have Sattelite phones there! They live in mud huts yet can make phone calls!!!
I'll tell Achmed and Umbooboo you said what's up when they call.

[King of all Buffets]

I understand what youre saying here...just wanted to let you know that using this as a reason/argument you are giving fuel to borderline [what people consider ]"racist" arguments of comparing Europeans culturally to everyone else. :tongue:

Your right, its ethnocentrism and its pretty ignorant

I think Im quite open about my "selective racism"(I hate everyone until youve given me reason to feel differently) and the fact I hate muslims........:biggrin:

Well you wouldnt be a very good jew if your didnt :biggrin: ...right?

[weknowhowtolive]

I'll tell Achmed and Umbooboo you said what's up when they call.Sweet sig.


You're all a bunch of racists. You all hate whitey till Israel bombs someone and then its sand****** dunecoon towel head motherfuckers diggin holes in the ground cant understand you ragheads this and that.

[OiMommy!]

Your right, its ethnocentrism and its pretty ignorant



Well you wouldnt be a very good jew if your didnt :biggrin: ...right?
Funny that as Im not a Jew......Baptised,raised and still a practicing Catholic.
I hate Muslims from a funny little incident so veryyy long ago..you may not know of it but it happened on SEPTEMBER 11th and ,even if some dont want to admit it,it CHANGED every single American and although Europe(despite being some sort of new Mecca for every rag head in the world)doesnt want to admit it it changed your countries too.

Muslims will NOT rest until EVERY non -Muslim either converts(although they hate converts) or is killed............You could be wearing an "I Love Bin Laden" shirt and it makes no difference...you are an Infidel and you must be destroyed............
Israel is "the Little Devil",America and the "Big Devil" and Britain aint far behind............

[OiMommy!]

I'll tell Achmed and Umbooboo you said what's up when they call.
Tell Umbooboo that his Baby Momma keeps paging me-that bitch is crazy!!:biggrin:

[King of all Buffets]

Funny that as Im not a Jew......Baptised,raised and still a practicing Catholic.
I hate Muslims from a funny little incident so veryyy long ago..you may not know of it but it happened on SEPTEMBER 11th and ,even if some dont want to admit it,it CHANGED every single American and although Europe(despite being some sort of new Mecca for every rag head in the world)doesnt want to admit it it changed your countries too.

Dont patronize me, the repurcussion of Sept 11th dont stop at the Canadian border.


Muslims will NOT rest until EVERY non -Muslim either converts(although they hate converts) or is killed............You could be wearing an "I Love Bin Laden" shirt and it makes no difference...you are an Infidel and you must be destroyed............
Israel is "the Little Devil",America and the "Big Devil" and Britain aint far behind............

Muslims just want the west to leave them the fuck alone, its no coincidence that the more we become involved in instituting our brand of democracy in the middle east, the more they act out against the west. I am not Justifying the actions of terrorists, but at least do your homework and realize that the whole issue is a hell of alot deeper then "all muslims hate us all and want to kill us".

[WBC]

I dont want a large Muslim population on my doorstep... they are happy to proselytize by violence.... and they do look down on non-Muslims.... they simply are at odds with my culture and Nation...

however... taking 9/11 as an incident born out of a political vacuum is bullshit.... did any one of you who use the WTC bombings as an excuse to hate Muslims and justify their murder ask questions, go onto the streets or complain when the US and Britian were constantly trying to play kingmakers in the Middle East? or when they enrolled jihadists to fight against the reds (simultaneously turning a blind eye to the jihadists roaring opium trade)? of course not.... all caught up in this manifest destiny superpower bullshit y'all sat on your hands while the conditions for this current climate came into being.....

[Moonhop]

I think there are alot of similarities between the struggle in Northern Ireland against British rule and the situation in the Middle east. I'm not saying it's right but I can see why it is happening.

[WBC]

I think there are alot of similarities between the struggle in Northern Ireland against British rule and the situation in the Middle east. I'm not saying it's right but I can see why it is happening.
I dont think there is a comparison.... the Middle East has tribal loyalty, religious sects, and multiple monarchies struggling for power.... here we have a simple imperial power/native Nationalist struggle....

[Moonhop]

I dont think there is a comparison.... the Middle East has tribal loyalty, religious sects, and multiple monarchies struggling for power.... here we have a simple imperial power/native Nationalist struggle....

Good points all around.

I was trying to sugest there might be similarities because you have two groups with a outside goverment exerting their will amongst them.

[King of all Buffets]

I dont want a large Muslim population on my doorstep... they are happy to proselytize by violence.... and they do look down on non-Muslims.... they simply are at odds with my culture and Nation...

however... taking 9/11 as an incident born out of a political vacuum is bullshit.... did any one of you who use the WTC bombings as an excuse to hate Muslims and justify their murder ask questions, go onto the streets or complain when the US and Britian were constantly trying to play kingmakers in the Middle East? or when they enrolled jihadists to fight against the reds (simultaneously turning a blind eye to the jihadists roaring opium trade)? of course not.... all caught up in this manifest destiny superpower bullshit y'all sat on your hands while the conditions for this current climate came into being.....

USA has been playing chess in/with the Middle east since 1945 and is just starting to realize that maybe the games not going to go in there favour.

[WBC]

USA has been playing chess in/with the Middle east since 1945 and is just starting to realize that maybe the games not going to go in there favour.
Its not just an American thing.... Europe, and the former Soviet bloc were in it too, interfering, inciting..... its just that they were more subtle about it......

[King of all Buffets]

Its not just an American thing.... Europe, and the former Soviet bloc were in it too, interfering, inciting..... its just that they were more subtle about it......

for as much as Europe like to complain about everything the US does it sure does not mind silently riding around on its coat tales and have it keep its rep as #1 bully.

[WH Jay]

for as much as Europe like to complain about everything the US does it sure does not mind silently riding around on its coat tales and have it keep its rep as #1 bully.

The British leader likes to ride around on its coat tales, most of the people do not....

[WH Jay]

I think there are alot of similarities between the struggle in Northern Ireland against British rule and the situation in the Middle east. I'm not saying it's right but I can see why it is happening.

In what way?
Targetting ordinary working people in Britain is not the answer to either in the long run though is it?

[militarymite]

I put this in politics even though its more like comedy....Sounds like the Israelis hurt Sheik Hassan Nasrallahs feelings.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/27/nasrallah-abduction.html
Nasrallah regrets his actions, but his followere still worship him. I'm sure Saddam Hussein regrets his judgements prior to the war. The Sunnis still fight for him. I just saw a series on 9/11 and Osama bin Laden and it reported Osama was highly critcized by senior Al Qeda for the attacks on the World Trade Center because it led to Al Qeda losing a whole country from which to base it's operations from and forced Osama to lead his army into the mountains of Tora Bora where they were slaughtered by coalition forces.
Osama remains the leading inspirational figure to millions of Muslims throughout the world. Looking at pictures of Afganistan and some in Iraq, it looks like the set of a Biblical epic of some sort. These people live so far back in time, live by the same values as those from antiquity and seem to like it that way. The thought of democratic government taking hold in these places along with political and social reform in our lifetime seems to me so far from reality. Their thought processes are so different from ours and the western world. What chance in hell do Bush administration policies have to work as they stand today?

[siobahn]

a publicity stunt and nothing more. hezbollah are masters of propaganda and never neglect any effort that might sway public opinion in their favour.

Muslims will NOT rest until EVERY non -Muslim either converts(although they hate converts) or is killed............You could be wearing an "I Love Bin Laden" shirt and it makes no difference...you are an Infidel and you must be destroyed............
Israel is "the Little Devil",America and the "Big Devil" and Britain aint far behind............i agree with you in a way... but i think it makes sense to differentiate between those terrorists who fight on a national level (to have their land/be left alone) and those who fight for internationalist islam (to convert/kill the whole world). as a north american, one is much more of an issue for me than the other.

i think in many cases people support bin laden simply because he dealt a serious blow to the states. of course in the arab world it helps that he is muslim, but there are also folks all around south america, asia and parts of africa who idolize him because they want to bring down the US.

of course their societies are, for the most part, extremely fucking backwards.. (as are many others, as LR pointed out). still it's useful to know about different groups/motivations, seeing as we'll probably be dealing with people in this part of the world for a long time into the future.. unless you think bombing them all to oblivion is a viable option.

[Vitnir]

Muslims will NOT rest until EVERY non -Muslim either converts(although they hate converts) or is killed............

It does say so in the Koran. The Koran has 2 "mantras" and one says they should live in peace with other religions while the other says all infidels must convert either willingly, either through tourture or to be killed. Guess which one most prefer?

[Hostilesouthern]

Muslims just want the west to leave them the fuck alone, its no coincidence that the more we become involved in instituting our brand of democracy in the middle east, the more they act out against the west. I am not Justifying the actions of terrorists, but at least do your homework and realize that the whole issue is a hell of alot deeper then "all muslims hate us all and want to kill us".


This is the biggest load of horse shit. That area of the world has been fighting, killing and warring for THOUSANDS of years. We are fairly new to the world political scene, so fuck that noise that they just want to be left alone. Beduins and Hebrews exchanged power and land several times over before anyone put down roots.

Around 1780 or so, Thomas Jefferson got sick of our ships getting attacked and sent envoys to Algiers, asking "why do you attack us, we have no quarrel with you"

The answer- "you are not Muslims, you do not matter to us"

Only after France took up OCCUPATION in several of the Muslim countries in N. Africa did the problem abate somewhat. After france left, the same brand of Islamic "pirate" problems returned. England and France lost a good deal of sailors to the slave trade this way. Now I know back then the seas had a large share of pirates, the difference is most of those ships had a crew loyal in a sense to their own ship. these Barbary pirates were loyal to islamic countries.

And this crap about chess,the Middle East has been a mess for the rest of the world, OF COURSE countries affected will take sides. Stop with this Poor poor muslims and the savaged Middle East. they have been exporting their bullshit well before America showed up.

Finally, you people need to understand their are different sects of Islam the same way Christians have their own nuts. islam just has more right now.

[King of all Buffets]

This is the biggest load of horse shit. That area of the world has been fighting, killing and warring for THOUSANDS of years. We are fairly new to the world political scene, so fuck that noise that they just want to be left alone. Beduins and Hebrews exchanged power and land several times over before anyone put down roots.

What part of the world hasnt?



And this crap about chess,the Middle East has been a mess for the rest of the world, OF COURSE countries affected will take sides. Stop with this Poor poor muslims and the savaged Middle East. they have been exporting their bullshit well before America showed up.

I dont advocate pitying anyone but as well deal with the threat that comes from the middle east, it serves us better to let these issues inform us and not just fuel a blind sense of bigotry



Finally, you people need to understand their are different sects of Islam the same way Christians have their own nuts. islam just has more right now.

way more.....The west needs to find a way to deal with these kooks that doesnt just rally more moderate muslims to their cause.

[Hostilesouthern]

What part of the world hasnt?

Which would be the point now, wouldn't it? There will never be "world peace", our various cultures, values and beliefs prohibit such a thing. The best this planet is able to hope for in terms of armed conflicts is, the conflicts are central to the areas they are fought in, meaning nukes are not used. M.A.D.D. has it's merits of course. I'm just so sick of this mantra around here, America started all the problems in the world. if we would just stop telling other people what to do....blah blah.

I keep hearing we should be involved in Sudan. Why? We have no dog in that fight and uhhh shouldn't we stop telling people what to do? Let the limp dick U.N. do what they keep telling everyone they are capable of...

....except they are not capable.

[King of all Buffets]

Which would be the point now, wouldn't it? There will never be "world peace", our various cultures, values and beliefs prohibit such a thing. The best this planet is able to hope for in terms of armed conflicts is, the conflicts are central to the areas they are fought in, meaning nukes are not used. M.A.D.D. has it's merits of course. I'm just so sick of this mantra around here, America started all the problems in the world. if we would just stop telling other people what to do....blah blah.

I keep hearing we should be involved in Sudan. Why? We have no dog in that fight and uhhh shouldn't we stop telling people what to do? Let the limp dick U.N. do what they keep telling everyone they are capable of...

....except they are not capable.

Your right, America cant be the scapegoat for all the worlds problems. I think europe needs to step up more and help out internationally to take some of the burden off of US forces.

[Blue Blood]

Sweet sig.


You're all a bunch of racists. You all hate whitey till Israel bombs someone and then its sand****** dunecoon towel head motherfuckers diggin holes in the ground cant understand you ragheads this and that.
Now that's a good sig.

[Blue Blood]

I dont want a large Muslim population on my doorstep... they are happy to proselytize by violence.... and they do look down on non-Muslims.... they simply are at odds with my culture and Nation...

however... taking 9/11 as an incident born out of a political vacuum is bullshit.... did any one of you who use the WTC bombings as an excuse to hate Muslims and justify their murder ask questions, go onto the streets or complain when the US and Britian were constantly trying to play kingmakers in the Middle East? or when they enrolled jihadists to fight against the reds (simultaneously turning a blind eye to the jihadists roaring opium trade)? of course not.... all caught up in this manifest destiny superpower bullshit y'all sat on your hands while the conditions for this current climate came into being.....

That's the whole problem with the world's view on terrorism,the West is treating the effects,and not addressing the cause.

[weknowhowtolive]

Your right, America cant be the scapegoat for all the worlds problems. I think europe needs to step up more and help out internationally to take some of the burden off of US forces.How about the middle east steps up and takes some of that fucking burden, seeing as how they are the ones doing all the fighting?

[Blue Blood]

It does say so in the Koran. The Koran has 2 "mantras" and one says they should live in peace with other religions while the other says all infidels must convert either willingly, either through tourture or to be killed. Guess which one most prefer?
At least the sand******s let us know up front that they hate us....

[King of all Buffets]

How about the middle east steps up and takes some of that fucking burden, seeing as how they are the ones doing all the fighting?

You and your racist rants, seriously dude I cant handle it!

[WBC]

That's the whole problem with the world's view on terrorism,the West is treating the effects,and not addressing the cause.
I think its too late to address the cause.... apart from the continuing irrational support for Israel, the damage is done......

[Hostilesouthern]

How about the middle east steps up and takes some of that fucking burden, seeing as how they are the ones doing all the fighting?



That's bullshit son. Fighting flares up all over the world. The Middle East just gets a pass since, ya know, they are so victimized.

[WBC]

How about the middle east steps up and takes some of that fucking burden, seeing as how they are the ones doing all the fighting?
the money to rebuild Lebanon better be comin from the Israelis..... one penny from Europe goes to rebuild what those fuckers flattened and there'll be ructions.....

[weknowhowtolive]

That's bullshit son. Fighting flares up all over the world. The Middle East just gets a pass since, ya know, they are so victimized.D'oh! I forgot. Lemme fork out some dough, make sure my nations leaders do the same, make sure they raise my taxes...and then in 2 years the country we're sending boatloads of cash on will bomb our embassy or something and we'll go spend even more to fuck them up royaly. Seriously, i hope the middle east drops off the face of the fucking planet. Whod miss it?

[weknowhowtolive]

the money to rebuild Lebanon better be comin from the Israelis..... one penny from Europe goes to rebuild what those fuckers flattened and there'll be ructions.....Are you kidding? I bet most of it comes from the US.

[King of all Buffets]

the money to rebuild Lebanon better be comin from the Israelis..... one penny from Europe goes to rebuild what those fuckers flattened and there'll be ructions.....

The money will be comming from Hezbollah, thats the problem. They will now pump millions into the infastructure and get even more support from the public then they had before the war.

[WBC]

Are you kidding? I bet most of it comes from the US.
well... your idiot in charge did send them bombs.... it should come out of the Bushs' personal wealth..... that would make that inbred hick millenial parasite think twice before supporting that shit again....

[weknowhowtolive]

well... your idiot in charge did send them bombs.... it should come out of the Bushs' personal wealth..... that would make that inbred hick millenial parasite think twice before supporting that shit again....
Haha noooope...my taxes will just go up for a year or two.

[Hostilesouthern]

D'oh! I forgot. Lemme fork out some dough, make sure my nations leaders do the same, make sure they raise my taxes...and then in 2 years the country we're sending boatloads of cash on will bomb our embassy or something and we'll go spend even more to fuck them up royaly. Seriously, i hope the middle east drops off the face of the fucking planet. Whod miss it?


Me, cradle of civiization and all.

So yeah, I'm a stupid American who can not possibly understand Jihad and the oh so complex problems buuuut

Strength. This is respected no matter what culture we are talking about. We need to show true strength. The Middle East in general is living only a few years after the last Crusade. We really can not relate to them at all, just too different. So stop trying to relate. You fuck with us, we kill you and everything you care about.

On the flipside, we disengage from those people. Financial aid mainly. Include Israel, no further aid for any of them. I do not have any problem with Israel, they just need to take care of themselves. The end.

[weknowhowtolive]

Me, cradle of civiization and all.

So yeah, I'm a stupid American who can not possibly understand Jihad and the oh so complex problems buuuut

Strength. This is respected no matter what culture we are talking about. We need to show true strength. The Middle East in general is living only a few years after the last Crusade. We really can not relate to them at all, just too different. So stop trying to relate. You fuck with us, we kill you and everything you care about.

On the flipside, we disengage from those people. Financial aid mainly. Include Israel, no further aid for any of them. I do not have any problem with Israel, they just need to take care of themselves. The end.Here fucking here.

[Blue Blood]

Isolationalism
It's coming!:biggrin:

[WBC]

Isolationalism
It's coming!:biggrin:
as soon as you get a government motivated by concern for its people rather than business you'll get your wish.....

[Hostilesouthern]

Isolationalism
It's coming!:biggrin:


Not isolationalsim, just a change of course with that wasp's nest.

[King of all Buffets]

as soon as you get a government motivated by concern for its people rather than business you'll get your wish.....

it'll never happen

[WBC]

it'll never happen
I dunno.... I think people may be finally gettin sick of their country bein run for the benefit of a very few.... especially when you're sacrificing your sons, brothers, fathers to protect those financial interests.... sacrifices the likes of Bush and co., and lets not forget no-spine Blair, are not prepared to make themselves...

[WBC]

on a side note.... with every post my chances of ever getting back into the States decrease... meh.....

[King of all Buffets]

on a side note.... with every post my chances of ever getting back into the States decrease... meh.....


Its all part of your master plan to raise your daughter on Irish soil.:biggrin:

[WBC]

Its all part of your master plan to raise your daughter on Irish soil.:biggrin:
shhhh... say nothing haha....

[weknowhowtolive]

on a side note.... with every post my chances of ever getting back into the States decrease... meh.....

Its ok...we dont want your kind dissin on our fishin.

[militarymite]

Me, cradle of civiization and all.

So yeah, I'm a stupid American who can not possibly understand Jihad and the oh so complex problems buuuut

Strength. This is respected no matter what culture we are talking about. We need to show true strength. The Middle East in general is living only a few years after the last Crusade. We really can not relate to them at all, just too different. So stop trying to relate. You fuck with us, we kill you and everything you care about.

On the flipside, we disengage from those people. Financial aid mainly. Include Israel, no further aid for any of them. I do not have any problem with Israel, they just need to take care of themselves. The end.
Disengage financialy? Ha! That will never happen as long as we and the rest of the industrial nations of the west continue to depend on the mideast for oil. We buy Iranian oil, they buy nuclear reactors, make rockets for hezbollah to fire at Israel, and give $1200 to each Lebanese family to rebuild their shattered homes in the name of sheik Nasrallah. Not to mention whatever Iran can do to keep Iraq fucked up by supporting the Shia. I believe these people have us over a "barrel" so to speak.

[Hostilesouthern]

ot used. M.A.D.D. has it's merits of course. I'm just so sick of

HA! Ok take a second and look at this fuck up. Mothers Against Drunk Driving has nothing to do with Mutually Assured Destruction.

Sorry, no sleep past few nights.

[LeftWingScum]

Yeah, FOX News live just reported he didn't think the kidnapping would lead to a war. These are the saviors of the muslim world?

well yeah, troops are taken prisoner all the time when they cross into enemy territory. considering no "kidnapping" took place but instead they took israeli troops who crossed over into lebanon, they knew israel was biding their time until an excuse came along, but they didn't know when it would be.

[LeftWingScum]

Include Israel, no further aid for any of them. I do not have any problem with Israel, they just need to take care of themselves. The end.

the massive welfare project called israel isn't ending anytime soon.

[Cuchulainn]

Seriously, i hope the middle east drops off the face of the fucking planet. Whod miss it?
Well, for one, my car would miss the Mid-East. Until we somehow lower or eliminate our dependence on foreign oil (not likely any time soon), we will continue to care about the region and its stability. Which sucks, considering they don't seem to be interested in becoming stable or becoming decent trading partners/members of the global community.

On a completely different note: I'm still amused by how Moslems define victory. It was once again on full display in the article at the beginning of this thread.

"850 militants and civilians died in Israeli bombardments and land attacks, while Hezbollah rockets and fighters killed at least 157 Israeli civilians and soldiers. Estimates of the cost of repairing damage to Lebanese buildings, roads and infrastructure run into the billions of dollars.
...

While Nasrallah claimed victory over Israel when the ceasefire took hold..."

Moslems can stand in the rubble of a destroyed nation, after having taken ten to one KIA ratio, and still claim victory with a straight face! Ha! Someone explained this to me once, but I forgot how it works, so if anybody out there is familiar with this little cultural quirk, please explain it to me.

[militarymite]

They stood up to the great satan (Israel and US). Hezbollah is still in place in Lebannon. Nasrallah is still alive. Osama bin Laden is still alive. Arabs killed Israelis. Israel was never able to completely stop Hezbollah rockets from being successfully fired into Israel. The Imans said they won. It does'nt take much for arabs do convince themselves of something they truly want to believe. They are a proud people. The fact that they were damaged so badly reenforces the belief that they are always the victim. It takes them closer to martyrdom and to them that is sexy.

[shawn P]

well yeah, troops are taken prisoner all the time when they cross into enemy territory. considering no "kidnapping" took place but instead they took israeli troops who crossed over into lebanon, they knew israel was biding their time until an excuse came along, but they didn't know when it would be.
Really?? how do you know shit for brains. Or is this yet another thing you have pulled out of your ass?

[LeftWingScum]

Really?? how do you know shit for brains. Or is this yet another thing you have pulled out of your ass?

considering each and every media report (not just the mythical left wing concoctions i haven't located yet) was that the soldiers crossed over into lebanon before they were taken prisoner/kidnapped, i'm going to have to say i didn't pull this out of my ass. if it makes it easier for you to support israel thinking they were kidnapped, ok. to me, that's not a kidnapping if those people weren't allowed to cross over the border.

[steelcityskin]

Muslims just want the west to leave them the fuck alone, its no coincidence that the more we become involved in instituting our brand of democracy in the middle east, the more they act out against the west. I am not Justifying the actions of terrorists, but at least do your homework and realize that the whole issue is a hell of alot deeper then "all muslims hate us all and want to kill us".

are you insane? for real. let's just say we "leave them alone". do you honestly think they'd stop harboring hate for us? why do you constantly defend these cowards?

[E4 jon]

I think there are alot of similarities between the struggle in Northern Ireland against British rule and the situation in the Middle east. I'm not saying it's right but I can see why it is happening.
Expand your theory of similarities to prove your point, that at the moment I am dumbstruck with for its sheer crassness.

Northern Ireland - A percentage of the population want a united Ireland. A percentage of the population do not.

The Middle East - who wants what, how, when and why? Exactly what is the struggle? How did it come about?

The only way NI went global was when bombers popped over to the US to do a bit of shopping.

The 'War on Terror' & its predecessor The 'Jihad World Cup' has been global for a long time and certainly before 9/11.

Please try and justify your thoughts on the similarities. Both involve humans?

[siobahn]

Please try and justify your thoughts on the similarities. Both involve humans?i'm sure the guy (aka arnhem) would dazzle us all with his boundless wisdom on this topic, except that he's banned. :frown:

[LeftWingScum]

are you insane? for real. let's just say we "leave them alone". do you honestly think they'd stop harboring hate for us? why do you constantly defend these cowards?

how can you ask that question? you KNOW why we're hated. you don't even have to know the exact reason; it's because in their minds we did something to them, just like anyone else hates someone, it's because in their mind, that person did something to them. if people are left to their own devices, they have no reason to go after someone who's left them alone. it isn't even about the middle east, or terrorism, it's just fucking simple logic...you can apply it to ANYTHING and it always works.

just out of curiosity, do you have one of those "terrorist hunting liscense" on your pickup truck? i love seeing those things.

[weknowhowtolive]

how can you ask that question? you KNOW why we're hated. you don't even have to know the exact reason; it's because in their minds we did something to them, just like anyone else hates someone, it's because in their mind, that person did something to them. if people are left to their own devices, they have no reason to go after someone who's left them alone. it isn't even about the middle east, or terrorism, it's just fucking simple logic...you can apply it to ANYTHING and it always works.

just out of curiosity, do you have one of those "terrorist hunting liscense" on your pickup truck? i love seeing those things.So the fat kid that doesnt do anything to anyone in school but gets made fun of constantly, the herbavor in nature that does nothing to the carnivor but becomes food anyway...all these are just weird exceptions to your made up rule?

You think if we left the middle east alone they would leave us alone?! You're not THAT dumb. You need to take a psych class dude.

[LeftWingScum]

So the fat kid that doesnt do anything to anyone in school but gets made fun of constantly, the herbavor in nature that does nothing to the carnivor but becomes food anyway...all these are just weird exceptions to your made up rule?

You think if we left the middle east alone they would leave us alone?! You're not THAT dumb. You need to take a psych class dude.

try this...tell me what reason they would have for going after us if we did "leave them alone". if you're going to disregard logic fine, i can't force you to, but at least acknowledge that they require a reason.

[weknowhowtolive]

try this...tell me what reason they would have for going after us if we did "leave them alone". if you're going to disregard logic fine, i can't force you to, but at least acknowledge that they require a reason.Well, first you have to actually know what logic means. If you did, youd know that their reasons for the wars they have fought for the past thousand years have been illogical. Youd also know that their problem with us in the past has also been illogical. You cant just use the word logic Craig. Logic is a science, which means you have to actually post the principles as to why what you called logic, is in fact logical.

If they have no reason for going after us, and what they are doing is illogical to begin with, there is no logic for me to disregard.

[King of all Buffets]

are you insane? for real. let's just say we "leave them alone". do you honestly think they'd stop harboring hate for us? why do you constantly defend these cowards?


Dont be so small minded, to think that the west actions in the middle east has nothing to do with their attitude towards us is idiotic..... Stop trying to make every brown man a villain

[Hostilesouthern]

Dont be so small minded, to think that the west actions in the middle east has nothing to do with their attitude towards us is idiotic..... Stop trying to make every brown man a villain


I'll play, say we (America) pull out of Iraq...over the next seven weeks, just up and leave. Say we officially withdrawl support from Israel, say in 2 months. Say we close down bases in Saudi Arabia, all over the region, and leave that shithole.

What do you think would happen?

[King of all Buffets]

I'll play, say we (America) pull out of Iraq...over the next seven weeks, just up and leave. Say we officially withdrawl support from Israel, say in 2 months. Say we close down bases in Saudi Arabia, all over the region, and leave that shithole.

What do you think would happen?

they would probably have a full scale war with Israel and also countries in that reagion would vie for power......a couple of civil wars and new dictatorships and religious theocracies would pop up.

Radical Islam would concentrate on the internal power struggle of the region and at the war with Israel. How many years and how many lives are we willing to spend in Iraq and Afganistan?

My main point is that in this whole disscusion of global politicsm it silly to say that the wests involvement in the middle east for the past 50 years has nothing to do with the way in which they view us.

[Hostilesouthern]

they would probably have a full scale war with Israel and also countries in that reagion would vie for power......a couple of civil wars and new dictatorships and religious theocracies would pop up.

Radical Islam would concentrate on the internal power struggle of the region and at the war with Israel. How many years and how many lives are we willing to spend in Iraq and Afganistan?

My main point is that in this whole disscusion of global politicsm it silly to say that the wests involvement in the middle east for the past 50 years has nothing to do with the way in which they view us.


How do you see the dictates of Sharia law factoring in? Since it's an agressive, alien culture consuming idealogy.

[King of all Buffets]

How do you see the dictates of Sharia law factoring in? Since it's an agressive, alien culture consuming idealogy.


Over here? or there?..... I think the recent inclusion of Sharia Law in Canada is beyond stupid....allowing any community to govern itself and have it own justice system is unacceptable... We have canadian laws and government and that should superceed everything else. As for Sharia law in the middle east, i belive that it there right to govern there people however they please, even if they do it in a way that we find deplorable.....if they want to chop off people heads and live perpetually in the middle ages then good for them.

[Hostilesouthern]

Over here? or there?..... I think the recent inclusion of Sharia Law in Canada is beyond stupid....allowing any community to govern itself and have it own justice system is unacceptable... We have canadian laws and government and that should superceed everything else. As for Sharia law in the middle east, i belive that it there right to govern there people however they please, even if they do it in a way that we find deplorable.....if they want to chop off people heads and live perpetually in the middle ages then good for them.


According to Sharia law, it must be worldwide. Over there becomes over here.

[King of all Buffets]

According to Sharia law, it must be worldwide. Over there becomes over here.

well to bad for them...... Our country, our rules! Within our borders we should not allow it and make everone that want to live under that umbrella know that they are more then welcome to move back to country that practices that.

[Hostilesouthern]

well to bad for them...... Our country, our rules! Within our borders we should not allow it and make everone that want to live under that umbrella know that they are more then welcome to move back to country that practices that.

Not trying to argue but illustrate a point that Sharia law does nto allow peaceful co-exist with other cultures. The Pope of the Muslim world, Ayatollah Komeini, said just that to the student uprising in 1979.

[King of all Buffets]

Not trying to argue but illustrate a point that Sharia law does nto allow peaceful co-exist with other cultures. The Pope of the Muslim world, Ayatollah Komeini, said just that to the student uprising in 1979.

Ok but that is just a piece of the puzzle......not the sum reason for all the radical islamic violence in the world. Do you honestly think that we never gave them a single reason to hate us?

[Hostilesouthern]

Ok but that is just a piece of the puzzle......not the sum reason for all the radical islamic violence in the world. Do you honestly think that we never gave them a single reason to hate us?


In my view, if I step on your foot and you want to hit my kid, I don't give a shit that I stepped on your foot. I will make sure you can unable to hurt me and mine, even if I "deserve" it.

So sure, but does not matter now.

Some quotes from the Supreme leader-

"In Islam, the legislative power and competence to establish laws belong exclusively to God Almighty"

"Christian, Jewish and Baha'i missionary centers are spread in Tehran to deceive people and to lead them away from the teachings and principles of religion. Isn't it a duty to destroy these centers?"

[King of all Buffets]

In my view, if I step on your foot and you want to hit my kid, I don't give a shit that I stepped on your foot. I will make sure you can unable to hurt me and mine, even if I "deserve" it.

So sure, but does not matter now.

Some quotes from the Supreme leader-

"In Islam, the legislative power and competence to establish laws belong exclusively to God Almighty"

"Christian, Jewish and Baha'i missionary centers are spread in Tehran to deceive people and to lead them away from the teachings and principles of religion. Isn't it a duty to destroy these centers?"


so they do and say crazy shit.....the west deciedes whose allowed to have nukes and we institute and topple governments that dont suit our need.... I am in totall agreement with you about the danger that the middle east is, but seriously how long are we going to paint ourselves as the victims in all of this?

[Vitnir]

Is it the time to turn the bowl over?

[LastRites]

try this...tell me what reason they would have for going after us if we did "leave them alone". if you're going to disregard logic fine, i can't force you to, but at least acknowledge that they require a reason.
they would probably have a full scale war with Israel and also countries in that reagion would vie for power......a couple of civil wars and new dictatorships and religious theocracies would pop up.

Radical Islam would concentrate on the internal power struggle of the region and at the war with Israel. How many years and how many lives are we willing to spend in Iraq and Afganistan?

My main point is that in this whole disscusion of global politicsm it silly to say that the wests involvement in the middle east for the past 50 years has nothing to do with the way in which they view us.

I agree. What will become of all this...is the same scenario as it happened in Vienna in 1683. Its life.

[King of all Buffets]

I agree. What will become of all this...is the same scenario as it happened in Vienna in 1683. Its life.

In fact i think maybe that reagion needs a couple hundred years of bloodshed and civil wars to sort its shit out.

[LeftWingScum]

I'll play, say we (America) pull out of Iraq...over the next seven weeks, just up and leave. Say we officially withdrawl support from Israel, say in 2 months. Say we close down bases in Saudi Arabia, all over the region, and leave that shithole.

What do you think would happen?

the region would band together, take out israel, and we'd finally be free of foreign terrorists.

[shawn P]

the region would band together, take out israel, and we'd finally be free of foreign terrorists.
Even if the US cut ties with Israel, they would still kick the shit out of the arabs(like they'v e done in every one of their wars), and hypocrites like yourself would still point the finger at Israel for being the aggressor. So pretty much the status quo would maintain.

[King of all Buffets]

the region would band together, take out israel, and we'd finally be free of foreign terrorists.

........ha ha ha what a stupid thing to say, you right they would take out Israel(or try to) but i doubt its the last we would see of foriegn terrorists.