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Beaverseatwood21
08-30-2006, 01:19 AM
this question is directed more to the people who live in Japan. I was just wondering how hard it is for a westerner to go to a traditional horimoto artist and go through with it. are there special stipulations? im not going to Japan or anything. just asking out of plain curiosity
PUNISHER
08-30-2006, 01:22 AM
I'd like to know too cuz I'd like to get some work done.
Mr.Hoon, paging Mr.Hoon please? You should just visit Hoon when you're there, I'm sure he's got the hookup...
Tokyohoon
08-30-2006, 01:47 AM
Pun, you're planning to stay for a while, so for you, easy.
Beavers - Anyone can get it done, they need to be prepared to stay for months and bring LOTS of money.
Most of the trad artists work in 1-2 hour sessions only, and a sleeve, for example, takes 5-10 sessions or more, and they have to be spaced a couple weeks apart.
And for reference: Horimono is an academic term, not generally used by normal people. The correct word is irezumi, and if you're speaking in English, the correct words are "traditional Japanese tattoo."
Beaverseatwood21
08-30-2006, 01:56 AM
Pun, you're planning to stay for a while, so for you, easy.
Beavers - Anyone can get it done, they need to be prepared to stay for months and bring LOTS of money.
Most of the trad artists work in 1-2 hour sessions only, and a sleeve, for example, takes 5-10 sessions or more, and they have to be spaced a couple weeks apart.
And for reference: Horimono is an academic term, not generally used by normal people. The correct word is irezumi, and if you're speaking in English, the correct words are "traditional Japanese tattoo."
thanks for the heads up. sorry boutthe term, i jsut heard calling it Irezumi was only referring to Yakuza. but then again what do i know?? im not in japan.
GApeachSkingirl
08-30-2006, 02:50 AM
This woman that worked at the gas station down the street from my parents' house has a HUGE ASS back piece from the base of her neck to the top of her asscrack all done like that. I guess she used to live in Japan and her husband had Yukuza (sp?) connections.
It looked fucking badass though.
Tokyohoon
08-30-2006, 03:41 AM
Ummm.... the yaks don't control the tattooing industry here. Most tattooists won't touch yakuza folk.
Olde-E Fever
08-30-2006, 04:00 AM
And for reference: Horimono is an academic term, not generally used by normal people. The correct word is irezumi, and if you're speaking in English, the correct words are "traditional Japanese tattoo."
Hehe, but it doesn't sound as cool in English!
Tokyohoon
08-30-2006, 08:30 AM
Hehe - trust me, when you're speaking to a person who actually speaks Japanese, it sounds better that way ;)
Ummm.... the yaks don't control the tattooing industry here. Most tattooists won't touch yakuza folk.
Again, form a point of complete ignorance, does that even come up for you? Don't they have their own artists?
scottishmark
08-30-2006, 09:43 AM
There's normally one or two artist who in such words.. is licensed to give out their signature tatts........
Most artist stay clear of giving out gang tatts... the rest is common sense..
scottishmark
08-30-2006, 09:47 AM
This woman that worked at the gas station down the street from my parents' house has a HUGE ASS back piece from the base of her neck to the top of her asscrack all done like that. I guess she used to live in Japan and her husband had Yukuza (sp?) connections.
It looked fucking badass though.
I thought the world was getting away from the Idea that people with tattoo's are gang related.......
It's just art, nothing sinister just art........
pxscooterskin
08-30-2006, 10:07 AM
I thought the world was getting away from the Idea that people with tattoo's are gang related.......
It's just art, nothing sinister just art........
And that's a shame in a way. I don't mean the Yakuza stuff. But when I first started getting tattooed it meant you were an outsider. You were out of step. It was to quote the mark of Cain.
Now... well every fuckers got them. That's great for the artists, and I don't begrudge them anything, especially a living. But tatts are now a fashion accessory something to tick off the list...
scottishmark
08-30-2006, 10:15 AM
And that's a shame in a way. I don't mean the Yakuza stuff. But when I first started getting tattooed it meant you were an outsider. You were out of step. It was to quote the mark of Cain.
Now... well every fuckers got them. That's great for the artists, and I don't begrudge them anything, especially a living. But tatts are now a fashion accessory something to tick off the list...
Just get loads of them and keep on being an outsider.... fashion accessory's are for twats that spend half they're life looking through shop windows the more tatts you get the more of an outsider you will remain. Viva the Outsider Revolution.
Just get loads of them and keep on being an outsider.... fashion accessory's are for twats that spend half they're life looking through shop windows the more tatts you get the more of an outsider you will remain. Viva the Outsider Revolution.
And all Heil Fawad!
Tokyohoon
08-30-2006, 10:26 AM
Again, form a point of complete ignorance, does that even come up for you? Don't they have their own artists?
Exactly - and the younger guys aren't allowed to get them anymore either. Most sinister guy I ever tatted up was a collections agent for a (legal) consumer loans company. Creepy bastard, but still not a yak.
And that's a shame in a way. I don't mean the Yakuza stuff. But when I first started getting tattooed it meant you were an outsider. You were out of step. It was to quote the mark of Cain.
It's still like that in Japan - more so if you're heavily tattooed.
I can'T use public baths, gyms, swimming pools, some hotels, pretty much barred from most respectable jobs...
Hmmm... what does the mark of Cain look like anyhow, might make a cool tat. :)
pxscooterskin
08-30-2006, 10:41 AM
It's still like that in Japan - more so if you're heavily tattooed.
I can'T use public baths, gyms, swimming pools, some hotels, pretty much barred from most respectable jobs...
I've seen that documented. I suppose there's outside and outside. Still, when I got my job now, I did't roll up my sleeves until I passed my probation period. That was a long year.
Hmmm... what does the mark of Cain look like anyhow, might make a cool tat. :)
I was misquoted an old tatt book by Gippi Rondinella - The Sign Upon Cain. Took it's name from Genesis 4, 13-15.
4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a sign upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
But yeah, that would be cool
Exactly - and the younger guys aren't allowed to get them anymore either. Most sinister guy I ever tatted up was a collections agent for a (legal) consumer loans company. Creepy bastard, but still not a yak.
It's still like that in Japan - more so if you're heavily tattooed.
I can'T use public baths, gyms, swimming pools, some hotels, pretty much barred from most respectable jobs...
Hmmm... what does the mark of Cain look like anyhow, might make a cool tat. :)
i believe it looks a little something like this...
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f289/oz-tartan/fawad.jpg
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