Don't Forget To Report Terrorist Plans You Overhear

[LeftWingScum]

especially when it's the president!

http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/12051804.html

[Verv]

Holy shit, how does a random, off-hand comment made by the Pres like three years ago be relavent?

Besides, its heresay...

I think this says more about liberals than it does about Pres. Bush.

[LeftWingScum]

Holy shit, how does a random, off-hand comment made by the Pres like three years ago be relavent?

Besides, its heresay...

I think this says more about liberals than it does about Pres. Bush.

it's not really relevant, it's just amusing, and it again shows that W isn't the evil son of satan he's made out to be, but rather just an idiot goofball who's been out to lunch his whole adult life.

[Tokyohoon]

Verv, meet Left Wing Scum.

By all means, pick an argument. Enjoy!

[LeftWingScum]

Verv, meet Left Wing Scum.

By all means, pick an argument. Enjoy!

and there are many, many to choose from...i'm really not picky. :biggrin:

[thisistheuproar]

it's not really relevant, it's just amusing, and it again shows that W isn't the evil son of satan he's made out to be, but rather just an idiot goofball who's been out to lunch his whole adult life.

That's the same thing I tell people all the time about Bush. He's not evil... He's just a dumbass fratboy.

[Acari Rotter]

It's written too much like satire to be real. Then again, that's what I said when Mel Gibson was busted.

[LeftWingScum]

That's the same thing I tell people all the time about Bush. He's not evil... He's just a dumbass fratboy.

you don't even have to be bright to realize this. someone as out of touch with reality as he is is not running a country, much less the most important country in the world. we all know who is running things, we all know who the truly evil, despicable people are. bush was chosen as the figurehead because he's a loveable, fuzzy goofball people could trust. that's all.

[Verv]

I do not buy the argument that Pres. Bush is an idiot. I never have. You can cite really superficial things like him being only the second President ever to hold a Masters (the only more qualified Pres. was Pres. Woodrow Wilson, former Professor) and being a veritable businessman.

But aside from that, if you remember the 2004 elections there was some good journalistic investigation by Newsweek (the only good thing they have ever done) which went back and interviewed assorted college buddies of the two major candidates. What they said about Pres. Bush was never anything about 'stupid' or 'goofy,' rather he came off as being similar to a normal guy who never studied yet managed to pull off decent grades considering he was at Yale, always lounging around the dorms.

Surprisingly: he was known to be open minded. An open homosexual that lived in his dorms was once being made fun of publicly and Bush was the only guy to say anything back.

I mean really, if he is so stupid you would think there would be a plethora of sources on the issue as opposed to random heresay taken out of context.

[E4 jon]

I do not buy the argument that Pres. Bush is an idiot. I never have.

At the risk of upsetting those who voted for him, the plethora of books released that make money out of his phopars say otherwise. 'Bushism' will probably now enter the Oxford English Dictionary. Well done George W, a place in history to be proud of at last.

[Verv]

At the risk of upsetting those who voted for him, the plethora of books released that make money out of his phopars say otherwise. 'Bushism' will probably now enter the Oxford English Dictionary. Well done George W, a place in history to be proud of at last.


The guy gives speeches and answers questions almost daily. I think we would all be bound to make mistakes.

Do you really think that you could do that much better?

[tousunis]

I do not buy the argument that Pres. Bush is an idiot.

What arguement? Most people don't argue the obvious.

[Acari Rotter]

I have to admit I sort of agree with Verv. However, he was a pretty lousy businessman, and it probably wasn't hard for him to get a Master's considering his dad was president. He was about as normal a guy as JFK was.

[thisistheuproar]

The guy gives speeches and answers questions almost daily. I think we would all be bound to make mistakes.

Do you really think that you could do that much better?

He's an idiot in that's he's inarticulate, out-of-touch, and unfit for the job. I don't necessarily think that he's completely unintelligent.

He makes speeches and answers questions all the time, yes. But he doesn't write them. They pay debate experts and writers TONS of money to write his speeches for him, and he still fucks them up, when all he has to do is check his earpiece, read the teleprompter, or look at some notes on the podium. I'm not saying I'd be a brilliant president, either, but I also don't have any desire to become one. And I have the freedom to dissent because I live in the States, so I'll go ahead and exercise that right. The Newsweek report was probably just a puff campaign to bring up Bush's approval rating among the lefties and moderates. In May of 2004, during his campaign for reelection, his approval rating was only 46%.

The one thing that I do admire about George Bush is that he takes whatever course of action that he and his advisors and money backers think is right, regardless of whether or not they have the popular opinion. I wouldn't necessarily call that democracy, unfortunately, but at least he seems to have a purpose and a drive, although I don't think it's a noble one (rather than Kerry jumping issues, or just being a weak-willed bitch).

I didn't vote for him, and I don't support him, but that doesn't mean I'm not American or unpatriotic.

[E4 jon]

The guy gives speeches and answers questions almost daily. I think we would all be bound to make mistakes.

Do you really think that you could do that much better?

With a vervitude that would border on the lactitomy compared only to my knowledgomoly of geogrossical impertitoids. In other words folks, yes. Next answer please?

[BleedForYourCause]

Haha, I like how it says destroying the library would destroy "Clinton's legacy with one blow". Doesn't say much for Clinton's legacy, now does it? 8 years in office and his entire legacy consists of a fucking library...

[E4 jon]

Haha, I like how it says destroying the library would destroy "Clinton's legacy with one blow". Doesn't say much for Clinton's legacy, now does it? 8 years in office and his entire legacy consists of a fucking library...

I liked Clinton. he was a gorger, a rogerer and a puker. He was one of us.

[Hostilesouthern]

Sigh, if only Ronald Reagan could be duplicated.

2008 is not showing a great deal of promise for candidates, so far. For the record, I voted for Bush twice. If we had not been attacked in such a manner, I think he would have done just fine, nothing big or exciting. Just trucked along. I have since removed the Bush/Cheney '04 sticker from my auto. Just too much spending and not enough vetos for me to continue to support.

[Hostilesouthern]

I liked Clinton. he was a gorger, a rogerer and a puker. He was one of us.


You mean bad for America? I think so too.

[BleedForYourCause]

Sigh, if only Ronald Reagan could be duplicated.

2008 is not showing a great deal of promise for candidates, so far. For the record, I voted for Bush twice. If we had not been attacked in such a manner, I think he would have done just fine, nothing big or exciting. Just trucked along. I have since removed the Bush/Cheney '04 sticker from my auto. Just too much spending and not enough vetos for me to continue to support.


Agreed...I voted for him twice. I used to say I'd vote for him again too, but now I'm not so sure...I mean compared to his political rivals, he's a saint, and his handling of the war on terror, ect. has been good, in my estimation. But, there are alot of points which I don't like, the spending and lack of vetos being the foremost. Where are you when we need you Ronnie?

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-reagan.gif

[E4 jon]

You mean bad for America? I think so too.
A born poor, working class fast food junky who made something of himself. His influence in brokering a peace in Northern Ireland was crucial. He nearly got there with Arafat as well and almost managed to conjure up the first US federal budget surplus since the 60's. His taste in women to shag on the Oval Office carpet was arguably suspect, but he wasn't a bad man and is still working now with International groups on increased global living standards and religious tolerance.

[Hostilesouthern]

Agreed...I voted for him twice. I used to say I'd vote for him again too, but now I'm not so sure...I mean compared to his political rivals, he's a saint, and his handling of the war on terror, ect. has been good, in my estimation. But, there are alot of points which I don't like, the spending and lack of vetos being the foremost. Where are you when we need you Ronnie?

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-reagan.gif




Thing is, I think he and this admins are fucking up the war as well. I have friends in both of those shitholes, the emails I get piss me off. My buddy Dick, A skin from Texas fighting in Southern Bagdad, tells me the local mosque broadcasts anti-american messages and Jihad messages over their PA. But our guys are unable to do or say anything about it. The strategy is fucked as well. They are merely sending our guys out to get shot at, I get the "logic" behind that but I am sick of our waiting game.

You do not win war using guns loaded with flowers and bunnies.

On the flipside, the locals have been warming up to them, the US is their only protection form the civil unrest and massive murders going on.

I really hate this fucking war.

[Hostilesouthern]

A born poor, working class fast food junky who made something of himself. His influence in brokering a peace in Northern Ireland was crucial. He nearly got there with Arafat as well and almost managed to conjure up the first US federal budget surplus since the 60's. His taste in women to shag on the Oval Office carpet was arguably suspect, but he wasn't a bad man and is still working now with International groups on increased global living standards and religious tolerance.


He balanced the budget by ripping apart our military and intell. He fucked us. I could care less he got blow jobs, hell everyone likes a blow job. Plus the Chinese technology transfer did not help us at all.

I'll give him the Camp David peace accords, more proof the UN is crap. Clinton did more in 1 year for that than the UN ever has. Just goes to show the Palestineans have no interest in peace, any more than Israel does.

[BleedForYourCause]

Thing is, I think he and this admins are fucking up the war as well. I have friends in both of those shitholes, the emails I get piss me off. My buddy Dick, A skin from Texas fighting in Southern Bagdad, tells me the local mosque broadcasts anti-american messages and Jihad messages over their PA. But our guys are unable to do or say anything about it. The strategy is fucked as well. They are merely sending our guys out to get shot at, I get the "logic" behind that but I am sick of our waiting game.

You do not win war using guns loaded with flowers and bunnies.

On the flipside, the locals have been warming up to them, the US is their only protection form the civil unrest and massive murders going on.

I really hate this fucking war.


Yeah, I definantly see where you're coming from...I'm serving at Gitmo right now. We have our hands tied behind our backs...we are basically supposed to let them get away with anything they want, so long as they don't actually hurt one of us. If I fault Bush on anything dealing with the war, it's the fact that he's not tough enough. However, I think that it's more the the liberals and the media to blame for it...he just needs ot stand up to them more.

[Hostilesouthern]

Yeah, I definantly see where you're coming from...I'm serving at Gitmo right now. We have our hands tied behind our backs...we are basically supposed to let them get away with anything they want, so long as they don't actually hurt one of us. If I fault Bush on anything dealing with the war, it's the fact that he's not tough enough. However, I think that it's more the the liberals and the media to blame for it...he just needs ot stand up to them more.


Liberals & the media never scared Reagan. Neither did commies.

[BleedForYourCause]

And that is (part of the reason) why he was the best president in the last 50 years.

[Hostilesouthern]

And that is (part of the reason) why he was the best president in the last 50 years.


YES! I will say this tho, if he had responded properly to the bombing of our Marines in Lebanon, we might not be here now.

If Bush has done nothing else right, he got Libya to play our game. That is pretty huge.

[E4 jon]

And that is (part of the reason) why he was the best president in the last 50 years.

And I believe that things go better with Coke
And the Ayatollah tells a darned good knock knock joke.

[gregtheskin]

Haha, I like how it says destroying the library would destroy "Clinton's legacy with one blow". Doesn't say much for Clinton's legacy, now does it? 8 years in office and his entire legacy consists of a fucking library...

I think it was more like fucking in a library, or the oval office, or anywhere he could for that matter.

[BleedForYourCause]

I think it was more like fucking in a library, or the oval office, or anywhere he could for that matter.

Haha touche.

[Verv]

He's an idiot in that's he's inarticulate, out-of-touch, and unfit for the job. I don't necessarily think that he's completely unintelligent.

He makes speeches and answers questions all the time, yes. But he doesn't write them. They pay debate experts and writers TONS of money to write his speeches for him, and he still fucks them up, when all he has to do is check his earpiece, read the teleprompter, or look at some notes on the podium. I'm not saying I'd be a brilliant president, either, but I also don't have any desire to become one. And I have the freedom to dissent because I live in the States, so I'll go ahead and exercise that right. The Newsweek report was probably just a puff campaign to bring up Bush's approval rating among the lefties and moderates. In May of 2004, during his campaign for reelection, his approval rating was only 46%.

A lot of his speaking is extemporaneous -- he does do interviews, fields questions from the audience, etc. All of his time is not devoted to debating and improving speech, he has a lot on his mind.

I would also think you might get a little nervous once in a while when you know every time you mess up the smallest thing it will be aired on the news and you'll have to endure another week of everybody calling you an idiot.

Newsweek is generally pretty liberal. Not as liberal as Time, but it is certainly no Economist or Wall Street Journal when it comes to conservatism.

The one thing that I do admire about George Bush is that he takes whatever course of action that he and his advisors and money backers think is right, regardless of whether or not they have the popular opinion. I wouldn't necessarily call that democracy, unfortunately, but at least he seems to have a purpose and a drive, although I don't think it's a noble one (rather than Kerry jumping issues, or just being a weak-willed bitch).

I didn't vote for him, and I don't support him, but that doesn't mean I'm not American or unpatriotic.

I do not think it is about his advisors and money backers, I think it is about a legitimate agenda, and not even so much a conservative agenda -- prior to 9/11 some of his main talking points focused on bettering education and AIDS benefits to people in Africa.

Now it is simply about defending the US from future attacks from terrorists as a main focus. I think he has done a good job along with all of the major intelligence directors, they have foiled a lot of plots.

[CondemnedBootBoy]

You do not win war using guns loaded with flowers and bunnies.

Yeah someone tell that to the UN as well, right! :nono:

[LeftWingScum]

Haha, I like how it says destroying the library would destroy "Clinton's legacy with one blow". Doesn't say much for Clinton's legacy, now does it? 8 years in office and his entire legacy consists of a fucking library...

better to be ineffective and lacking in results and progress than to have a massively detrimental effect on america and the whole world.

[LeftWingScum]

Sigh, if only Ronald Reagan could be duplicated.

does it upset you at all that he tripled the debt and makes this administration look like they're hoarding their money, being big on fiscal responsibility and all?

and please don't be snide yet again, i'm asking you a legitimate question.

[LeftWingScum]

Where are you when we need you Ronnie?

i think maybe all the victims of the terrorist death squads he backed and the victims of the opressive, murderous regimes he supported/installed are having some fun with him right now.

[BleedForYourCause]

... not even so much a conservative agenda -- prior to 9/11 some of his main talking points focused on bettering education and AIDS benefits to people in Africa.


This is actually one of my biggest problems with him...he's not conservative enough. I'm sick and fucking tired of playing an away game, where we have to defend our people by showing how liberal they actually are. Fuck that. I want a true blue (red?) conservative, and I want to not have to defend them based on their more liberal talking points. Bettering education? Great, but where is that in the Constitution? AIDS benifits to Africa? A noble cause, but I fail to see how my tax dollars should be spent there.

[shawn P]

does it upset you at all that he tripled the debt and makes this administration look like they're hoarding their money, being big on fiscal responsibility and all?

and please don't be snide yet again, i'm asking you a legitimate question.
His spending spree ended the fucking cold war and liberated half of europe.

[weknowhowtolive]

A lot of his speaking is extemporaneous -- he does do interviews, fields questions from the audience, etc. All of his time is not devoted to debating and improving speech, he has a lot on his mind.

I would also think you might get a little nervous once in a while when you know every time you mess up the smallest thing it will be aired on the news and you'll have to endure another week of everybody calling you an idiot.

Newsweek is generally pretty liberal. Not as liberal as Time, but it is certainly no Economist or Wall Street Journal when it comes to conservatism.



I do not think it is about his advisors and money backers, I think it is about a legitimate agenda, and not even so much a conservative agenda -- prior to 9/11 some of his main talking points focused on bettering education and AIDS benefits to people in Africa.

Not it is simply about defending the US from future attacks from terrorists as a main focus. I think he has done a good job along with all of the major intelligence directors, they have foiled a lot of plots.Not that im defending any side of this arguement, cuz im really not, but id be nervous if i all of a sudden had to do brain surgery....which is one of the reasons id be unfit for the job. If you have an important job and it makes you so nervous you cant talk right, when one of hte only jobs people actually notice you doing is speaking to the public, you might wanna consider a career change.

[Cuchulainn]

Sadly, I also voted for Bush twice. The first time because I hated Gore for the lying sack he was (and that he said that he thought it was a good idea to use the military for nation building, which is a real laugh now). The second time I voted for him because my impression of Kerry was that he was a pansy that would invite attack, and switching commanders halfway through a war is unwise.

Whenever I spoke to Kerry supporters in NYC (and there were plenty), all they could do was attack Bush, they didn't actually know anything about Kerry. Perhaps, since it was NYC, they just expected everyone to vote Democrat, so they felt secure smearing Bush rather than supporting Kerry.

I used to believe that a stupid president is ideal, a do nothing president who was just smart enough to surround himself with qualified experts to make important decisions. Now I have to amend that. In peacetime, a president who spent all his time on his ranch in Texas or in Camp David would be my ideal. Now that I've seen the results of an absentee president in wartime, I confess I don't like it one bit.

Being a public figure and public speaking is what he's there for. It's his job. His public speaking skills are poor at best, and when he's on a podium with Tony Blair, I would contend that it amounts to a national embarrassment.

[BleedForYourCause]

Sadly, I also voted for Bush twice. The first time because I hated Gore for the lying sack he was (and that he said that he thought it was a good idea to use the military for nation building, which is a real laugh now). The second time I voted for him because my impression of Kerry was that he was a pansy that would invite attack, and switching commanders halfway through a war is unwise.

Whenever I spoke to Kerry supporters in NYC (and there were plenty), all they could do was attack Bush, they didn't actually know anything about Kerry. Perhaps, since it was NYC, they just expected everyone to vote Democrat, so they felt secure smearing Bush rather than supporting Kerry.

I used to believe that a stupid president is ideal, a do nothing president who was just smart enough to surround himself with qualified experts to make important decisions. Now I have to amend that. In peacetime, a president who spent all his time on his ranch in Texas or in Camp David would be my ideal. Now that I've seen the results of an absentee president in wartime, I confess I don't like it one bit.

Being a public figure and public speaking is what he's there for. It's his job. His public speaking skills are poor at best, and when he's on a podium with Tony Blair, I would contend that it amounts to a national embarrassment.


Well, I don't want to come across as a Bush basher, because that is the furthest thing from the truth. I like Bush alot, and the things I like far outweigh the things I don't like...I'm just airing out some of the dirty laundry that has piled up recently. Gore and Kerry are so terrible, I don't in any way regret voting for Bush. And if, it was him against, say, Hillary, there is no question who I would vote for. I support him, and I still sport the "Support President Bush and Our Troops" bumper sticker. I was just saying that maybe, just maybe, he's not all I thought we would be.

[Cuchulainn]

Well, I don't want to come across as a Bush basher, because that is the furthest thing from the truth. I like Bush alot, and the things I like far outweigh the things I don't like...I'm just airing out some of the dirty laundry that has piled up recently. Gore and Kerry are so terrible, I don't in any way regret voting for Bush. And if, it was him against, say, Hillary, there is no question who I would vote for. I support him, and I still sport the "Support President Bush and Our Troops" bumper sticker. I was just saying that maybe, just maybe, he's not all I thought we would be.
Looking back, given the choices I think I would still have voted for him, but I don't know for certain. You're right, Gore and Kerry were horrific candidates.

[militarymite]

Looking back, given the choices I think I would still have voted for him, but I don't know for certain. You're right, Gore and Kerry were horrific candidates.
You republican voters seem easily frightened and horrified. I guess that's why Karl Rove is such a great political strategist.

[Cuchulainn]

You republican voters seem easily frightened and horrified. I guess that's why Karl Rove is such a great political strategist.
I'm not a Republican voter, I'm a Libertarian voter, but when there's a presidential candidate that has a good chance of winning that is such a colossal sack of crap, like the last two Democrat candidates, I have little choice but to side with the Republicans.

[BleedForYourCause]

You republican voters seem easily frightened and horrified. I guess that's why Karl Rove is such a great political strategist.

Care to elaborate?

[E4 jon]

Erm, I'm drunk again

[Acari Rotter]

With a vervitude that would border on the lactitomy compared only to my knowledgomoly of geogrossical impertitoids. In other words folks, yes. Next answer please?


That's an awesome word. I'm going to start using it as soon as Verv gets back. What's it mean, or does that even matter?

[LastRites]

That's an awesome word. I'm going to start using it as soon as Verv gets back. What's it mean, or does that even matter?
hahahahaha.....

[E4 jon]

That's an awesome word. I'm going to start using it as soon as Verv gets back. What's it mean, or does that even matter?
I think a Vervit is a small monkey--
vervitude could easily become vervit-dude!

[Verv]

LOL.. this is shit... i am going to come around and everyone is going to say vervitude...

see what I get for posting on WSN? the next shit mutation of my name.

fucking koreans are going to be calling me Burb-a-tude -- god bless their lack of ability in saying the letter V, it has been a year straight of being called Burb and Burbille and I still dont get sick of it.

[Bound Fo' Glory]

it's not really relevant, it's just amusing, and it again shows that W isn't the evil son of satan he's made out to be, but rather just an idiot goofball who's been out to lunch his whole adult life.
Bullshit, he hasn't been out to lunch his whole adult life.....

he was at Happy Hour before he went to lunch....the lunch was just soaking up the booze.

[Hostilesouthern]

does it upset you at all that he tripled the debt and makes this administration look like they're hoarding their money, being big on fiscal responsibility and all?

and please don't be snide yet again, i'm asking you a legitimate question.


Ok, deal.

I think he brilliantly broke the USSR without bombing that country into submission. The amount of lives saved on both sides of the Cold War was worth each cent. I think he dealt the most convincing blow against the neocon desires for war expansion in dealings with outside agression.

Now, if I remember correctly, you dislike him a great deal. Considering he was the best and most effective advocate for the American auto worker/industry in how he reinstalled Protectionist measures against Japan's cheaper auto imports, why do you side to firmly against him. If I recall incorrectly, pardon.

[LeftWingScum]

His spending spree ended the fucking cold war and liberated half of europe.

and put us in such an economic hole that it will eventually be our downfall.

[LeftWingScum]

The first time because I hated Gore for the lying sack he was (and that he said that he thought it was a good idea to use the military for nation building, which is a real laugh now).

...wow...i don't remember him saying that. guess it got forgotten in all the nation building via our military.

[LeftWingScum]

Looking back, given the choices I think I would still have voted for him, but I don't know for certain. You're right, Gore and Kerry were horrific candidates.

gore and kerry would have had much less of an impact, which would have been a great thing. this administration has squandered a projected 10 year 5.6 trillion dollar surplus, turning it into a projected 378 dollar deficit...so far. they've tried to eliminate social security. they've tried to destroy the structure of civil rights and personal freedom. they've tried to legislate homos into second class citizens. they've alienated most of the nations that were our allies. they've put us in more danger from foreign threats than before they took control. they've hoodwinked us into supporting buildups to war with fabricated "evidence". they've kept the truth about 9/11 from us, we STILL don't know the truth because it's censored...and who knows if it would have been prevented had a gore adminitration acted on terrorist intel recieved weeks before the event.

that's just the few that immediately come to mind. i'd much rather have had an administration that had less of a negative effect on the country.

[weknowhowtolive]

and put us in such an economic hole that it will eventually be our downfall.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/National_debt_as_a_%25_of_gdp.jpg

[LeftWingScum]

what is the point of that? that our debt is 60% of our annual GDP?

[weknowhowtolive]

That the debt, except for those amazingly right wing years (sarcasm) during ww2 where the debt skyrocketed its grown mostly praportional to inflation.

[Hostilesouthern]

That the debt, except for those amazingly right wing years (sarcasm) during ww2 where the debt skyrocketed its grown mostly praportional to inflation.


Excellent point, right after WW2 we were at our strongest with manufacturing, very self sufficient, relying on very little imports. The economy boomed. When everyone came home from that war, we had solid jobs for them to come home to, so recovery was not that difficult.

This is the predominate reason to bring the FairTax into play. Invite businesses to return to the US, which would become the largest tax shelter in the world. America runs best when we have a thriving manufacturing base. And it gives us a second layer of security against any sort of embargo.

[E4 jon]

Invite businesses to return to the US, which would become the largest tax shelter in the world. America runs best when we have a thriving manufacturing base. And it gives us a second layer of security against any sort of embargo.

Manufacturing jobs are about pay as much as tax. American workers will require higher pay for a days work than those living in China or India or the Mekon Delta. The biggest reason why manufacturing in first world countries is nowadays 'imported'. I can't see that changing unless the manufacturing requires the highest technology.

[Hostilesouthern]

Manufacturing jobs are about pay as much as tax. American workers will require higher pay for a days work than those living in China or India or the Mekon Delta. The biggest reason why manufacturing in first world countries is nowadays 'imported'. I can't see that changing unless the manufacturing requires the highest technology.


Indeed, I agree yet this does not scare me. Cheap good and labor are just that, cheap. There was a time when American goods could not be compared, I'm not sure what happened to us, we lost that edge.

How does the FairTax affect wages and prices? Americans who produce goods and earn wages must pay significant tax and compliance costs under the current federal income tax. These taxes and costs both reduce after-tax wages and profits and are then passed on to the consumers of those goods and services in the form of price increases. When the FairTax removes income, capital gains, payroll and death taxes, the pre-FairTax prices of these goods and services will fall. The removal of these hidden taxes may also allow wages to rise. Exactly how much prices will fall and wages will rise depends on market forces. For example, in a profession with many jobs and too few to fill them, wages will likely increase more than in fields where there are too many employees and not enough jobs.

Now I am taking this straight from the site, anything other than that would be plagiarism on my part.

How does this affect U.S. competitiveness in foreign trade? Because the FairTax is automatically border adjustable, the 17 percent competitive advantage, on average, of foreign producers is eliminated, immediately boosting U.S. competitiveness overseas. American companies doing business internationally are able to sell their goods at lower prices but at similar margins, and this brings jobs to America.

In addition, U.S. companies with investments or plants abroad bring home overseas profits without the penalty of paying income taxes, thus resulting in more U.S. capital investment.

And at last, imports and domestic production are on a level playing field. Exported goods are not subject to the FairTax, since they are not consumed in the U.S.; but imported goods sold in the U.S. are subject to the FairTax because these products are consumed domestically.


Taxes affect wages of course, the way the taxes are imposed is key.

[E4 jon]

Indeed, I agree yet this does not scare me. Cheap good and labor are just that, cheap. There was a time when American goods could not be compared, I'm not sure what happened to us, we lost that edge.

How does the FairTax affect wages and prices? .
When the FairTax removes income, capital gains, payroll and death taxes....

....is the day I apply for my Green card to work in The States!

[Hostilesouthern]

....is the day I apply for my Green card to work in The States!


it's HUGE uphill fight on this one. Trying to explain that this is a degree of wealth tax while still granting the control of taxation to the taxpayer is ....difficult. The House Resolution has kinks, no doubt about that. All tax plans have kinks, this one is the most forgiving to those living under poverty level, and not geared toward punishing the successful either.

That's all the progressive income tax system is, punishment for upward mobility. Completely Un-American.

In America, two of the fastest growing state economies are Texas and Florida. You guessed it, they replaced the state income tax with a consumption tax. Economist came up with this plan, not politicians.

[LeftWingScum]

since when did you have a problem with "rich" or "wealthy"? you shouldn't have to use "upward mobility".

[shawn P]

and put us in such an economic hole that it will eventually be our downfall.
Hmmm. A bleeding heart liberal crying about spending. Spare me. I guess If Regan ran the budget up spending on welfare programs, instead of dealing with the biggest threat to the US at the time he'd be A.OK in your book.

[Hostilesouthern]

since when did you have a problem with "rich" or "wealthy"? you shouldn't have to use "upward mobility".

Where in that post did you detect that I have a new found problem with wealth?


I notice you did not answer my question, it's ok. I've grown accustom to that.

[LeftWingScum]

Where in that post did you detect that I have a new found problem with wealth?


I notice you did not answer my question, it's ok. I've grown accustom to that.

i'm wondering why you used "upward mobility". it's not a substitution i'd expect from someone who favors the wealthy.

that's the reason i don't answer your questions anymore. you lack intellectual honesty on most political matters.

for instance, the illogical view on the UN burns me when i see it, but i don't try to argue because i know i won't get an honest view on the power of individual nations vs. a combined body of nations to handle world matters. it's not that i doubt your end judgment, it's that i doubt your own reasoning in coming to that conclusion.

[Hostilesouthern]

i'm wondering why you used "upward mobility". it's not a substitution i'd expect from someone who favors the wealthy.

that's the reason i don't answer your questions anymore. you lack intellectual honesty on most political matters.

for instance, the illogical view on the UN burns me when i see it, but i don't try to argue because i know i won't get an honest view on the power of individual nations vs. a combined body of nations to handle world matters. it's not that i doubt your end judgment, it's that i doubt your own reasoning in coming to that conclusion.


Oh that's ok, I'm not all that interested in your answers anyway. All I would really have to do is check out one of those left wing blogs to see where your thoughts are taken from.

No biggie.

[ienjoybeer]

I do not buy the argument that Pres. Bush is an idiot. I never have. You can cite really superficial things like him being only the second President ever to hold a Masters (the only more qualified Pres. was Pres. Woodrow Wilson, former Professor) and being a veritable businessman.

But aside from that, if you remember the 2004 elections there was some good journalistic investigation by Newsweek (the only good thing they have ever done) which went back and interviewed assorted college buddies of the two major candidates. What they said about Pres. Bush was never anything about 'stupid' or 'goofy,' rather he came off as being similar to a normal guy who never studied yet managed to pull off decent grades considering he was at Yale, always lounging around the dorms.

Surprisingly: he was known to be open minded. An open homosexual that lived in his dorms was once being made fun of publicly and Bush was the only guy to say anything back.

I mean really, if he is so stupid you would think there would be a plethora of sources on the issue as opposed to random heresay taken out of context.



Anyone who says Bush is a stupid man...is stupid for thinking so. That drawl is fake... He's an asshole...and he has shitty policy...but, he is by no means dumb. It's just that his appearence is alarmingly goofy....

[weknowhowtolive]

I love Craig Day. Craig runs through, posts some crap in every political thread, accuses everyone of some crap then doesnt come back for another week, at which point everyones forgotten about the conversation.

[Hostilesouthern]

view on the UN burns me when i see it, but i don't try to argue because i know i won't get an honest view on the power of individual nations vs. a combined body of nations to handle world matters. it's not that i doubt your end judgment, it's that i doubt your own reasoning in coming to that conclusion.


http://www.michiganmilitia.com/un/UNpeace.jpg

How about this one, any better?

[LeftWingScum]

Oh that's ok, I'm not all that interested in your answers anyway. All I would really have to do is check out one of those left wing blogs to see where your thoughts are taken from.

No biggie.

honestly, i've never read a left wing blog in my life. you just are unable to counter my arguments.

[LeftWingScum]

I love Craig Day. Craig runs through, posts some crap in every political thread, accuses everyone of some crap then doesnt come back for another week, at which point everyones forgotten about the conversation.

at which point i go through alll the week old topics and reply to all of em.

[King of all Buffets]

honestly, i've never read a left wing blog in my life. you just are unable to counter my arguments.

your such a lightweight, if you hate this place so much by all means leave and never come back.