Buchanan-Tancredo 08

[terrormachine]

There seems to be some folks trying to get this to happen. If every American opposed to illegal immigration and the corporations that hire them voted for this ticket, they'd win in a landslide.

[oldcrow]

There seems to be some folks trying to get this to happen. If every American opposed to illegal immigration and the corporations that hire them voted for this ticket, they'd win in a landslide.
true hoss...but remember that Pat's a RACIST and most Americnas are too busy loadin up at Wal-Mart and keepin up with the Joneses to even realize that a different approach to the presidency is even a fuckin option.......yes, we're doomed...

[terrormachine]

true hoss...but remember that Pat's a RACIST and most Americnas are too busy loadin up at Wal-Mart and keepin up with the Joneses to even realize that a different approach to the presidency is even a fuckin option.......yes, we're doomed...

Was it PT barnum who said "a foool is born every minute?" Well, here, at least 7 or 8 are born every minute. Yeah, we're too busy worrying about abortion and cheerleaders and legislating morality to care about such boring issues as government corruption and the decay of our country.

[terrormachine]

Should've added this..........

www.buchanan.org

[LeftWingScum]

yeah, good luck with that. have fun getting torpedoed by republican and democrat big money donors who benefit from illegals and want them here.

[terrormachine]

yeah, good luck with that. have fun getting torpedoed by republican and democrat big money donors who benefit from illegals and want them here.


True, but it never hurts to speak your beliefs. Remember, the American Revolution started with an idea. Sooner or later, everything will come to a head.

[LeftWingScum]

True, but it never hurts to speak your beliefs. Remember, the American Revolution started with an idea. Sooner or later, everything will come to a head.

of course, i want to see as many (true) opposition parties as are out there. ANY alternative to the monstrosity that is the 1 party system should be welcome to speak their platform.

[thisistheuproar]

of course, i want to see as many (true) opposition parties as are out there. ANY alternative to the monstrosity that is the 1 party system should be welcome to speak their platform.
Yeah, real opposition would be refreshing. No Ross Perots.

[weknowhowtolive]

True, but it never hurts to speak your beliefs. Remember, the American Revolution started with an idea. Sooner or later, everything will come to a head.Are you kidding? Craig would have been against the American Revolution.


Ill vote for Pat.

[Tokyohoon]

Hey, Buchanan has his head screwed on right some of the time, and has it stuck right up his ass some of the time - just like any politician.

I like his takes on immigration, his stance on firearms, and his criticisms of the NAACP and affirmative action.

I do not like, on the other hand, his alarmism about ethnic majority shrinkage, nor his isolationist stance on things like the Kyoto Treaty that require broad global participation to be effective.

He's bang on about the IMF though.

All in all, I do not think the man would make a good president. I would LOVE to see him as house minority leader. There hasn't been a good opposition leader in the higher ranks of the house since Newt Gingrich.

[Blue Blood]

Was it PT barnum who said "a foool is born every minute?" Well, here, at least 7 or 8 are born every minute. Yeah, we're too busy worrying about abortion and cheerleaders and legislating morality to care about such boring issues as government corruption and the decay of our country.
There's a saying in the motorcycle community..."There's an ass for every seat"....

[shawn P]

yeah, good luck with that. have fun getting torpedoed by republican and democrat big money donors who benefit from illegals and want them here.
First smart thing you ever said on this site...

[militarymite]

Rudy Giuliani is edging out Mc Cain in the current polls. I think if the Dems win big in November the GOP is going to look toward more moderate candidates that can actually win and start to distance themselves from the more extreme right. Buchanan has some pretty good points on issues but I don't think he has the IT to be elected president. Buchanan and McCain are so damn old looking and acting, I hope they make it to '08.

[Tokyohoon]

If they field Guiliani in '08 it'll be a sweep. The guy can get a damn near lock on the election just by making a series of speeches at the building site on Ground Zero.

Man - hard to believe that's five years ago on Monday.

[militarymite]

"It's been five years and they can't get just that one hole up in Manhattan fixed." Mayor Ray Nagin, New Orleans.

[terrormachine]

Rudy Giuliani is edging out Mc Cain in the current polls. I think if the Dems win big in November the GOP is going to look toward more moderate candidates that can actually win and start to distance themselves from the more extreme right. Buchanan has some pretty good points on issues but I don't think he has the IT to be elected president. Buchanan and McCain are so damn old looking and acting, I hope they make it to '08.


McCain is cutting his own throat by sponsoring his immigration bill with Ted Kennedy and opening the door to amnesty. Recent polls show 75% of Americans oppose amnesty. Even Kinky Friedmen here in Texas supports putting 10,000 Texas Guard troops on the border, and he's no Pat Buchanan. American citizens are sick of illegals sucking dry the social services of this country and filling up prisons with their gangs. This isn't fringe right wing groups here, this is the general population of this country. There was a march at the state capital last night and again, they were flying the mexican flag. I guess they're incapable of realizing how that pisses everyone off. If a candidate would just stand up like a man and not give two fucks about the "vaunted" hispanic vote, then they would win in a landslide.

[militarymite]

McCain is cutting his own throat by sponsoring his immigration bill with Ted Kennedy and opening the door to amnesty. Recent polls show 75% of Americans oppose amnesty. Even Kinky Friedmen here in Texas supports putting 10,000 Texas Guard troops on the border, and he's no Pat Buchanan. American citizens are sick of illegals sucking dry the social services of this country and filling up prisons with their gangs. This isn't fringe right wing groups here, this is the general population of this country. There was a march at the state capital last night and again, they were flying the mexican flag. I guess they're incapable of realizing how that pisses everyone off. If a candidate would just stand up like a man and not give two fucks about the "vaunted" hispanic vote, then they would win in a landslide.
That's what I think is the most interesting thing in the coming elections. Will Washington's disconnect with the American people be proven at the polling place? Does the Republican party value the latino vote more than their traditional "white" vote? If the prediction that voters will overwhelmingly vote out incumbents this November really change politics in Washington? What effect will it have on on the remainder of the Bush Presidency? If the democrats gain the majority in congress and join together with the president and pass the comprehensive immigration bill, does this mean big business really runs this country? Is it a lose-lose situation to vote for change in Washington over the number one issue, the war in Iraq, only to usher in those same people who are generally pro-amnesty? See, I'm conflicted, we need a plan/strategy to end our military involvement in Iraq. As long as the rebublicans are in power they will follow Bush's failing strategy of staying the course and we will never leave Iraq as long as I am president line. So that leaves the only other choice of voting in the democrats. The democrats are overwhelmingly pro-immigration/amnesty which is just as bad as if not worse than the problem in Iraq for this country. This is a choice that alot of voters in this country are going to be faced with. This conflict is not being mentioned at all in the media. The polls show the majority of voters want a change in direction in Iraq AND are strongly against amnesty for illegal immigrants. I think Kinky is great and I hope he wins in Texas. He is leading in all the polls and I think he is a skillful politician.

[terrormachine]

That's what I think is the most interesting thing in the coming elections. Will Washington's disconnect with the American people be proven at the polling place? Does the Republican party value the latino vote more than their traditional "white" vote? If the prediction that voters will overwhelmingly vote out incumbents this November really change politics in Washington? What effect will it have on on the remainder of the Bush Presidency? If the democrats gain the majority in congress and join together with the president and pass the comprehensive immigration bill, does this mean big business really runs this country? Is it a lose-lose situation to vote for change in Washington over the number one issue, the war in Iraq, only to usher in those same people who are generally pro-amnesty? See, I'm conflicted, we need a plan/strategy to end our military involvement in Iraq. As long as the rebublicans are in power they will follow Bush's failing strategy of staying the course and we will never leave Iraq as long as I am president line. So that leaves the only other choice of voting in the democrats. The democrats are overwhelmingly pro-immigration/amnesty which is just as bad as if not worse than the problem in Iraq for this country. This is a choice that alot of voters in this country are going to be faced with. This conflict is not being mentioned at all in the media. The polls show the majority of voters want a change in direction in Iraq AND are strongly against amnesty for illegal immigrants. I think Kinky is great and I hope he wins in Texas. He is leading in all the polls and I think he is a skillful politician.

To me, it doesn't matter which party is in power. Their both gonna cater to the hispanic lobby cause they're making too much noise. Politics is about money and power and those in politics want to keep that money and power. Ted Kennedy, perfect example. Does anyone truly think he gives a fuck about some dirt poor mexican picking okra for $2 an hour? He just wants the vote of those that hire them or support their cause. Until term limits are implemented, this will continue forever. I say three terms max for the House (6 years) and one term for the Senate (6 years). Hell, I think one should only be allowed to work for the government for a maximum of 10 years in any capacity...federal, state or local.

[Blue Blood]

To me, it doesn't matter which party is in power. Their both gonna cater to the hispanic lobby cause they're making too much noise. Politics is about money and power and those in politics want to keep that money and power. Ted Kennedy, perfect example. Does anyone truly think he gives a fuck about some dirt poor mexican picking okra for $2 an hour? He just wants the vote of those that hire them or support their cause. Until term limits are implemented, this will continue forever. I say three terms max for the House (6 years) and one term for the Senate (6 years). Hell, I think one should only be allowed to work for the government for a maximum of 10 years in any capacity...federal, state or local.
Absolutely right.Cut the snakes head clean off.
You hire illegals? Five years prison,no parole,no exceptions.
Lobbyists? They should no longer exist.
There was a time in this country(esp. pre/post revolutionary days) when volunteering for politics was an honourable thing.And you didn't make a career out of it.
Our forfathers must be up to their eyeballs in vomit.

[terrormachine]

Absolutely right.Cut the snakes head clean off.
You hire illegals? Five years prison,no parole,no exceptions.
Lobbyists? They should no longer exist.
There was a time in this country(esp. pre/post revolutionary days) when volunteering for politics was an honourable thing.And you didn't make a career out of it.
Our forfathers must be up to their eyeballs in vomit.

Correct-a-mundo. I forgot to mention lobbyist. There's a group of folks I wouldn't mind using to help sight my rifle.

[Hostilesouthern]

There seems to be some folks trying to get this to happen. If every American opposed to illegal immigration and the corporations that hire them voted for this ticket, they'd win in a landslide.


So you approve of a theocratic government? Not setting you up for an arguement, I like Buchanan's fever pitch nationalism and solid veiws on China. I do not like his push for government controls on our popuation's personal interactions.

immigration is a huge button but not a primary one. Security above immigration reform is where it's at for me. Meaning shutting down the borders, and setting up a MZ. I'm serious. He needs to get on board with the end of the drug war if he has any desire to stem the tide of illegals.

[terrormachine]

So you approve of a theocratic government? Not setting you up for an arguement, I like Buchanan's fever pitch nationalism and solid veiws on China. I do not like his push for government controls on our popuation's personal interactions.

immigration is a huge button but not a primary one. Security above immigration reform is where it's at for me. Meaning shutting down the borders, and setting up a MZ. I'm serious. He needs to get on board with the end of the drug war if he has any desire to stem the tide of illegals.

I agree about the government control on personal issues. Although I'm personally opposed to abortion, drug use and other hippie "freedoms", it's not my do or die vote. To me, immigration is the number one issue facing this country and the trade deficit/loss of manufacturing jobs is a close second. We cannot survive economically if we keep sinking into debt with Chinese banks daily. One day, they're going to come collect the tab.

And as far as the drug war, it is useless, but don't expect any "mainstream" politicos to favor any type of mass legalization. I say unleash mass quantities of poisoned heroin and meth onto the streets and let the chips fall where they may.

[LeftWingScum]

Their both gonna cater to the hispanic lobby cause they're making too much noise. Politics is about money and power and those in politics want to keep that money and power.

the immigration issue isn't just catering to the hispanic voters. it's more about catering to the big money donors who benefit from illegal labor.

[Tokyohoon]

Absolutely right.Cut the snakes head clean off.
You hire illegals? Five years prison,no parole,no exceptions.
Lobbyists? They should no longer exist.
There was a time in this country(esp. pre/post revolutionary days) when volunteering for politics was an honourable thing.And you didn't make a career out of it.
Our forfathers must be up to their eyeballs in vomit.

Now see, we may have our differences, but sometimes you make a lot of sense too.

May I suggest that attempts at forming a political lobby receive a ten year stretch and a tattoo that says "I love me some kiddies"?

[terrormachine]

the immigration issue isn't just catering to the hispanic voters. it's more about catering to the big money donors who benefit from illegal labor.

That's true on a "behind the scenes" level, but when parading on tv is when the scumbags in Congress show their "compassion" towards the illegal immigration lobby.

[BleedForYourCause]

Yeah, we're too busy worrying about abortion and cheerleaders and legislating morality to care about such boring issues as government corruption and the decay of our country.


Well, the decay of morals in our country is a direct cause of the general decay of our country. Morality CAN be legislated, and in fact is constantly legislated. Law and justice is nothing but the legislation of some morality. The only question is who's. The abortion issue is HUGE, because it relates to the sanctity of human life. If one's right to life is taken away, every other issue is kind of a mute point.

[weknowhowtolive]

That's what I think is the most interesting thing in the coming elections. Will Washington's disconnect with the American people be proven at the polling place? Does the Republican party value the latino vote more than their traditional "white" vote? If the prediction that voters will overwhelmingly vote out incumbents this November really change politics in Washington? What effect will it have on on the remainder of the Bush Presidency? If the democrats gain the majority in congress and join together with the president and pass the comprehensive immigration bill, does this mean big business really runs this country? Is it a lose-lose situation to vote for change in Washington over the number one issue, the war in Iraq, only to usher in those same people who are generally pro-amnesty? See, I'm conflicted, we need a plan/strategy to end our military involvement in Iraq. As long as the rebublicans are in power they will follow Bush's failing strategy of staying the course and we will never leave Iraq as long as I am president line. So that leaves the only other choice of voting in the democrats. The democrats are overwhelmingly pro-immigration/amnesty which is just as bad as if not worse than the problem in Iraq for this country. This is a choice that alot of voters in this country are going to be faced with. This conflict is not being mentioned at all in the media. The polls show the majority of voters want a change in direction in Iraq AND are strongly against amnesty for illegal immigrants. I think Kinky is great and I hope he wins in Texas. He is leading in all the polls and I think he is a skillful politician.

I think something you may be missing is that a lot of non white immigrants who come here LEGALLY vote republican/conservative.

[Scotskin]

Here's my idea for the '08 Presidentail nod.

Hannity/Coulter '08.

Fuck Buchanan....he's too interested in what everyone is saying/doing to/with everyone else. Tancredo...I don't have anything against.

But Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter....that would be a match-up that would definently work well.

[Hostilesouthern]

Here's my idea for the '08 Presidentail nod.

Hannity/Coulter '08.

Fuck Buchanan....he's too interested in what everyone is saying/doing to/with everyone else. Tancredo...I don't have anything against.

But Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter....that would be a match-up that would definently work well.


Uhhh, no thanks. Hannity is fucking annoying and goes only on talking points. Coulter? No fucking way. We have people, Americans, who live here that do not jive with her views on personal relations. Government has no place telling people how to live their lives, as long as they are not harming anyone else's rights or property.

I'm down for Christopher Pense as a VP, not sure who I would like to see as President right now.

[weknowhowtolive]

Haha anne coulter as a VP? Id blow my brains out before living in a country she had any control over. That bitch is a straight up sociopath.

I also dont know who ill vote for for pres, but Art Oliver has my vote for CA Gov.

[Scotskin]

Powell/Rice?

[Hostilesouthern]

Powell/Rice?


Rice is a great Sec. of State, I like to see her stay in that position for the next round. Colin Powell? If he ran, I would blanket this country in flyers.

[beer and loathing]

I'd love it if Powell ran for president, or even vice-president. Rice, no way.

[Scotskin]

Aye, I too would like to see Powell run for Pres. Rice would make a good VP, atleast I think so, also for VP Rick Santorum. He beats the hell outta Dan Quayle.
But aye, if Powell ran, I'd cover my neighborhood in flyers and stickers and such, and my lawn would be adorned with his campaign posters.

Beer_and_loathing...what's wrong with Rice?

(100th post.)

[beer and loathing]

I don't think there's anything wrong with her and I think she's doing a good job in the position she's in, I'm just not sure if there would be someone better suited for the positions of President/Vice President.

That being said, I will keep an open mind in the future if she does choose to run.

[weknowhowtolive]

You're all kidding about Rice, right?

[beer and loathing]

You're all kidding about Rice, right?

I'm not. I'd rather see someone else run, but I will keep an open mind if she does.

[weknowhowtolive]

I'm not. I'd rather see someone else run, but I will keep an open mind if she does.I would never, ever vote for her.

http://www.rice2008.com/

[beer and loathing]

LOL - I was at that site earlier! It didn't change my mind for or against her at all. I had a really negative opinion of her earlier in the year, but for now, I just remain neutral. Besides, this is all just speculation. I still think that someone far better will run.

The only person I could positively say right now that I'd vote for is Colin Powell.

[weknowhowtolive]

LOL - I was at that site earlier! It didn't change my mind for or against her at all. I had a really negative opinion of her earlier in the year, but for now, I just remain neutral. Besides, this is all just speculation. I still think that someone far better will run.

The only person I could positively say right now that I'd vote for is Colin Powell.Im pretty sure that sites a joke. I dont htink id vote for Powell either...and i dont think he'll run anyway. I dont know who ill be voting for...probably just some libertarian...it doesnt really matter, im in CA, itll go to the dems no matter what.

[beer and loathing]

I dont know who ill be voting for...probably just some libertarian...

Same here - If I do vote it'll probably go that way. A few years back, I swore I'd never vote again.

[terrormachine]

Powell/Rice?

You're kidding me, right? Rice is a horrible SOS...nothing but a mouthpiece for the neocon agenda in the Middle East. I'd have more respect for Powell if he would've stood up more against Cheney/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz and the rest of the Bush I leftovers who wanted war in Iraq. Just because he was a decent military man doesn't mean he'll be a good president. Rice's expertise is Russia and is a little behind in that department (the Cold War is over). She might be of use in the future if Russia makes a comeback as a world superpower. I can't forgive thsi administration for its refusal to halt Israel in Lebanon. A thriving democracy in the Middle East and we let the zionist bomb it back 30 years. I personally hope no one from this administration ever runs for any office ever again.

[terrormachine]

Well, the decay of morals in our country is a direct cause of the general decay of our country. Morality CAN be legislated, and in fact is constantly legislated. Law and justice is nothing but the legislation of some morality. The only question is who's. The abortion issue is HUGE, because it relates to the sanctity of human life. If one's right to life is taken away, every other issue is kind of a mute point.

Morals can be governed better at the local level, not by the lobbyist and their lackeys in Washington DC. I can't say it enough...the NUMBER ONE responsibility of the federal government is to protect the borders of the United States of America and her states from attack/invasion by a foreign force, military or not. So....local governments can set rules for morals, etc in their own communities. I'm not talking about child porn and shit like that, but if a city wants to allow strip clubs and porn shops to set up business in their town, then they can set their rules has they see fit. Same thing if a community won't allow that behaviour.....

[weknowhowtolive]

You're kidding me, right? Rice is a horrible SOS...nothing but a mouthpiece for the neocon agenda in the Middle East. I'd have more respect for Powell if he would've stood up more against Cheney/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz and the rest of the Bush I leftovers who wanted war in Iraq. Just because he was a decent military man doesn't mean he'll be a good president. Rice's expertise is Russia and is a little behind in that department (the Cold War is over). She might be of use in the future if Russia makes a comeback as a world superpower. I can't forgive thsi administration for its refusal to halt Israel in Lebanon. A thriving democracy in the Middle East and we let the zionist bomb it back 30 years. I personally hope no one from this administration ever runs for any office ever again.Agreed :smile:

[Scotskin]

Ok, so lemme get this straight, weknowhowtolive, you back Lebanon? What made you take that stance? Just out of curiousity?

[weknowhowtolive]

Ok, so lemme get this straight, weknowhowtolive, you back Lebanon? What made you take that stance? Just out of curiousity?By not backing Israel, i must back Lebanon? Interesting.

[Blue Blood]

Morals can be governed better at the local level, not by the lobbyist and their lackeys in Washington DC. I can't say it enough...the NUMBER ONE responsibility of the federal government is to protect the borders of the United States of America and her states from attack/invasion by a foreign force, military or not. So....local governments can set rules for morals, etc in their own communities. I'm not talking about child porn and shit like that, but if a city wants to allow strip clubs and porn shops to set up business in their town, then they can set their rules has they see fit. Same thing if a community won't allow that behaviour.....
You must spread.......bla,bla..
Common sense..anyone paying attention?

[BleedForYourCause]

Morals can be governed better at the local level, not by the lobbyist and their lackeys in Washington DC. I can't say it enough...the NUMBER ONE responsibility of the federal government is to protect the borders of the United States of America and her states from attack/invasion by a foreign force, military or not. So....local governments can set rules for morals, etc in their own communities. I'm not talking about child porn and shit like that, but if a city wants to allow strip clubs and porn shops to set up business in their town, then they can set their rules has they see fit. Same thing if a community won't allow that behaviour.....

Agreed. But cases like Roe v. Wade usurp the state and local govt's ability to do that.

[Scotskin]

By not backing Israel, i must back Lebanon? Interesting.

Not necessarily....I'm asking if you are. I asked for clarification of the issue.

[weknowhowtolive]

Not necessarily....I'm asking if you are. I asked for clarification of the issue.No, im just not pro israel in any way.

[terrormachine]

Agreed. But cases like Roe v. Wade usurp the state and local govt's ability to do that.

Which is why judges should not be allowed to interpert law according to their own views. Abortion may be allowed under the constitution as per arguement, but that doesn't allow it to be legal. Why couldn't a state abolish it if their elected representatives see fit? I haven't studied this case much, but it is funny how "Roe" lied about how she got pregnant and now opposes abortion.

On a side note, the 16th Amendment needs to be repeled.

[Scotskin]

No, im just not pro israel in any way.

Ah, alright.

[BleedForYourCause]

Which is why judges should not be allowed to interpert law according to their own views. Abortion may be allowed under the constitution as per arguement, but that doesn't allow it to be legal. Why couldn't a state abolish it if their elected representatives see fit? I haven't studied this case much, but it is funny how "Roe" lied about how she got pregnant and now opposes abortion.


I agree completely.

[BleedForYourCause]

On a side note, the 16th Amendment needs to be repeled.


Yeah, that too.

[LeftWingScum]

I'd have more respect for Powell if he would've stood up more against Cheney/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz and the rest of the Bush I leftovers who wanted war in Iraq.

not that it really matters now, but he's gone on record that he regrets pretty much everything about the run up to war, and that it bothers him (to put it mildly) on a daily basis. he acknowledges the blood on his hands, and unlike the rest of them he does have a consciense, and that'll prevent him from ever entering politics again.